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I was just wondering about one of the suggested books in the book list:<br>
Positive Discipline and Positive Discipline A to Z.<br>
by Jane Nelsen, PhD<br><br>
I leafed through it over the weekend after seeing it on the list here but from what I could see it has statements in it that are not very AP nor did it seem very supportive of breastfeeding. I believe it mentioned early weaning to avoid spoiling although that may of been in the birth-three volume, not the general one. So, any other thoughts? I got the Sears Dicipline book, and would like another, but don't want to get this one if my hunch is correct and it is going to call into question things like co-sleeping and breastfeeding....but if that is not the case it seems helpful.<br><br>
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Can I get some feedback on this everyone? I'm needing to update the list, as mamas have sent me additions. Who originally endorsed it? (I'm too lazy to check right now. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> )
 

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It's been a while since I read the books but I thought they had an AP slant at the time. I recently read on a natural parenting site an article by Jane Nelsen about how to motivate your child and it was definitely non-coercive and looked at things more from the child's point of view.<br><br>
I haven't read the books recently but I am pretty sure they are gentle parenting, non punitive disciple books.
 

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I can't find my copy to double check but I'm pretty sure this book was anti-cosleeping and pro-cio. The rest of the book was pretty usefull, but I found the chapter on sleep pretty disturbing.
 

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From what I could see without reading the book I think the general dicipline especially in A-Z might be good, but it seems as though the author has some strong opinions that are fairly anti-AP which she expands on in the Positive Dicipline Birth to age three book (such as being against co-sleeping, saying babies can be spoiled by too much holding and suggesting weaning before one year) So if most of the anti- AP statements are in other books of hers I would understand your leaving her on the list but ask that you note her early childhood philiosophies so members can be informed of her overall beliefs. My natural inclination after seeing the recommendation was I'll get that and the birth to three one too-perfect! but then I was pretty taken aback as I flipped through....<br><br><br>
Here are some reviews I found on amazon.com from people that read the book:<br><br>
Disappointing outdated information, May 21, 2004<br>
Reviewer: reader73 from CA, USA<br>
I was really disappointed after reading this book. It is definitely not for parents who believe in attachment parenting. This book is anti attachment parenting! Author definitely doesn't believe in nursing past a year and not only advocates CIO but also suggests you go cold turkey because according to her your baby can't tell the difference between 5 minutes & 5 hours! Author if can't encourage extended nursing, shouldn't discourage it by giving ridiculous explanation like it can disrupt your babies sense of autonomy and misguide new mothers. Tons of research has been done on millions of benefits of nursing beyond one year, which were not even mentioned in the book. I don't recommend this book to anyone! This book does tell you not to yell, spank and use punitive methods. It does discourage schedule feeding. If you are reading other gentle discipline books, this book doesn't have much to offer.<br><br>
Nicole, A reviewer, August 19, 2003,<br>
If you are AP and/or plan to breastfeed for any length of time - stay away from this book.<br>
This book thinks babies should be weaned between 10 and 12 months (which is less than any medical organization recommends), and it has a story about a two-month-old baby who was spoiled by being held too often. This book was not what I thought it was going to be at all. I would suggest parents look to other sources.<br><br><br>
thanks for helping me on this<br>
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I don't remember the specifics now, but I was really put off by the tone of the book and its attitude toward children. They'd been highly recommended on MDC, but after the A-Z book I didn't bother to read another.
 

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IMO -<br><br>
The original Positive Discipline by Jane Nelsen (alone) was great and I don't recall any non-AP advice (copyright 1981, 1987 & 1986).<br><br>
Positive Discipline for Preschoolers by Jane Nelsen + others was good but a little murky on AP when it got to sleep issues. It specifically says that they do not argue with the philosophy of the family bed on pg 231.<br><br>
The Positive Discipline for the First 3 Years is horrid! Do not read. I read it and it went into the recycling bin....cannot feel good about donating it to the library.<br><br>
Positive Discipline for A-Z was at my library. I think it was mainly O.K. except for sleep stuff.<br><br>
IMO Jane Nelsen by herself is very AP friendly. However, when you add the other experts co-writing with her, you get some non-AP ideas being added.<br><br>
I read these books in February 2004 because the pre-school I was looking into follows PD methods.<br><br>
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I own the Positive Discipline A-Z book. I have it in my library just as a reassurance and a reference in case anything I'm doing is not working or I need some extra ideas. In general, I think it's a positive book that stresses respect for children and their feelings and ideas, while at the same time establishing boundaries and resolving conflicts using sometimes innovative ideas.<br><br>
I want to add that I absolutely do NOT agree with their section on sleep (bedtime problems). I doubt anyone with a family bed (as I) would agree with their Ferber philosophy. They literally mention Dr. Ferber and I think they're proponents of "Ferberizing". However, I don't even think, based on our family bed rituals, we (dh, ds and I) will ever need that section anyway.<br><br>
As with any book, I uphold the following motto:<br><br>
"Take the best, ignore the rest"<br><br>
So yes, I still haven't gotten rid of it. Then again, if I notice later on it has too many ideas that clash with my philosophies, we'll have to replace it. But leafing through the book and reading a couple of sections gave me a sense that in general it has much common sense, AP-style.<br><br>
Cheers!<br><br>
PS: I do agree with 97% of what Dr. Sears says in The Discipline Book, though -- that's the closest to me actually writing the book <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 
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