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OK I just got off the phone with someone from Vital Statistics and she informed me that I was to call them asap after the birth of the child and they will send a nurse to "check out" the baby and verfiy that the baby was birthed?? Not sure how they are going to decide that! They do not care if you have proof of pregnancy prenatal care or anything else. They MUST send someone to your house to do this you can not bring the child in. Is this true?? Has anyone else UC'ed in Florida??
 

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I'm also in FL and not sure of this myself- I found this handbook <a href="http://www.doh.state.fl.us/planning_eval/vital_statistics/Birth_Extract.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.doh.state.fl.us/planning_...th_Extract.pdf</a>, but haven't had the chance to read it yet. I have some friends who have UC'd in FL, I'll try to get in touch and ask them about it.
 

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I read the birth registration part of that and NO WHERE does it state that they have to come to your house and VERFIY that the child was born. Just that you have to register the birth within 5 days.
 

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After some more digging this is all that I can find<br><br>
382.013 Birth registration.--A certificate for each live birth that occurs in this state shall be filed within 5 days after such birth with the local registrar of the district in which the birth occurred and shall be registered by the local registrar if the certificate has been completed and filed in accordance with this chapter and adopted rules. The information regarding registered births shall be used for comparison with information in the state case registry, as defined in chapter 61.<br>
(c) If a birth occurs outside a facility and the delivery is not attended by one of the persons described in paragraph (b), the person in attendance, the mother, or the father shall report the birth to the registrar and provide proof of the facts of birth. The department may require such documents to be presented and such proof to be filed as it deems necessary and sufficient to establish the truth of the facts to be recorded by the certificate and may withhold registering the birth until its requirements are met<br><br>
Nothing really specific but i think I will get some proof of pregnancy and may go for a few visits as this is already seem to be a real PITA
 

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I've uced in fl thrice. They want you to report the birth within 5 days. I never have. I tried to with my first but they told me (this was the orange county vs office) that I had to have a doc or midwife check out my baby, I said never mind, no thank you and left.<br><br>
My #2 I went in (Osceola County) and registered the birth just shy of his first birthday. No problems.<br><br>
I've read through the statutes very carefully. Like I said, they "want" you to report the birth within 5 days, but your county's vs office registers the birth up to the baby's first birthday, after that you have to go through the state vs office and file a delayed birth certificate. This can get tricky as they tend to want more proof (insurance, dr. record, immunization, etc)<br><br>
I was never asked for proof of pregnancy and when I registered my second, they didn't really even care. They wanted me to fill out the paperwork and they wanted ID for me & dh (I think they may have wanted a marriage liscense, but I can't remember for sure. I know I took it in anyway)<br><br>
Good Luck! Where in FL are you?<br><br>
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We are in Lee county Cape Coral/Fort Myers area. The lady at the VS office was RUDE and she was extremely adament about a nurse coming to my house which I am not comfortable with. I am thinking of calling Tallhassee and seeing what the actual facts are. Thanks for your input make me tell a little better! Did you have an issue getting a SS card with no Birth Certificate??
 

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I strongly urge you to apply for a SS# by checking a box when you register a birth. SSA has gotten shockingly inflexible in the past two years when parent apply for a child's SSA# directly. We only got ours after five months WITH the intervention or our senator's office. As I'm a SAHM we had no daycare bill, our school records didn't count as "homeschools aren't real schools", our medical records didn't count as "chiropractors aren't real doctors", our immunization card from the health dept didn't count because the nurse who signed and dated it scrawled "vaccine free" where the shot type goes, baptism only counts if it's in a "real church", ARGH It just went on and on. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
At one point a SSA clerk bellowed into the waiting area that she couldn't accept my documentation because she had no proof my baby wasn't a TERRORIST. I never thought about blowing anything up until she was such an arrogant PITA. IMO stupid, inflexible policies only encourage upstanding citizens like myself to forge documents to get along in an obviously broken system. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hopmad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hopping mad"><br><br>
When this little one's born I'm definitely checking that little box when I register the birth. I've never heard of SSA rejecting a SS# application that comes directly from county clerk's office.<br><br>
BV, who's getting pissy just thinking about it
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I strongly urge you to apply for a SS# by checking a box when you register a birth. SSA has gotten shockingly inflexible in the past two years when parent apply for a child's SSA# directly. We only got ours after five months WITH the intervention or our senator's office. As I'm a SAHM we had no daycare bill, our school records didn't count as "homeschools aren't real schools", our medical records didn't count as "chiropractors aren't real doctors", our immunization card from the health dept didn't count because the nurse who signed and dated it scrawled "vaccine free" where the shot type goes, baptism only counts if it's in a "real church", ARGH It just went on and on. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
At one point a SSA clerk bellowed into the waiting area that she couldn't accept my documentation because she had no proof my baby wasn't a TERRORIST. I never thought about blowing anything up until she was such an arrogant PITA. IMO stupid, inflexible policies only encourage upstanding citizens like myself to forge documents to get along in an obviously broken system. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hopmad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hopping mad"><br><br>
When this little one's born I'm definitely checking that little box when I register the birth. I've never heard of SSA rejecting a SS# application that comes directly from county clerk's office.<br><br>
BV, who's getting pissy just thinking about it</div>
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This is another thing I am worried about as I am due in late November and tend to go overdue so I need to get the SS# ASAP for taxes. Geeze "they " sure make it hard to UC!
 

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none of my kids have ss#s. I agree with checking the box on the bc application. The lady at the vs office said not to, that it would be easier to go directly to the ss office. She was WRONG! I just don't have enough documentation for the ss office. They basically kicked my dh out. I went so far as to see a lawyer to no avail.<br><br>
Soooo, I applied for that gerber life insurance policy since it gives them a policy # at least, and I've considered doing the free kid care insurance, but I've never gone back. For me, I don't really care about the tax refund money so I've given up worrying about it.<br><br>
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I don't like being the bearer of bad news, but checking that box didn't help me out much for my last two births in the last couple of years. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> I am lucky that in my county it's pretty easy to get the birth certificate, & I checked the box for the SSI number. Then I never got mailed the SSI number!<br><br>
Upon further investigation I learned that since 911, their standards are more strict when it comes to issuing the SSI number. Checking the box works in a hospital birth, but I was told when UCing it is not enough. You have to apply in person/via the mail. And their standards are higher now too for what they can accept for proof.<br><br>
After multiple phone calls & conversations, I learned that they need two forms of ID from two different groups of categories. One form is the birth certificate, and the other form of ID has to be from a grouping of things like: daycare records, vaccine records, etc. All of which I did not have.<br><br>
The critical component of this category of proof is that it must have the child's name, their address, AND their date of birth. I was saved because I had an insurance card that had all three of those factors and I was able to use that for my second form of ID. And, I was able to get the SSI numbers for both babies born since 911.<br><br>
If I hadn't had any insurance, I would have been in trouble because I was not willing to have the babies seen by a doc and not willing to utilize any of societies common practices to get that SSI number.<br><br>
SSI number *can* be done with a UC...you just need the type of proof that they require from that second category. (in addition to the birth certificate).<br><br>
Now, I'm not saying 'don't check the box'. I think you should check the box! There is always the chance that the clerk will miss the fact that the birth occured outside the hospital, and was unattended.<br><br>
See, the way it works is that once you apply for the birth certificate (and check the box), your vital statistics office sends over groupings of recent birth certificates to the SSI office. It's very possible that the clerk would send yours over too because they may not be aware about the new regs over at SSI. And then if the SSI clerk also ignores or overlooks where the birth occurred (and whether there was an attendent or not), you may indeed get your SSI number.<br><br>
It's really not as complicated as I'm making it out to be. I think it's definitely worth checking that box, but if you don't receive the SSI number, this is why. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I don't like being the bearer of bad news... I learned that since 911, their standards are more strict when it comes to issuing the SSI number. Checking the box works in a hospital birth, but I was told when UCing it is not enough. You have to apply in person/via the mail. And their standards are higher now too for what they can accept for proof.</div>
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ARGH!!! I'm thinking about swinging by my senator's office when I take the kids to the library every Monday. I can say, "Hi, here's my name on my state issued driver's license and I'm pregnant. I just wanted you to know." Over time I could have my photo taken holding a newspaper with each staff member. I could show them the baby after (s)he's born. Then if I get ridiculous grief from SSA, the staffers will know my issue and, hopefully, resolve it sooner than five months.<br><br>
FWIW my last baby was born in December so five months didn't get us a SS# in time to file taxes. We did it as if he hadn't been born and then filed an amended return.<br><br>
BV, who'd be broke if her 6 kids didn't come with tax deductions
 

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all this talk about trouble with SS#s is making my head spin. I'm thinking I'll just skip trying to do the birth certificate myself AT ALL and pay the local UC-friendly MWs to pretend they attended.
 

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Me too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
Don't let it worry any of you!! SSI is a federal organization and their rules are clear. They accept exactly the forms of ID they say they will. You just have to provide it. The second form of ID just has to have the baby's name, birthdate, and address.
 

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I had a hard time with DD's SSN too. Luckily she had insurance but this baby will not.<br><br>
As for the birth certificate, keep calling or show up in person to get the correct info on what you will need.<br><br>
I'm in Pinellas county and had to call 4 times, each time getting very different answers as to what was possible to find out pre birth and what would be required. Yes, I was told they could not provide me any info before the baby was born!<br><br>
Finally I got the VS dept. to mail me the required affidavit sheets and an info sheet spelling out what we would need. It took 2 months to get the info.<br><br>
I suggesting getting proof of pregnancy just to CYA. It might be hard to get post birth.
 

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I don't *get* this proof of pregnancy stuff. From a newborn's very existence one can logically deduce a pregnancy had to be. How do they handle those cases the media is so fond of reporting about teenagers hiding their pregnancies and birthing alone in their home, school bathroom, motel, dorm room, etc.?<br><br>
If an office is unwilling to issue a b/c on proof of pregnancy grounds, I think they should be required to contact the police and open a criminal investigation. If the police or DA's office decide there's not enough evidence to prosecute, the bureaucrat should be legally obliged to immediately issue the b/c. Anything else seems needless harassment.<br><br>
BV, who's loving Michigan all the more
 
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