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I have a question for you wise mamas. Our 5YO DD2 has been displaying some behaviors that I wanted to run past you to see if it raised any red flags. She does not seem to have any issues, although DD1 has mild SID (auditory) that has been greatly helped with OT - such that she really has no symptoms whatsoever.<br><br>
DD2 has come off of a year in kinder that I think caused her some anxiety - quite a few "exuberant" children coupled with a teacher that was not very good at providing a safe environment for everyone else. About a month or so before school ended, she began this unusual behavior where she would literally "pose" her body while she thought about something or if she was in a group of kids - she also seems to do it when she's eating, especially if that is paired with a group of kids (think bday party). She also would breathe rapidly through her teeth - "hoohoohoohoo". Come to think of it, she also had a little behavior that we noticed from about age 3 or so until about a year ago where she would blink very rapidly while she was talking. We chalked it up to a cute 3YO mannerism.<br><br>
But this body posing is starting to interfere with day-to-day life. She will tilt her head, lift her arms up and flex her wrists and lift up one leg with her foot cocked as well. If she's standing, then she will hop at the same time. Usually there's some rapid breathing associated. Because of the situation at school, we wanted to give her some time to settle and re-organize to see if the behavior diminished or disappeared. It did for awhile, although it may have been related to a talk we had about it. She says it's a "habit" and she can't stop doing it. But it has worsened again over the past few days. It is truly truly unconscious behavior to begin with, then she comes out of it after a few seconds and sees us again and becomes conscious of doing it.<br><br>
I know that "to a hammer, everything looks like a nail" and that many of her behaviors could be classified in some way. In so many other ways, she seems perfectly fine - she has sweet friends, loves to go over to their houses and their parents want to keep her because she is such a joy, she's curious, very loving and gentle, good with both her sisters, seems to meet many of the "cognitive" milestones - counting, learning to read, colors, etc. I will say that she can be quite volatile - she likes things to be just so and is frustrated and frustrating when they don't go her way - and she is so easily distracted that you cannot do anything else with her when she is concentrating on something. If her sister is talking to her, forget it - the world does not exist. But how much of this is typical 5 YO stuff? I just don't know. But I'd really like to hear from you mamas about your impressions. I have called DD1's OT - but I'm not sure when I'll hear back or when we can get her eval'd.<br><br>
Thank you so much!
 

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These sound to me like behaviours she has invented to help her feel in control...which is basically what people with OCD do. I'm not saying she has OCD, just that it sounds like more than your average 5 yr old stuff.<br><br>
It sounds to me like it concerns you - and I always think it is smart to go with Mama's instinct. You are the one who knows her better than anyone else. I'd push for an eval if I were you. Early intervention is good.<br><br>
Blessings on you!<br>
Marilyn
 

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Thank you for your reply! We are waiting for our OT to get back into town - hopefully we'll get an eval as soon as next week. We have been brushing her three to four times a day, plus joint compression. Not sure if it's made much of a difference just yet, but I know it isn't hurting - she's been reminding us to do it, and choosing to be brushed before other activities when given the choice! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">sup I don't know much about OCD, so forgive me if I ask some naive questions.<br><br>
I assume OCD behaviors can be on a spectrum, so does this mean that events/situations can trigger these behaviors? Or does a person with OCD have the behaviors all the time? When she is alone with us, she tends to exhibit them when she is thinking - we are reading Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and every time we get to a part that she doesn't understand, I will explain and then she will pose while she thinks for a few seconds, then stop posing and make a statement that tells me she has absorbed and processed what I've said.<br><br>
I appreciate your comment that this seems above and beyond typical 5YO stuff - sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees!
 

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Usually there is a great deal of anxiety associated with OCD behaviors. The behavior is meant to neutralize the anxious thought. So classically a person has a thought "I might have germs on my hands" and so they do something (wash) to get them off. Then the OCD person thinks "what if the germs are still there" wash again and on and on. Or perhaps he has worked up a system where he has to wash 20 times while saying his alphabet and then his hands "feel" clean.<br><br>
So in your daughter's case if this is OCD she might have worked out this elaborate system of behaviors to neutralize a bad thought or feeling. I think it would be really hard to tell what is going on in her mind at that time. But if she's habitually doing that when she's concentrating or to block out noise or whatever or just enjoys it or it is stimming--that isn't OCD. So what is underlying the issue matters.<br><br>
What happens if you try to interrupt the process? Usually it's really anxiety producing to stop a person with OCD. Is her process exactly the same every time?
 

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Thank you! Things have been chaotic, so I haven't been able to get back here.<br><br>
Her behaviors don't seem to be black and white. She will posture while she is telling me a story, or thinking about something and trying to relay it to me. My husband said that she is posturing quite a lot on their camping trip, but prior to that she wasn't doing it here at home unless she was thinking, and even then she wasn't doing it every time.<br><br>
I talked to DD1s OT and she didn't think she could help us - she told us to talk to a pediatric neurologist. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> She wanted to know if it was anxiety related, and wanted us to check her heart rate while she was doing it. We'll see if that yields anything.<br><br>
I usually interrupt her posing by gently pressing on her arms and lowering them and quietly saying, "You don't need to do that anymore" and she just goes about her business as if nothing happened. It usually only lasts for a few seconds at most - so by the time I go to stop her, she's usually coming out of it. But I usually don't see any anxiety.<br><br>
I'm stumped!!
 

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Could it be tics? My dd has tics that have in the past included some weird arm motions, hopping, blinking, head-shaking, snorting, clearing her throat, an odd throaty noise I can't describe, breathing rhythmically/loudly, grunting. It can interfere with eating, talking, walking. The tics wax and wane, increase when she's doing things like watching tv or reading, increase when she's anxious or under stress, sometimes increase for no discernable reason or decrease for no discernable reason. She can't stop them (or rather, it's extremely hard for her to stop them), it's definitely involuntary. Her official dx is chronic motor tic disorder. She's had tics for nearly 5 years.<br><br>
It's actually very common for kids to have transient tics, that do go away after a few days, weeks or months.
 
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