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Is there a reason that I should not secure my son's 5-point booster (Britax Husky) with both LATCH and the seatbelt? He's 47 lbs., so I can't use LATCH by itself, but it would seem that I can get a really secure, snug fit if I use both.<br><br>
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They're not designed to be used together- one or the other. (though I believe that it still has to be tethered with the top tether- you just can't use the lower tethers with the seat belt- carseat techs. correct me if I'm wrong please.)<br><br>
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Car seats aren't tested using both, so ultimately, it would be like making your kid the crash dummy. I've heard that theoretically, using both could put too many points of stress on the seat in an accident and cause it to fail.<br><br>
With your son being that big, you should probably use the seat belt and the top tether. Most cars' LATCH systems only go to 40 lbs (I think) so you may not be able to use LATCH at all. And you have to tether at 50 lbs, so since he's so close, it's a good idea.<br><br>
The best thing to do is put your knee in the seat and tighten the belt as hard as you can. Or have a heavy adult sit in the seat, like I did, to get a super tight installation. Attach the tether and then try to pull the seat at the base. Ideally, it won't budge at all, but about and inch of side-to-side movement is ok.
 

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A car seat is designed to move some in an accident. If you use LATCH and the seatbelt, it will actually be installed too well, and it won't work like it's supposed to.
 

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There is a big debate going on about this stopic at the carseat forums.....the problem is that basically all car top tethers have a weight limit of 40-48 pounds. And yet the husky/regent MUST be top tethered adfter 50 pounds.......but you can't ......so it's a huge thing....<br>
britax says you must top tether after 50, the car manufacturers say most vehicles aren't okay top top tether after 40, 48, pounds.....so really, the husky/regent can NOT be properyl installed.....I don't have a link handy, but ive been reading and quite frnkaly, it has completely turned me off getting a regent......<br><br>
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Wow. I would love to hear more about this. I was under the impression that only the LOWER anchors weren't approved past 48lbs.<br><br>
Any other techs around?<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Wow. I would love to hear more about this. I was under the impression that only the LOWER anchors weren't approved past 48lbs.<br><br>
Any other techs around?<br><br>
-Angela</div>
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i'm not a tech, but i'm pretty sure you're right.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Wow. I would love to hear more about this. I was under the impression that only the LOWER anchors weren't approved past 48lbs.<br><br>
Any other techs around?<br><br>
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at the carseat forums, like, half the posters are techs, LOL!<br><br>
Anyway..apparently, the limit of the LATCH IS the limit for the top tether, the tether being a part of the LATCH system. (LATCH being "Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren") The lower anchor and top tether together make up the LATCH system. The limit for the lower anchors and the top tether is the SAME, and whatever the vehicles LATCH limit is. Am i explaining clearly, LOL??<br>
Therefore, it is around 40-48 pounds in most vehicles.<br>
SO....apparently, you as a parent have to make the decision to either ignore your cars limit for the top tether, OR ignore Britax's mandate that you use the top tether after 50 pounds. Most of the techs said they feel ok with using the top tether past the weight limit, because even IF it fails in an accident...it has already served it's purpose.<br><br>
to me, this sort of bites....
 

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I personally would use the tether (but not the lower anchors) after the weight limit has been reached. The seat belt is taking the brunt of the weight and the tether is supposed to prevent head excursion. Even if it's only approved to 48 lbs, I'd take my chance between tethering and it coming loose in a crash, then not giving it a chance at all. But that's just me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> Hopefully car seat manufacturers will wise up soon.<br><br>
Also, can cars be retrofitted with higher weight tethers?<br><br>
Funny, I read some posts debating that after I posted what I did and before you posted. The internet is a small world for car seat geeks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
The pp who said there should be some movement....I've heard that said before, but nowhere in any of my car seat manuals does it say that. It says "up to one inch of movement is fine", meaning that is the max allowed. Less than that is acceptable too. Most techs say a rock-hard install is best and I trust them to know the logistics of it. I think britax in particular is supposed to be best when it is "one with the car".
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">at the carseat forums, like, half the posters are techs, LOL!<br><br>
Anyway..apparently, the limit of the LATCH IS the limit for the top tether, the tether being a part of the LATCH system. (LATCH being "Lower Anchors and Tethers for CHildren") The lower anchor and top tether together make up the LATCH system. The limit for the lower anchors and the top tether is the SAME, and whatever the vehicles LATCH limit is. Am i explaining clearly, LOL??<br>
Therefore, it is around 40-48 pounds in most vehicles.<br>
SO....apparently, you as a parent have to make the decision to either ignore your cars limit for the top tether, OR ignore Britax's mandate that you use the top tether after 50 pounds. Most of the techs said they feel ok with using the top tether past the weight limit, because even IF it fails in an accident...it has already served it's purpose.<br><br>
to me, this sort of bites....</div>
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Hmmmmm.....interesting take. I don't know. I am not inclined to believe that both "systems" that make up LATCH, would have the same weight holding maximum. Lower anchors cannot be retrofitted. Top tethers can. So why if one is installed at the factory and a part (in most models) of the frame body of the vehicle (the lower anchors), would a part that can be retrofitted after the fact (the top tether (s) ) structurally hold the same weight? I am inclined to see the lower anchor part of the LATCH system as crash tested and pre and post crash load bearing. Consequently, I see the tether more as a pre-crash positioner/restrainer. I've heard a number of things about this topic and I think I shall find out for certain. I'll post back.<br><br><br>
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In my prpvince, you have to use the top tether for ff whether or not you use latch or a seatbelt.
 

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waiting to hear your take, Dallaschildren.......<br>
I'd love to get a regent..bu dh is so cheap.......we're "discussing it right now....
 

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Dallaschildren I have a sort-of related question...<br><br>
Do you think installing the regent with the long belt path so the shoulder belt goes over the front of one of the sides of the seat might offer a second line of defense should the top tether fail?<br><br>
I know there probably isn't any actual info on that, I just want to hear your opinion. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
I have my regent installed with the long path and the recline bar. We have no top tether at the moment but I feel the seat is very secure (it doesn't move at all!) and my DS is no where near 50 lbs so I'm not concerned at the moment since we plan on getting a different car before long. It seems like if I DID have a 50+ lb child and had to tether it, that the long belt path would provide extra protection. Thoughts?
 

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A top tether should be used at all times no matter the weight of the child, if they are ffing. IT just helps reduce head excusion and possible damage to the head and neck in case of a crash. If you don't have one in your car, go to the dealer and get one put in. I can get your part #s more than likely.<br><br>
The top tether and lower anchors do NOT have the same weight limit in all vehicles. There are several that have 60# top weights w/ 48# being the lower weight. I am going to be using my top tether no matter the weight of my child if he is in a 5pt harness (we are getting the Regent next year). I feel if it fails, it'll still offer some protection. That's just my opinion though.
 

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So, what I'm taking from this is that the Husky/Regent should be firmly installed prior to relying on the top tether. In other words, rock hard installation without the tether and then the tether on top of that, as opposed to installation as tight as you can get it, but perhaps not ideally tight, and then tether used to cinch it to ideal position. Is that correct?
 

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That should be what you do w/ any seat. It needs to be installed correctly and tightly and then the tether done. Seats that harness to 65# (so excluding the Regent) have to pass testing w/out the tether, so the tether is like a bonus.
 

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Don't shoot me because I'm ignorant...but are you all saying that a belt positioning booster seat should still be top tethered? I have all of my kids in seats...10 yo is in a belt positioning booster 'cuz he's such a short skinny little guy even at 10 (but I don't even think there is a place to have a tether attached to that one...it's JUST a BPB), 7 yo is in a seat that used to be a 5 point but now he wears the regular car belt because he's over the 40lb limit for the 5 point harness. Should I be using the top tether still on his seat? There isn't an anchor at his spot in our van...would my dealer be trusted to put one in correctly? Any ideas how much it costs to have that done?<br><br>
4yo is in same seat as 7yo, but still with the 5 point harness. I need to have him weighed at the doc because MIL scale is not accurate. He might very well be at the 40 lb limit as well. So I would remove the lower latches, and keep the top tether, and buckle him with the vehicle belt?<br><br>
9 month old outgrew the height limit (at 8 months! what a string bean!) on his baby bucket so we have recently put him rear facing in a convertible. Lower anchors only because the manual says not to top tether rear facing and there is no tether spot there anyway until we turn the seat around...which won't be for a loooong time. I at least learned that here at mdc!<br><br>
Thanks for the education everyone...I have learned a lot since joining here!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">A top tether should be used at all times no matter the weight of the child, if they are ffing. IT just helps reduce head excusion and possible damage to the head and neck in case of a crash. If you don't have one in your car, go to the dealer and get one put in. I can get your part #s more than likely.<br><br>
The top tether and lower anchors do NOT have the same weight limit in all vehicles. There are several that have 60# top weights w/ 48# being the lower weight. I am going to be using my top tether no matter the weight of my child if he is in a 5pt harness (we are getting the Regent next year). I feel if it fails, it'll still offer some protection. That's just my opinion though.</div>
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But at the carseat forums they were saying the TOTAL weight limit was 60 for some cars..but that includes the weight of the seat+ child.. SO, since the regent weighs 22 fricken pounds, in effect, the max weight of the CHILD is 48 pounds...?<br>
Make sense? Or do those techs not know what they are talking about?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The pp who said there should be some movement....I've heard that said before, but nowhere in any of my car seat manuals does it say that. It says "up to one inch of movement is fine", meaning that is the max allowed. Less than that is acceptable too. Most techs say a rock-hard install is best and I trust them to know the logistics of it. I think britax in particular is supposed to be best when it is "one with the car".</div>
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I didn't mean that you need to be able to move the car seat by yourself. I meant that it will move under certain crash conditions. You could never exert as much force on it as a bad crash would. The car seat is designed to move forward because the child's head will move forward (and then snap back) if there's enough force. If the seat moves with the child, the impact won't be as bad.
 

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For the bottom anchors, 48# is standard, w/ some being 40#. The upper anchors have a different weight in many vehicles. The Ford family of cars has a weight limit of 60-80# listed for them. They would not list a different weight for the top if it still only held 48#.
 
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