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Ok, I know this has been ranted about before, but I just got this lovely little pamphlet from the prenatal clinic about dietary guidelines and even just flipping through it is making me want to laugh and scream at the same time.<br><br>
You would not believe the amount of emphasis they put on the health value of margarine. There's a whole section entitled "soft fats are good fats". Margarine the wonder-food is apparently a wonderful source of all the "good fat" that my growing baby needs, and also a great source of vitamin D (D2 is the one they put in margarines). <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
Oh, and I should be guzzling the non-fat pasteurized milk too - at least 3 cups a day! Because we all know there are no other sources of calcium than milk products, and calcium is also the only mineral necessary for bone health, <b>and</b> it's best absorbed from denatured processed baby cow food (that baby cows die if they drink). <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
Then there's another handout (that is going straight in the recycle and that I only read for the entertainment value) about "food safety". This one actually made me more mad than amused. Apparently it's ok to drink up to a liter of cola per day (never mind the known effects of cola on blood sugar and digestion), but "herbal teas" (like nettles, perhaps?) should be avoided because "there is no knowledge of their effects". Um, hundreds of years of first-hand knowledge of midwives and mothers of the effects of herbs in pregnancy equals NO knowledge? Oh, right, of course, if it hasn't been observed by a white educated male in an institutional setting it doesn't count as real knowledge.<br><br>
And of course there was the standard bs about unpasteurized soft cheeses, liver, etc. Maybe what made me maddest was that beside each "dangerous" food it listed the risks of eating them in a way that made you think that just thinking about them will make you sick and kill your baby. Listeriosis, etc., and then: miscarriage, birth defects (this one beside the "avoid liver" section <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">) premature birth, etc. etc. Talk about scare tactics. But what made me maddest was the total non-inclusion of really bad crap, like fast food (from which it's also possible to get all kinds of nasty bacteria) and cola drinks, in the unsafe list. It's just so skewed.<br><br>
Of course I understand that these guidelines are designed with the average consumer in mind and are trying to protect mothers and babies from shady supplements and food that is generally produced to gain the maximum of profit and therefore is by definition at risk for unsafe processing practices, but it just comes across as very controlling and paranoid.<br><br>
It's also sad because it really drives home the reality that people are so removed from the production of their food, and from the knowledge of what <i>real food</i> even is, that they need this kind of guideline to keep them from eating something that's really harmful. Most people don't realize that raw milk from a commercial dairy is a completely different food from raw milk from a small organic dairy. Doctors don't acknowledge the difference between artificial vitamin A and naturally occurring vitamin A. Most people don't know that sea salt does not have the same effect on your body as refined table salt. Most people don't understand that so much of their food is *fake*. And that's not seen as something that needs to be remedied, it's seen as completely normal and good (because after all human ingenuity will always beat nature's own foods, etc. that have evolved over millions of years <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll">).<br><br>
Anyway, thanks for listening to my rant. It's really frustrating meeting this bs over and over again and I had to get it off my chest to someone who would understand!
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbsup"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/yeahthat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="yeah that"> Very well said!! Thanks for posting that!!
 

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rant, baby, rant. Right on!
 

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Ok, the "up to a liter of cola a day" does sound like some sort of compromise to soda-guzzling women "ok, ok, maybe you used to drink gallons of this stuff but try to limt yourself to a liter a day."<br><br>
But WTF is that with herbal teas? Why can't they list a few "beverage" teas that are safe, and then give a disclaimer "herbal teas can have medicinal effects so check with your HCP before consuming anything your'e not sure of."<br><br>
I remember being furious with the What To Expect book when I read it 15 years ago. They made it sound like camomile tea was the most toxic thing, effectively lumping ALL herbal teas into the "drug" category.<br><br>
Ursursactos- is this a clinic you intend to use for prenatal care, or did you just go there once for pregnancy confirmation? A place that's so "mainstream" with their dietary advice is likely to be just as "mainstream" with their medical advice, and are probably likely to push all kinds of prenatal tests and birth interventions. If you were planning to use them, I'd strongly suggest that you reconsider.
 

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Yay, I knew you ladies would understand! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><br><br>
Ruthla: I only wish I had options for prenatal care. In Finland everybody uses the public health clinic, and even the (very few and far between) homebirth midwives don't do prenatal care - you just go to the public prenatals and they come to the birth. The upside is that everyone gets cheap, decent prenatal care but the downside is that there are few to no options (if you have money you could use a private doctor but very few people do that). So I am stuck navigating this place for ultrasounds, blood tests, etc. They are pretty mainstream with their recommendations, but fortunately it's not as bad as in the US - they don't pressure you as much about getting tests (so far anyway) and they are generally more respectful of your individual autonomy. They just give you the official line and then it's your duty to follow it yourself. If you don't they can't make you, and they know it (another benefit of public healthcare is that they can't threaten to "fire" you if you don't abide by their protocol). Smiling and nodding seems to go a long way <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> I am definitely planning on making far fewer appointments than they want me to though. And I am not planning on giving birth in the hospital, though I'm not telling them that.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap"> rant, baby, rant!!<br><br>
I wonder if they just have boxes & boxes of these handouts to give out to scare the beejezus out of women.<br><br>
I received a similiar binder of information when pg with DS1 and I asked my dr. about sushi and she just looked at me, smiled and said - of course its ok to eat, just tell the chef you're pg! What do you think women in Japan do when they get pregnant - stop eating what they like?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Eat"><br><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/ROTFLMAO.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rotflmao">
 

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I saw you mentioned ultrasounds, and just wanted to mention, I had a homebirth w/ a fabulous midwife and she left the ultrasound option up to me. They are totally NOT necessary. We each need to decide what is best for us and our own babies, but I just wanted to mention that. Some folks think it's necessary and just part of good prenatal care, when it really is optional. (I had a very smooth pregnancy and didn't feel the need for one, in another situation I may have gotten one--but knowing I had options was really great for me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">)<br><br>
You are so right on w/ all of this. I totally just try to be grateful I've learned differently and that I can share w/ those willing to listen info about real, whole, traditional foods! (Instead of thinking about how awful and sad it is that many folks think they are making healthy choices when choosing low-fat, aspertame laden pseudo foods that don't even taste good!)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I saw you mentioned ultrasounds, and just wanted to mention, I had a homebirth w/ a fabulous midwife and she left the ultrasound option up to me. They are totally NOT necessary. We each need to decide what is best for us and our own babies, but I just wanted to mention that. Some folks think it's necessary and just part of good prenatal care, when it really is optional. (I had a very smooth pregnancy and didn't feel the need for one, in another situation I may have gotten one--but knowing I had options was really great for me. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">)</div>
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Thanks for sharing with me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> I totally get that (my mom had 4 homebirths and I'm planning on one and I am totally anti-intervention in normal pregnancies) and good for you for doing without them! And lucky you for finding such a cool midwife! I have vacillated for a long time about getting them or not but now I've decided to get two ultrasounds in this pregnancy if all goes well. The first because I have had early miscarriages and I just want to *see* that the pregnancy is viable for my own peace of mind, and also because my period is seriously irregular and I really am not sure when I conceived within a period of a month or so (though I have a hunch). I am also planning on doing the 20 week anatomy scan because I feel like it's a good thing for me this time around (though I know that if my pregnancy is normal anyway it doesn't statistically improve outcomes <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">).<br><br>
Oddly enough, though, considering the dietary recommendations, they are pretty laid back about ultrasounds here at least in theory. They offer two routine ones and emphasize that both are optional. Could be that they actually base some of their guidelines on quality research! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I totally just try to be grateful I've learned differently and that I can share w/ those willing to listen info about real, whole, traditional foods! (Instead of thinking about how awful and sad it is that many folks think they are making healthy choices when choosing low-fat, aspertame laden pseudo foods that don't even taste good!)</div>
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That is a great attitude to have, and I try to do the same! It's pretty easy when your kitchen is full of delicious healthy food all the time too! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Eat">
 

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Sounds like you've looked into this a great deal and are making the best decision for you and your lo. Had my pregnancy been any different, I may have gotten them as well. I'm just glad I realized they were *optional*. I had many folks (not health professionals) telling me I was endangering my babe by not having them (which was totally annoying...) I'm in the US, so that may make a difference!<br><br>
How awesome that your mom had homebirths! I bet you've grown up w/ a lot of awareness and knowledge of pregnancy and birth...(versus fear and anxiety over it all as some have!)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I had many folks (not health professionals) telling me I was endangering my babe by not having them (which was totally annoying...) I'm in the US, so that may make a difference!<br><br>
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Yes, people here tend to have the same attitude about ultrasounds despite the official healthcare line. And I do wonder if maybe they aren't quite as "optional" as they claim (like they'll pressure you to get them anyway).<br><br>
Yes I have grown up with a lot of awareness of pregnancy and birth, and it's great! Having a homebirth was never even a question for me. It's a shame there isn't more awareness in our culture as a whole.
 
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