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I'm fairly new to rawfeeding and just want to make sure that I'm doing it correctly. Miles is a 20 month old male Golden Retriever. Up until a month or so ago, I had been feeding him Nature's Variety Raw which is a frozen preground complete diet. However, it's soooo expensive to feed a 70lb dog this exclusively plus I wanted more of the dental benefits from feeding RMB's. So for the last 6 weeks or so I've been giving him chicken leg quarters and other chicken parts for his evening meal while giving him the Nature's Variety in the morning. He's been tolerating this very well. His stool is good, energy is high, teeth look great, and he barely sheds. I've also rotated through all of the flavors of the Nature's Variety except rabbit (so chicken, turkey, beef, and venison) and he's done very well. The other night I fed him oxtail which he wolfed down (apparently too fast as he started to choke and I had to do a doggy Heimlich - ehhhh, no fun...very scary). If I feed oxtail again, I will feed it whole...this was already pre-chopped <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/duck.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Duck">:<br><br>
I'm at the point that I'd like to move more away from the Nature's Variety, but I'm nervous that he won't get all the nutrients, Omega 3's, etc. that he needs. Also, I know it's probably not good to continue this 50:50 type thing. He's a very active dog. We take him jogging 3-4 times per week and we practice agility most days (and are starting to trial) along with trips to the lake and hikes in the woods, etc. So I definitely need him to have the best nutrition possible.<br><br>
Joanna - I've read your link on your website about 1000 times, but I'm still nervous <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> I'm the type of person that needs to see the actual meal plan for the week in front of me so I can feel comfortable (I saw that you did this for a Corgi puppy, but I'm still a little foggy about a large adult dog).<br><br>
I seem to read differing opinions on supplements and so kind of wanted a general concensus on what to use, if anything. Again, because he's an "athlete" I want to make extra sure that he's not deficient on anything that might be more important to his type of activities (ie. should I worry about glucosamine/chondroitin?). Is Missing Link a good one? Will I still need to give fish body oil and if so, do you do that daily or weekly or what?<br><br>
Sorry if this is so long and scattered.....I think I just need a little assistance and reassurance. Thanks!!<br><br>
Kristin
 

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I give salmon oil and Vit E.... that is it .... I just stock up and rotate food and they all seem to be doing well on the diet. I may give chicken leg quarters in the mornign and beef heart at night , or chicken leg quarters in the morning and Pork at night ... one meal a day is chicken just because it makes up the difference for the more expensive meat. I dont make it such a science though .. if it isnt simple i am not going to do it ... Every once and awhile if someone has a loose stool i will trough some probiotics in there ... oh and also 2 or 3 meals a week will have a peice of liver or some type of organ meat in it ...
 

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The Dane website has the diet for a Dane, so that may help (it'll have the same information otherwise; I just edited the amounts for the corgis). Basically you just want to get him in at about 2-3% of his ideal body weight, and adjust from there.<br><br>
The very best way to make sure that you are feeding something totally perfect is to feed raw prey animals (haretoday.com carries a bunch, from whole rabbit to whole ground goat). However, that gets pretty expensive. If you're putting a diet together yourself, it's really pretty easy to just remember to throw in some salmon oil, but I am the ultimate relaxed person and tend not to worry too much.<br><br>
You may want to investigate <a href="http://rawdogranch.com/;" target="_blank">http://rawdogranch.com/;</a> she'll put together a spreadsheet for you that customizes a Billinghurst-style raw diet with supplements.<br><br>
Also, I have on occasion mixed up a big batch of skin-and-coat-blaster, which is basically the Grow Hair on a Doorknob recipe (which is entirely compatible with a raw diet) plus a whole bunch of salmon oil and ground flax. You make it up and to the consistency of cookie dough and then keep it in the fridge and feed about a tablespoon a day.
 

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Also, I have on occasion mixed up a big batch of skin-and-coat-blaster, which is basically the Grow Hair on a Doorknob recipe (which is entirely compatible with a raw diet) plus a whole bunch of salmon oil and ground flax. You make it up and to the consistency of cookie dough and then keep it in the fridge and feed about a tablespoon a day.</div>
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do you have a recipe for this ??? or could you direct me to it ...i am interested in learning more about it ...
 

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1 lb. Peanut Butter<br><br>
1 lb. honey<br><br>
1 lb. Diaglo (powder) or Mirra-Coat<br><br>
1 pt. Lavitamin also known as Lixotinic or Pet Tinic<br><br>
I use all of the above (I use Mirra-Coat--it's a horse supplement), but I substitute for the Lixotinic because I can't get it here. I use a dog supplement designed for raw feeders--it's mostly dried liver and vitamins. Mix it all up, add a ton of salmon oil (a good cup or more), and about two cups of ground flax. It turns into a brownish dough. I keep it in the fridge in a ziploc bag and give each corgi a teaspoon or so; larger dogs would get a tablespoon.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">1 lb. Peanut Butter<br><br>
1 lb. honey<br><br>
1 lb. Diaglo (powder) or Mirra-Coat<br><br>
1 pt. Lavitamin also known as Lixotinic or Pet Tinic<br><br>
I use all of the above (I use Mirra-Coat--it's a horse supplement), but I substitute for the Lixotinic because I can't get it here. I use a dog supplement designed for raw feeders--it's mostly dried liver and vitamins. Mix it all up, add a ton of salmon oil (a good cup or more), and about two cups of ground flax. It turns into a brownish dough. I keep it in the fridge in a ziploc bag and give each corgi a teaspoon or so; larger dogs would get a tablespoon.</div>
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Mirra-Coat and Lavitamin also known as Lixotinic or Pet Tinic ... is this something i can get at say ... my locaL feed store?
 

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Ok so Salmon Oil every day or every few days? No Glucosamine? No multi vitamin type thing? I believe you guys, I'm just making sure <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Joanna - Is your Grow hair on a Doorknob recipe a substitute then for the fish oils? Thanks for the website link, I'll take a look and probably ask them to do a diet for me. This is a bit nervewracking for me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> Especially since our little choking episode a few days ago!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">1 lb. Peanut Butter<br><br>
1 lb. honey<br><br>
1 lb. Diaglo (powder) or Mirra-Coat<br><br>
1 pt. Lavitamin also known as Lixotinic or Pet Tinic<br><br>
I use all of the above (I use Mirra-Coat--it's a horse supplement), but I substitute for the Lixotinic because I can't get it here. I use a dog supplement designed for raw feeders--it's mostly dried liver and vitamins. Mix it all up, add a ton of salmon oil (a good cup or more), and about two cups of ground flax. It turns into a brownish dough. I keep it in the fridge in a ziploc bag and give each corgi a teaspoon or so; larger dogs would get a tablespoon.</div>
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What's the dog supplement you use to substitute for the Lixotinic?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Ok so Salmon Oil every day or every few days? No Glucosamine? No multi vitamin type thing? I believe you guys, I'm just making sure <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Joanna - Is your Grow hair on a Doorknob recipe a substitute then for the fish oils? Thanks for the website link, I'll take a look and probably ask them to do a diet for me. This is a bit nervewracking for me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/redface.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Embarrassment"> Especially since our little choking episode a few days ago!</div>
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i have never bought oxtail because it looked like a choking hazzard ... plus it is really expensive here ... Have you tried beef heart? My pups love it ...and it is not that gross ... sorda looks like a london broil with a little bit more blood ... not yucky like liver or anything ... and the ones i buy come prepackaged in 1-2 lb heart pieces ... so i dont have to mess with it until the feeding ...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i have never bought oxtail because it looked like a choking hazzard ... plus it is really expensive here ... Have you tried beef heart? My pups love it ...and it is not that gross ... sorda looks like a london broil with a little bit more blood ... not yucky like liver or anything ... and the ones i buy come prepackaged in 1-2 lb heart pieces ... so i dont have to mess with it until the feeding ...</div>
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Yeah, I was skeptical...I'll never make that mistake again. Like I said, I think if it were whole it would have been okay because Miles really does chew the bones up pretty good. I always stay with him though just in case and I'm soooo glad I was watching him that night. After I gave him the Heimlich he looked up at me and licked my face, gave a HUGE belch, and resumed trying to eat <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I of course took the remaining oxtail away and cut whatever meat I could off of the bones for him to eat and tossed the rest!<br><br>
I've given him dried pig heart before, but not the raw stuff. I honestly need to find a good butcher. I can get chicken and beef liver pretty easily, but haven't fed it yet. I'm getting there....baby steps <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
Does heart count as meat or organ??
 

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it is meat ... not organ ...<br><br>
also chicken livers are not nearly as gross as beef ... lol ... but with the beef livers i cut them up wile fozen because they are very rubbery and ewww .... I get my beef heart at the grocery store (WInn DIxie) for $0.99 a lb ... I order a case at a time which is between 15 and 20 lbs ... it last about 2 weeks or so ... with my pups <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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oh ok, thanks. i will look into getting some heart.<br><br>
one more question, if i'm feeding abx free chicken and grass-fed beef and stuff, do i have to be as diligent with the fish oil or will he get enough omega 3's from his food?
 

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If you're approximating a whole prey animal, he should be good on the omega 3's, but salmon oil is so good for dogs that I tend to feed it anyway. I give a pump or two a couple times a week, or if I'm feeding the grow coat stuff I just let that be the omega 3 source.<br><br>
I get Mirra-coat at my local feed store with the horse supplements. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the supplement I get to replace the Lixotinic--I get it by its picture. It's very similar to Missing Link.
 
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