Re: Farhenheit 9/11

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Shonahsmom

Discussion Starter · Jun 18, 2004

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This website is of a right wing organization that is aiming to prevent F9/11 from being seen (won't happen). They actually call it a "recruiting video for Al-Qaueda"

Repeatedly on their website and their press releases they claim the film is against the troops. I'm a little confused as to how they are so sure about the contents of this film since they haven't seen it, unless they were invited to the LA or NY premiere, but from the copious reviews I've read the film contains incredibly touching tributes to our troops.

I even read a very positive review on the FoxNews website (the whole world's gone topsy turvy).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122680,00.html

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It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that member of all political parties should see without fail.

Anyhow, the site has a page with e-mail links to all the major theatre chains. I'm just going to take a minute and shoot off e-mails thanking them for making this film available to me and to all of the people who want to see it.

Oh, here's the link:

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/MichaelMoore/

Scroll down for the e-mail links.

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TiredX2

· #2 · Jun 18, 2004

Thanks for the info.

Maybe the Faux info should be posted on the conservative support thread.

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tiffani

· #3 · Jun 18, 2004

It really bugs me when people call michael moore un-american. He obviously cares so much about his country that he's willing to go to a lot of trouble (and put himself in grave danger, IMO) to expose what's wrong with it and try to DO something about it!
This whole "whoever speaks out against the pres is unpatriotic" BS is what's most frightening about all of this.

sleeping queen

· #4 · Jun 18, 2004

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Opponents of filmmaker Michael Moore are making the most of an endorsement his Bush-bashing film "Fahrenheit 9/11" received from terrorists affiliated with Hezbollah.

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The Guardian of London reported today organizations related to the Middle East-based terrorist network have offered to help promote the film in the United Arab Emirates.

9/11

Moore uses emotions versus facts to make a point. Just look at the inaccuracies in Bowling for Columbine.

Joyce in the mts.

· #5 · Jun 18, 2004

The theaters carrying this are receiving so much love and praise from so many people for not knuckling under to pressure.

And either way, Moore wins because any publicity is good. That's hardcore business truth.

Joyce in the mts.

gethane

· #6 · Jun 18, 2004

Wonder how those same people fighting to keep this movie out of the theaters would have felt if there had been a concerted effort to keep The Passion out of theaters?

Freedom of speech. Don't these people believe in the constitution AT ALL? I mean, yeah I know they don't believe in the first part of the First Amendment, but I guess they don't buy into ANY part of the First Amendment? However, the Second Amendment, THAT one is just holy and sacrosanct?

What is so difficult about the concept of: If you don't like it, DON'T GO SEE IT! It isn't like their children can accidentally wander into a theater and accidentally see it!

Shonahsmom

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jun 18, 2004

A representative of Move America Forward was on Scarborough (

uke ) last night. He said that people who hate Bush will leave the movie still hating him and people that love him will leave still loving him, but its the "undecided" that he wants to prevent from seeing it.

Uhmmm...... can he hear the words he's saying outloud?

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Shonahsmom

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jun 18, 2004

Oops double posted

Towerkel

· #9 · Jun 18, 2004

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Originally Posted by Shonahsmom

Uhmmm...... can he hear the words he's saying outloud?

Can't hear through all the lies spewing from Shrub's administration.

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TiredX2

· #10 · Jun 18, 2004

Another case of "ignorance is bliss"?

librarymom

· #11 · Jun 19, 2004

Another case of "We want to make your choices for you".

chicagomom

· #12 · Jun 19, 2004

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Originally Posted by sleeping queen
Moore uses emotions versus facts to make a point.

Actually I believe that's Cheney.

steph

· #13 · Jun 19, 2004

Hey, I just saw that it's going to be playing at our local theater in a little over a week!

Even though dh and I have just this past week gone out for the first time in 3 years (woo-hoo!), I do expect it's a must-see!

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tiffani

· #14 · Jun 19, 2004

BTW, move america forward was started by a republican pr firm, not a grassroots organization.
Why are people so openly critical of this movie when they haven't seen it? From what I hear it's very pro-america and pro-troops, just very anti-bush admin.
and by the way, moore went after clinton too, he's a bi-partisan government watchdog, it's just that the bush admin needs so much watching...

5796

· #15 · Jun 21, 2004

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Moore uses emotions versus facts to make a point. Just look at the inaccuracies in Bowling for Columbine.

Ah, well, I guess those inaccuracies that are being lobbied about....now by by conservative organizations who have not seen the movie...well...they may want to reconsider soon enough....

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/20/mo...0e32f53ef4ea70

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Mr. Moore's previous films generated a cottage industry of conservative commentators eager to prove sloppiness and exaggeration in his films; a handful of mainstream critics have also found flaws. But if "Fahrenheit 9/11" attracts the audience Mr. Moore and his distributors are predicting, Mr. Moore may face an onslaught of fact-checking unlike anything he - or any other documentary filmmaker - has ever experienced. After all, White House officials and the Bush family began impugning the film even before any of them had seen it.

Of course we have already seen some of those who insist Moore is unpatriotic... for god's sake even Thomas Jefferson would get out of the grave and support Moore's right to speak out..

by the way, I equally applaud former president bush calling Moore a slimeball.. it is again, his RIGHT to do it....

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"Outrageously false," said Dan Bartlett, the White House communications director, last month when told about the film's assertion of a sinister connection between Mr. Bush and the family of Osama bin Laden. The former president George H. W. Bush was quoted in The New York Daily News calling Mr. Moore a "slime ball" and describing the documentary as "a vicious personal attack on our son."

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Mr. Moore is readying for a conservative counterattack, saying he has created a political-style "war room" to offer an instant response to any assault on the film's credibility. He has retained Chris Lehane, a Democratic Party strategist known as a master of the black art of "oppo," or opposition research, used to discredit detractors. He also hired outside fact-checkers, led by a former general counsel of The New Yorker and a veteran member of that magazine's legendary fact-checking team, to vet the film. And he is threatening to go one step further, saying he has consulted with lawyers who can bring defamation suits against anyone who maligns the film or damages his reputation.

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We have gone through every single word of this film - literally every word - and verified its accuracy," said Joanne Doroshow, a public interest lawyer and filmmaker who shared in a 1993 Oscar for documentaries and who joined the fact-checking effort last month. Ms. Doroshow is responsible for preparing what she calls a "fact-checking bible," with material ranging from newspaper and magazine articles to copies of the Federal Register, that will allow the film's lawyers and publicists to provide backup for its allegations.

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5796

· #16 · Jun 21, 2004

by the way....

some of you probably know that hackers are hacking into Moore's website every day, almost every hour...

I got an email from Moore which I believe MDC rules say I can't post...but basically the gist is...the concerted effort to shut downt he film by that fake group....as already indicated on MDC a Republican PR firm has formed a fake grassroots front group called "Move America Forward" to harass and intimidate theater owners into not showing
"Fahrenheit 9/11." These are the same people who successfully badgered CBS into canceling the Reagan mini-series a few months ago. And they are
spending a ton of money this week to threaten movie theaters who even think
about showing our movie.

and I thought this was interesting regarding Bill O'Reilly....

from Moore:
"PPS. Also, I am going to be on the "Late Show with David Letterman" on
Friday night. It's on CBS at 11:35 PM Eastern and Pacific. And on Monday
morning (June 21) I will be on "The Today Show" on NBC. Next week, Jon
Stewart and Conan. I'd go on O'Reilly but, like a coward, he walked out on a
screening we invited him to (with Al Franken just a few rows away!). I
personally caught him sneaking out. Embarrassed, he tried to change the
subject. He said, "When are you coming on my show?" and I said, "Turn around and watch the rest of the movie and I will come on your show." He walked out. Fair and balanced."

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mshollyk

· #17 · Jun 21, 2004

quotes that sleeping queen posted:

"Opponents of filmmaker Michael Moore are making the most of an endorsement his Bush-bashing film "Fahrenheit 9/11" received from terrorists affiliated with Hezbollah."

"The Guardian of London reported today organizations related to the Middle East-based terrorist network have offered to help promote the film in the United Arab Emirates."

you are aware, of course, that these same people were absolutely fawning over "The Passion" because they claimed it represents what the "Jews are really like." it was actively promoted in Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon, that i know of.

Jenne

· #18 · Jun 21, 2004

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" you are aware, of course, that these same people were absolutely fawning over "The Passion" because they claimed it represents what the "Jews are really like." it was actively promoted in Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon, that i know of. "

Hmm...I don't understand the purpose behind this statement...are you arguing that the fact that Hezbollah (who wants to due away with Jews and Israel) is an okay back of film projects because they liked "The Passion"...or that because "The Passion" was activley promoted in Egypt et. al. that actively promoting Fahrenheit 9/11 in the middle east is good? I'm just confused...

As for my stance on the movie...I won't go see it...DH probably will...if the movie can get people to play it great, I don't agree with trying to block it from being played but I do believe people/groups have a right to object (as well as be in favor of it)

I guess my fear, as with almost ALL movies which attempt to tell history, is that people will take it for real and true fact and not do further research. I have the same concerns about this movie I had about Pocahantas, Black Hawk Down, JFK, and Braveheart just to name a few... I'm not saying it isn't a documentary but just that editting and crafting can produce certain results (DH is a film director so I know WAY too much about all that...) which are not necessarily accurate. I just hope that people realize MM has an agenda and that the film serves that agenda.

Cool Breezes,

Jenne

Off Topic P.S.--advisory: this may cause some flames but please understand the question is asked out of curiousity and to see what people here think not as a snotty comment...

If MM so believes in a socialist government for the U.S. why hasn't he set aside enough money to live on and donated the rest of his money? Why doesn't he set the example and lead the way?

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Clara

· #19 · Jun 21, 2004

Hmmm...with all the fact checkers Michael Moore has in place to make sure that everything was AOK (mentioned above) you'd think that someone would respectfully give Ray Bradbury a call back regarding the title of the film:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5255897/

sleeping queen

· #20 · Jun 21, 2004

Since mm is known for distorting the truth to fit his own twisted perception of reality it will be fun to see the analysis of the movie.

Here is an example from one of his books.

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Michael Moore makes at least 17 factual errors or misrepresentations in his latest book, Dude, Where's My Country

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