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I know in the past I and others have made reference to Ina May being too involved in the sexual aspect of birth. I didn't have a direct reference though - this is from her "Guide to Childbirth" pp 42-43:<br><br>
"Ina May was sitting on the end of the bed, and she advised me to open my mouth enough to surround my husband's. It was at this point that I became more aroused than I had ever been in my life!"<br><br>
Whew!<br><br>
I was reading this other story where the Farm midwife suggested the woman squat to push. The mom said she didn't want too, that it would be to intense. The midwife and the woman's mother said that is the feeling she wanted, and she should go for it. Well the woman tore in front and back! I just thought - in a UC, she wouldn't have overrode her instincts like that...<br><br>
I heard rave reviews about this book, but I'm just not all that impressed with the birth story portion. Any body else have opinions on "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth"?
 

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I admit I only read about three of the birth stories. I skipped ahead and skimmed through the rest of the book. I got a few good things out of it, but I am just not all that interested in having tons of women around, especially naked ones, or ones telling me how/when/what to do in order to have an orgasmic birth.<br><br>
So, for my purposes, it was just an ok book.
 

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Funny! I just read "Ina May's Guide to Childbirth" on Sunday.<br><br>
Well, it's not my first choice! But I'd recommend it over WTEWYE, and I DID like it better than Spiritual Midwifery. I have a bias against Ina May right from the beginning since she's "anti-UC" and to that I say<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/moon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="moon"><br><br>
But I liked what she had to say with regards to the power the mind has over the physical process of labor and how early obstetrician (pre-1900's) realised and respected this much more than OBs and midwives today.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I have a bias against Ina May right from the beginning since she's "anti-UC" and to that I say<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/moon.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="moon"></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> That might be part of it. I was already a little wary of her to begin with, but I've read just about everything I can get my hands on, so I thought I'd give it a shot. I want to read MarilynMoran's book, but I haven't been able to get a hold of a copy yet.
 

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No, I haven't read that one, but I have plenty of opinions about Spiritual Midwifery. Pretty much everything Ina May (and some of the other midwives) did is inappropriate from a UC perspective.
 

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I'm not a UCer, but I have the same opinion of Ina May. I think she has done some great things for homebirth, but I would not want her as my midwife. She intervened in almost every single birth in that book.
 

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Another non-UC'er who is less than a fan of Ina May. As the pp said, she has done a lot of good for homebirth in general but she came across in that book as a huge control freak to me.<br><br>
I remember reading SM when pregnant with my first (while I was planning to UC - ended up going with a MW) and just cringing right and left. I found it <i>very</i> hard to read!!
 

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Spiritual Midwifery was my bible when preparing for my first home birth. For my UC, I felt I had surpassed my need for her 'wisdom'. I was always a little uncomfortable with the descriptions of her as the end all/be all of information and wisdom on birthing in her Farm community. I think she has much to offer but I also think she is a control freak who likes births to go 'her way'. She seems very insistent through MANY of the stories that women birth in the position she likes the best instead of listening to moms instincts.<br><br>
To her credit, she began doing this (giving women the choice to birth naturally) at a time when it <i>just wasn't done</i>. She was 'trained' by an OB and experience. I doubt little of it spoke to allowing the woman to do as she wished. I think she's mellowed somewhat over the years from what I have heard.<br><br>
I wouldn't invite her to my birth though! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">
 

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I'm not an Ina May fan. But, then, I don't like alot of the "popular" childbirth "people." (Like Henci Goer...I think she has some odd ideas too...)
 

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I don't think there <i><b>is</b></i> a UC perspective for the opinions in Ina May's books.
 

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It's so funny to see this post. I was just re-reading Spiritual Midwifery the other night and was pretty put off by just about every other sentance. Spriritual Midwifery (and much, much more so Ina May's Guide to Childbirth) really, really made me feel empowered and prepared for my first birth (a natural hospital birth as a single mom).<br><br>
I was talking to the doula who attended my first birth a few weeks ago and told her about our plans to UC and she was so unsupportive and full of "yeah, but if.... blah blah" and went on about the most recent birth she was at about how the mother had tried every position and she had suggested every position she knew, that she was getting exhausted, etc etc etc, and the midwife save the day. All I could think was that if the midwife (nor the doula) had been there, she wouldn't have any "professionals" to look to for the ultimate answer, she would've found it in herself. Anyway, that's totally OT, but YES- Ina May from a UC perspective is a pretty awful read! One thing specifically in Spiritual Midwifery that kept coming up was how the midwife was there to protect the life of both the mother and the baby.... 8*&(*&(*#&(*&@ ???<br><br>
ETA that the doula is a great friend of mine and in our most recent conversation was much more receptive to the idea of UC and is looking forward to reading into it and hearing about our birth.
 

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Yeah, another thing - she's raving about their stats, but then if a woman even has a hint of an elevated BP one day, she's sending them off to an OB or the hospital. I don't really think it is fair to quote such stats, and then risk out everyone who might have a hint of a problem.<br><br>
She brags that the Farm ladies have all these fast labors. Would she just have risked me out, because I have long pokey labors?
 

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I don't think there is *one* perspective - I was just looking for other UCers to share their own perspectives and how UC influences their interpretations.
 

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in that case I hadn't read it until after my UC, when I first began teaching childbirth. I heard so many homebirth-midwives recommending it that I decided to check it out.<br><br>
I think her perspective is that she knows whats best for birthing women, and sometimes seems to undermine their intuition; despite giving lip service to how important it is.
 

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I too found <i>Spiritual Midwifery</i> to be a wonderful resource and very motavational before my homebirth. But now that I've "learned" about UC and I know in my heart that is the right way for *me* to give birth, I am very put-off by anything by Ina May. I think she has done an excellant job of bringing midwifery and homebirth to the public attention, but she is too involved in the process. Every birth story (in her books) has some form of intervention or management by the midwives and that just goes against everything I beleive from a UCer perspective.
 

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I found the back half of Spiritual Midwifery to be useful, but the stories which highlighted their hands-on philosophy bugged me even when I was only pro-homebirth, not pro-UC.
 

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I started to read Spiritual Midwifery again the other night and stopped after one story. Birth is sexual for her it seems. I have yet to read one story in there that isn't Ina May initiating the sexual whatever. Kiss your husband, open mouth open puss, rubbing their "buttons" without asking about it first, directing any sexual activity as if it's a play. I have yet to read one story that the WOMAN birthing says she felt the urge to do such and such. IMO Ina May gets them all high and doped up and then procedes to direct the birth in a manner that SHE would want a birth to happen. I read the caption under one picture and the mom was saying her best friend who her and the father wanted there was kicked out by Ina May and at first was resistant but saw how Ina May needed him gone in order to establish the mood.<br><br>
She's way to pushy and overbearing and steals the woman's birthing experience IMO.
 

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I read Ina May during my second pregnancy, and it was like a lightbulb went off in my head about how your emotional state during birthing is just so important, and I do credit that reading somewhat for how powerful and relaxed I felt during that homebirth.<br><br>
However, I too felt pretty uncomfortable at the way she was always doing internals etc..I must read some of her stuff again, now I am completely in the 'freebirth' frame of mind...interesting, I think I will be doing a bit of wincing and gasping, and screwing up my nose!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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The midwife I had initially interviewed was trained at the Farm.<br><br>
That was a big turn off to me. I wanted as little intervention and as little company as possible. At the first meeting, I was flanked on three sides by women I didn't know, and a few screaming kids. One was trying to nurse one and one was trying to calm another and I was supposed to be listening??<br><br>
Then I was told that the three of them would show up, and probably bring their little ones with them.<br><br>
Later when I tried to communicate my concerns, I was told that she would have to have at least one other woman there in case something went wrong.<br><br>
And, also important, the price was too high for something that is still illegal in my state -- especially since she can't officially "Do" anything and if I needed transport, she hit the road and never came back.<br><br>
So, i decided to do a UC, and was met with very cold remarks and a sort of resentment.<br><br>
Oh well. I'm getting what I want, the way I know it is right.<br><br>
Off subject, maybe, but somewhat relevant.
 

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I first read <i>Spiritual Midwifery</i> when my 2nd child was around 2, I think. My first baby was born by emergency c-section and my second was a repeat section. The book was good for me then as I was transitioning to the HB frame of mind. I had never labored so I didn't know what she was taking from those mothers.<br><br>
Before I became pregnant with my third I found UC and I instantly connected with it. My third child was UP/UC, as was my fourth.<br><br>
I remember re-reading it when I was pregnant with my fourth baby. I had already had a UC and was planning my second and I was horrified at what I was reading. I feel that Ina May steals birth from mothers.
 
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