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I've done a little searching in this forum, and have not found anyone else with this exact kind of issue in their dd.<br><br>
My dd, who just turned 4 a month ago, AND who just stopped using diapers in the daytime, has dramatically changed her peeing habits. Right before transitioning into potty use and underpants, she would regularly go a couple of hours between pees, sometimes peeing more often in the morning or if she'd been drinking a lot. Now she can only hold it about 20 minutes. <i>Maybe</i> 30. She hasn't had any accidents since feeling confident on the potty, but she needs to sit and pee all the time.<br><br>
Her using the toilet so frequently is driving me totally crazy. She describes the feeling as "I have to pee", or "I really have to go!!!", even if she just peed and sat and waitied a bit to see if her bladder is really empty, 20 minutes ago. She is not itchy, nor does she have an unusual smell from her vagina, nor does she describe any pain upon peeing or trying to pee. She has not been drinking more. She has no other physical symptoms of anything. She is very sensitive physically, and I think what's happening is that she feels any urine build up at all, doesn't like the feeling, and must release it immediately.<br><br>
So. The hard part for me is that I cannot really take her anywhere without constantly visiting bathrooms. If we go to a store, we have to pee before leaving the house, pee when we get there (a 6 minute drive), and pee before we leave (15 minutes later). We can just make it to the next town where our friends live, which is a 28-minute drive. Telling her no seems unreasonable, since she truly does pee every time. Plus, the handwashing she does after each time is making her hands bleed from so much water use. I do put oil on it, but that's only making it better, not healing it totally since she washes her hands all the time.<br><br>
How do I help her hold it longer so we can travel to family's house in Chicago - a 6 hour drive???! We only need an hour.<br><br>
Any advice and insights are welcome.<br><br>
Kim
 

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I'd take her to the doctor just to be sure it isn't a bladder infection. I had one when prego and had no other symptoms, aside from frequent urination until I started having premature contractions.<br>
I'd also give her cranberry juice to drink and lots of water. JMO
 

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When ds was new to the "big boy potty" he had to go all the time and we visited every bathroom we could find, even when he just went. It was like he was infatuated with bathrooms. He finally grew out of it. He does seem to have to go a lot more when we are in the car though. He even has me pull over so he can tinkle even though we could be 10 minutes from the house and he went less than a half hour prior.
 

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I'd have her checked out just to be sure there wasn't a bladder infection or something. If there isn't anything then maybe you can start trying to stretch the times between potty visits out by a few minutes more each time.<br><br><br>
My dd has also has been washing her hands until they bled this winter. We tried lots of things but of course they got washed off again. I instructed her to use lotion immediately after drying her hands and put a pump bottle of lotion out just for her. We also switched to a moisturizing bar of soap instead of the liquid hand soap. I think that was less fun so the handwashing cut down a bit. Her hands seem a lot better now.
 

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Thanks for all the advice. I was thinking about infection since this kind of behavior was also something we'd see in our cat (when she was alive) before she'd get a bad UTI.<br><br>
So, we're treating her with homeopathy and herbs as if she has an infection, and moisturizing her hands like crazy. Frankly, I'm not <i>sure</i> she has an infection, but since I'm not 100% sure, and I'm not going to take her to the dr. unless she shows other, more serious, symptoms, this will do. My gut feeling is that something is certainly amiss, and I certainly don't want this to become an untreated bladder infection, which would be terrible.<br><br>
We're giving nux vomica for the frequent urination/irritability; echinacea/oregon grape root to help eliminate any infection; lots of water and no sugar for the rest. There is no way I will get her to drink tart juice, even diluted.<br><br>
Wish us luck.<br><br>
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When my best friend's girls toilet trained, they wanted to use the toilet wherever they went. I think they were just excited to be able to control it and get taken to the toilet on demand. My ds had been using a toilet to urinate for almost two years. Then, when he was almost four, he went through a peeing everywhere phase. Much of it was about control and some of it was to get a reaction.
 

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You can cut the tart cranberry juice with a tad of apple, it still works the same, just sweetens it just enough to make it tolerable...I have had to do that with my sd (just turned 6)...<br><br>
DD loves tart things so...LOL....
 

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my 4yo ds is doing the same thing! he goes like 20 x's a day! it totally drives me nuts, too.<br>
I thought he was just acting up (can't figure out why he would be, though) so maybe it is an infection of some kind...<br>
I'm so glad you posted, I'll have to try the cranberry juice and homeopathy, too
 

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I thought he was just acting up (can't figure out why he would be, though) so maybe it is an infection of some kind...<br>
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I remember when my grandson did that. The worst part was he always needed to go just before the Kindergarten bus came. Like when he saw it just down the road. He used to run behind the house and go because there was no way he could go inside and get done.<br><br>
Once we got a note from the teacher complaining that he is constantly going to the br. So dd flushed him out with lots of water and cranberry juice one evening, gave him hardly anything else...and to be truthful, I don't remember whether it worked <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> but he must have stopped this soon afterwards because the teacher never wrote again and he doesn't have the problem now.<br><br>
Of course he was 5 then and it 8 now. Just my $ 0.02 worth. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
To make a short story a bit longer, most things cure themselves. If there is no fever, you can be pretty sure there is no infection in the body.
 

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We've dealt with bladder infections with no other symptoms before too, so I'd rule that out first. When my older kids first trained, they had to check out every bathroom also, so it seemed like we were living in there. I think part of it's the novelty of it being so new, and some of it might just be having to learn a little control (she knows she has to go, so wants to go NOW instead of holding it just a bit).
 

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Just to be safe, it's worth taking her to the doctor to do a urine dip. She may just be really into the novelty of peeing in the potty/toilet. Another thing to try, though, is teaching her kegels. She may have weak bladder sphincter muscles.
 

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Well, she did have a bladder infection but I didn't need to take her to the doc to get it diagnosed. Her peeing became even more frequent, and I knew we had to act. So we ended up trying uva ursi, which is an herb specific for bladder and UT infections. I'm happy to say that two days and lots of viatmin C later, she is doing much better! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Thanks for everyone's advice. It was weird to know she had a bladder infection, but now that I've seen her symptoms, I've learned.
 

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Glad everything is figured out! I just wanted to add for others' benefit that allergies can show up as urinary frequency. My little brother used to have to go to the bathroom every 20 minutes if he ate cream of wheat for breakfast because it turned out he was allergic to wheat.
 
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