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Recognize any of these symptoms (long!)

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Sounds like an Autism Spectrum Disorder to me.
Are you personally thinking autism spectrum? That is what I see in what you said (my three year old is on the spectrum...pdd-nos; I see similarity in much of what you mentioned). If you want any links that helped me in sorting things out I'd be happy to provide them.
I would probably say somewhere on the autism spectrum due to the hand flapping, rigidity, language issues (especially the repetition and echolaia) and dificulty with peer interaction. Perhaps hyperlexia?
He sounds a lot like my ds with an autism spectrum disorder.
yes, we have been thinking about the autism spectrum - in particular, pdd-nos b/c i don't think that ds fits the asperger's category - alternatively, he could have a speech disorder - he's very social with certain adults - it's like he hasn't figured out that kids are just as much fun as adults! admittedly, ds has a few "quirks", although he doesn't hand flap incessantly - to me, his pronoun reversal is the most glaring of quirks because it can result in a lot of confusion when talking to someone (eg. approaching someone named "nick", ds will declare "i am nick"....confusing to someone who doesn't know about the pronoun reversal) - we don't really care too much about the label, we just want to figure out the best way to help ds with his speech issues and find the best learning style for him... i just wanted to hear about whether anyone recognized the traits and, if so, then what their experience has been, what progress in social skills development has been made, etc. i also want to know whether any children have made the leap from parallel play to interactive play with other children - ds has always taken his time to do things and i'm wondering if the social skills may come in time (based on someone's particular experience). i suppose that i'm looking for some encouragement. my dh and i have both said that we wouldn't change anything about ds (he's a great little guy) - we just worry about him when it comes to school (it would be nice for him to have a pal) and we obviously want him to sort out the pronouns!!
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My ds is almost a year older than yours. When he started preschool last year, he didn't interact with kids his own age. Now he will play with them a bit. He won't initiate it but he does reciprocate when he is sought out. He has been in a special day preschool class with kids just a bit younger and maybe 1/4 of them were on the spectrum. His speech was really bad and he wasn't really testable for them when evaluated so that is why he was in that class. It turned out being a great class for him. It gave him a ton of confidence and a place where the kids were at his level. My ds pronoun use became better after he turned 4 but he is in speech therapy and a speech intense class. I do think a lot of it is just natural progression. Some kids just do need a little more time. If you have no other real issues, I wouldn't worry.
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Well, he sounds a lot like my dd, too. She will be 5 in July. She is NOT diagnosed on the spectrum; it has been all but ruled out. However, her development and quirks have been somewhat parallel to spectrum kids in many areas. But, she has traits that counter the dx (very creative imaginative play, sense of humor, stuff like that) and is growing out of some of the more asd traits.

What she has going on is unknown, so I can't help you there. I'd love to have someone tell me that their kid was just like her and know how they turned out. She has had partial diagnosises of anxiety, some kind of processing disorder, possible sensory problems (which have become more apparent as her language has come in), receptive and expressive language delay (although her vocabulary is ahead of age group now). Basically, though, her development has been peculiar overall.

However, other than the disposition (she is not at all calm and tantrum could be her middle name) and hand flapping, everything else describes her last year or even now. She is just transitioning out of parallel play during the second half of this school year. She started with her younger brother and will occasionally play with another child her age with assistance. She benefits from speech therapy and lots of social exposure through school, camp, outings, playgroups.
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Thanks for the responses.

We are looking into a private speech therapist and are awaiting a spot in a public program (a developmental ped., speech therapist, child psych. and ot all work together to come up with diagnosis (if applicable) and program - the wait is 8 months to a year!!!!

I'd be lying if I said that I didn't worry about ds' mental health - That being said, we make an effort to let ds do everything in his own stride - we are trying to instill a sense of self-confidence (through support and encouragement) and hope that this will get him through any social hurdles that he will likely face in school.

Any ideas on what has worked re social skills would be great - We are trying our best to model social skills and simply expose him to a lot of kids - He is very observant, hopefully his observations will translate through one day!
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Could it be nonverbal learning disorder? This is easily identified through
testing, so they should find it when they test him.

My DD has this, and some of what you are describing sounds familiar. They are sometimes called "little professors" because of how they like to talk about things that are interesting to them, and they acquire and use advanced vocabulary.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents, something else to look into.
I was going to throw out NLD/NVLD (nonverbal learning disorder), too. I see shades of my dc in what you wrote.
The speech issues (echolalia and pronoun reversal) sound a lot like my DS. He's got some major speech delays and sensory issues, but has not been dx on the spectrum.

GL with getting him evaluated; I believe social issues are strongly related to speech delays so hopefully once they begin to work on one, the other will fall into place.
Thanks again for the replies.

I checked out the NLDA site - I definitely see some parallel traits in my ds - Who usually diagnoses NLDA, a speech pathologist?

In the event that is is NLD, what are some good things to do with ds to "help" him along socially or with coping with the world in general?
Sounds like Asperger's to me, and that is in the Autism Spectrum. It sounds like he is missing social ques, but is bright enough to know he's not connecting so is hanging back. He sounds very high functioning.

A. and C. do a lot of the same language things, repeating things and so on. A. was dx'd with Asperger's last year, and C. is on his way to the same dx, I think. He sees the Doctor about it in a couple of weeks.


Originally Posted by EJP View Post

I checked out the NLDA site - I definitely see some parallel traits in my ds - Who usually diagnoses NLDA, a speech pathologist?

In the event that is is NLD, what are some good things to do with ds to "help" him along socially or with coping with the world in general?
A competent neurospych and a clinical psychologist with nld experience, in our case.

As for social skills/coping--there is a lot of information at and . With these kiddos, remember to verbalize *everything* and break it down into small chunks of information. I have had some luck with the Model Me Kids dvd's and we also participate in a social skills class hosted by a local SLP practice. It's an daily adventure and we are learning new things each day...
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My ds, who's 4, does a few of the same things you described. The echolaic/repetitive language, hand flapping especially. We do not yet have any "formal" diagnosis, still waiting to see the dev. ped. in August. He does also have sensory issues, which I have been told by the OT that some of the flapping could possibly be related to sensory. She said he seems to "engaging, and attentive" to be on the autistic spectrum, because when she did her OT eval for fine motor delays, he apparently made enough eye contact to satisify her.

So, yes, I do recognize a few of those symptoms quite well.
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My guess would be Aspergers. He sounds very similar to my DD when she was that age. She was just recently dx'd with Aspergers and she will be 10 in a week. I would look into testing and read The Oasis Guide To Aspergers for suggestions on how to help him at home.
I hope I'm not stepping where I shouldn't, but I wanted to tell you that my DD talked JUST like your child for a long time, till she turned 3 and all of her disordered language just completely went away. I mean, completely gone, and it had been really bad. I used to be very worried about it because she sounded so autistic in her speech (albeit while speaking like a much older child in many ways). She also prefers adults to children--although she likes OLDER children--and used to hand-flap. We also suspect mild sensory issues, and she also was very precocious in learning letters, etc. This:

If someone refers to the "washroom", then ds will insist that they acknowledge that it is also called a "bathroom".
Is something she still does, a LOT.

She was evaluated at two and they said she was not ASD. I know one eval doesn't mean everything, but they were very clear that her social skills were not those of an ASD child. She's very social and outgoing with adults. She also is very imaginative and does tons of pretend play. Also, I used to worry about her apparent lack of emotional understanding, but it turned out that this just came later than average for her. She has it now, and I no longer worry.

I personally think she is a quirky, gifted child with some sensory issues--possibly in a very gray area at the very end of the spectrum. I also think that some children learn to speak that way, for whatever reason. And I *also* think that some kids just develop differently, for whatever reason. I don't mean to discourage you from seeking professional assistance, but I want to tell you that I think it's more complicated than it sometimes looks.

ETA: I think that *I* have a mild form of NVLD. Interesting. I don't think DD can have it, though, even though some of it sounds like her.
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Thanks again for the input. We constantly remind ourselves not to get too caught up in the diagnosis vortex. We just had a home visit and the evaluator thought that ds definitely could benefit from some speech therapy - esp. wrt his enunciation and mixed pronouns. She will refer us to a really good child development clinic in our city. I never noticed the enunciation issue but that's probably b/c I'm with ds all of the time.

I think ds is gifted with some quirks too. We will definitely focus on his strengths as we move forward.
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