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Hi all,<br>
I'm kinda depressed, not so great visit at the dr's, it was our first visit, a new pediatrician. Anyway, dd is 13 months old, and so far has only had polio vaccine, which I'm not sure was necessary, anyway, bc I told my Dr. we were not doing any vaxes today, I didn't even say indefinitely he had me sign a refusal to vaccinate form, essentialy excusing himself from any liability if dd should contract one of the diseases. The form said I understood that by not getting the shots, (I was putting my child at risk for contracting the disease, and other children through transmission. I feel like such an idiot for signing the paper. I mean, when I took the polio vaccine, I had to sign a paper absolving them from liability FROM the shot, now I am signing one absolving them from liability from NOT taking the shots!<br>
I am scared! I am scared of social services. We homeschool too, and I'm afraid he'll report us. I am scared my baby will get pertussis or measles or mumps ect. I am not so sure about this vax issue, and so far my indecision has meant we are not vaxing, but I am scared I will live to regret this decision.<br>
Has any one hear ever been asked to sign such a paper? It was put out by the American Academy of Pediatrics.<br>
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I was also told that by law, dd has to have a lead screening test done. How would I find out if this is true or not? I don't want to have her blood drawn if I don't have to. She's not at risk for lead. He said legally I have no choice.<br>
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Please continue to do your research. Try to find a Dr. who is friendly with unvax children. And about the 'law'. Sometimes its just policy or procedure. Get the info from your Dr.'s office in writing and follow up on it. The more info and the more you're able to communicate then the more comfortable your will feel with your decisions.<br><br>
Take a deep breath~~~~
 

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yup! my move to va forced us to find a new ped who would accept us not vaxing-and it was tough finding her. she told me on the phone she'd be okay with it & then when i got to her office for an appt, her asst gave me the form form the cdc (ew) and it was basically the same thing yours stated. i bluntly (but kindly) told her i refused to sign it due to the wording & i didn't believe i was putting my child at risk, so why would i sign a document that said i did?<br><br>
the asst told me to take it up with the dr, i did & she waived it for us. i've heard of many drs insisting on this form being signed, and there's no way in hel-lo i'd sign it, walk away from the office, get some "vaxable disease" and then wait for cps to come visit me (and i say this in all seriousness, we just got through a bout with pertusis & you should have seen the drs panicking!).<br><br>
find a new ped-and make that a huge factor in deciding who to go with. contact lll & any hfs in your area, they always know alternative health care providers-might be able to tell you over the phone, but if you go to a mtg or the hfs, i bet you leave with more info than you came with, kwim?<br><br>
good luck.
 

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I would find a new ped. Do not sign that form with a new ped. Bring your own. You can bring a form that says you decline because _______________ and you do not hold them liable. It covers them AND you are not signing lies. Thats my opinion anyways. I wouldnt sign a paper saying I am putting my child at risk. That is so tacky and untrue. Do vaxing parents sign a paper saying they putting their child at risk??? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
On the lead thing, I dont think it would hurt to get the lead check although I didnt. We live in a newer tract home development, no lead paint, etc etc etc, no old toys, etc etc......but I also dont go to the ped (I would if he NEEDED to go) so no one is hasseling me about it.
 

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thank you both . gee I wish I hadnt signed that stupid form, I feel like an idiot. I feel like it could be used against me, if like you said we do contract som vax-able illness. I'll keep looking for another ped, I did think this one would be ok with the non vaxing, and he did say he would continue to see us, that its not like he would tell us not to come back if we refused the vax. I just did not like his whole attitude. And he kept contradicting himself too, like with the hep, he agreed it isnt necessary till teenage years, but he still thought we should go with it now, and then he talked about how the vaxes wear off anyway, and you'll have to keep getting boosters. Anyway then he got irritated (when it was my turn to speak, lol!), and said "I dont have time for this!"
 

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Desiree, Normally I would say ok to st like a lead screen, but they want to draw blood for it, which I'm afraid is going to be horribly traumatic. I understand that babies who need surgery ect, go thru this all the time, but I don't want to put her thru it if she is not at risk, ya know what I mean? My older dd did it, and it was a finger prick if I remember correctly, I know I never let anyone draw her blood for it.<br>
I'm checking into that one with the Health Dept.<br>
Thanks for replying. Thats a good idea about bringing my own form.
 

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I asked a question here about the lead test a couple weeks ago. After calling around, I found someone who would do the finger prick, instead of pulling blood from the veins.<br><br>
My ds had quite a horrific ER experience with big needles and all of that junk last year, so there was no way I was going to make him go through it again.<br><br>
I like to think that most pediatrician offices can do the finger prick, you just have to be firm about it.
 

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Here's the thread from my questions about the lead test. Hope it helps. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=135481&highlight=Lead+tests+kids" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ead+tests+kids</a>
 

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thanks Alison, I'm going to go check out that thread.<br><br>
I'm back, ok, I'm convinced now. I just pray we get an experienced person who wont have any trouble doing this quickly.
 

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elizabethrose,<br><br>
Take a look at this other way to sign a document. I'm sure your ped would have not enjoyed if you brought in this document.<br>
it is an alternative form.<br><br><a href="http://www.vaclib.org/legal/refuselt.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vaclib.org/legal/refuselt.htm</a><br><br>
also any legal concerns?<br><br><a href="http://www.vaccineexemption.org/" target="_blank">http://www.vaccineexemption.org/</a><br><br>
good luck.
 

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You are afraid because you are not truely informed. There is nothing scary about measles, mumps and many other childhood diseases. Pertussis is a bit daunting, but very few children suffer consequences. And the pertussis vaccine is one that is the most controversial.<br><br>
Here are a few links. Get started researching. The more you learn the better your decisions will be.<br><br>
Should I vaccinate my child?<br><br><a href="http://www.healingwell.com/library/health/thompson2.asp" target="_blank">http://www.healingwell.com/library/health/thompson2.asp</a><br><br>
Immunization Time bomb by Dr. Mendelsohn<br><br><a href="http:/vaccines/mendelsohn.html" target="_blank">http://www.*********/vaccines/mendelsohn.html</a>
 

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I don't believe they can legally force any test on you or your child (without a court order that is). Unless you have reason to believe your child has come in contact with a high level of lead, I'd not do the test. Out of principle and the fact that children will have lasting memories of unpleasant experiences, I do with needles at a young age.<br><br>
Next time have them show you the "law" not policy or procedure. School physicals sometime require blood test, but you can get around those too.<br><br>
Best to you,
 

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The same thing happened to me. My ped gave a form to sign absolving him from anything if ds caught any of the diseases. My son is not vaccinated (he's almost 9 months old) and now I have even more doubts about the vax system. DH and I were going to wait until he's a year old, but I may wait a lot longer than that!
 
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