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responses to the "I turned out fine" argument?

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This came up yesterday at my house. I wasn't around for it and only heard about it this morning, but apparently breastfeeding came up and my brother's girlfriend mentioned the fact that she she feels skeptical about all the "Breast is Best" stuff, and is there any real evidence for it? I think at least three family members and a family friend educated her regarding the copious available evidence (major society of breastfeeders over here
). Her response was that her mother fed her formula, and she turned out fine.

I think my DH humorously responded that hey, maybe if she had been breastfed, she would have gone to (enter prestigious university here), and they left it at that.

I often hear this "I turned out fine" argument from people and honestly, it annoys the dickens out of me. It's a really ignorant thing to say, IMO, and often seems to signify an inability and unwillingness to consider other possibilities and to look at data instead of gut-level emotions. I can't argue whether or not somebody "turned out fine" and it feels like any rebuttal will have the effect of insulting who and what they turned out to be, you know? But I do believe it's a weak argument and that parents should desire more than "fine" for their kids and strive to provide what is best, not what is just ok. But as far as a counterargument, that's all I've got at the moment.

What is your response to "I turned out fine," and has it been effective?
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2 that I love to use:

1) Many of those who are "not fine" are not here to give testimony to that fact, especially the ones that are dead. Hence why anecdotal evidence isn't very useful.

2) My father has smoked for 40 years and doesn't have cancer. "Hes fine." Guess all that mumbojumbo about smoking being bad for you is just crap, eh?
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Someone at work says that, too. "I turned out fine and I wasn't bf." Well, actually, she's isn't fine. She has irritable bowel syndrome and there are a lot of things she can't eat. I've since told her that bfing protects against IBS b/c it coats the gut. How many people who say there are fine, actually really aren't? Allergies, asthma, IBS, eczema, (a lot of autoimmune disorders, in other words) and a whole host of other "everyday" ailments that people don't think bfing could possibly prevent so they don't link their ailment to having not been bf.

Laurel
My response to this depends on who I am speaking to. I typically use the "ff babies are 14 times more likely to be hospitalized with gastro-intestinal disorders at some point in their lives" and that "Over 8000 babies died in one year in the US alone as a direct result of withholding breastmilk." A friend of mine pointed out she was never hospitalized with gi issues, and I replied "Nope, not hospitalized. But didn't you spend over a year seeing a specialist and trying elimination diets because your gut was such a mess?" I also got to point out the immunity argument to that same friend: Breastmilk generally means fewer infections, at 2 yrs old this friend has a tonsillectomy due to a series of throat and ear infections...the surgery caused her to hemmorage and she nearly died. Then I asked her if it was worth risking her child's life. And she shut up.

The argument against "I turned out fine" really depends on how to relate it to the person your educating. But it's a tough one because it means trying to make them see that no, sorry, but you're not fine.
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I think if someone says "I turned out fine" to you, you have to say "I'm so glad you did. The studies I've read show there is a strong statistical likelihood that babies fed that way will develop illnesses at a higher rate than babies who nurse the normal way. I'm really glad you were one of the lucky ones."
I have said, "I turned out fine, too, but I want my children to turn out great. Why not give your children every single possible advantage instead of gambling on their health?"
There's a lot of things older generations used to do that we don't do now cos we know better. EG, using a carry cot on the back seat of the car instead of a carseat or (like my parents did) carry baby on the knee of mum/dad. I turned out fine, but I don't do that cos it's not safe.
Lead paint in toys, lots of us turned out fine despite this.
I like using the carseat comparision (gives me a chance to advocate for the proper use of carseats at the same time
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I just say, "Yes and my mother used to hold us on her lap when we drove in a car as babies and the backseat didn't have seatbelts at all... And I turned out fine. Is that any excuse not to use a carseat now? Would you risk your child's life or health? I doubt it very much, so how is this any different?"

I also like the saying, "You do the best with what you know. When you know better you do better."

I'm sorry but "fine" is NOT good enough for my child... I want him to have much more than that. If I have the choice and opportunities to offer him better than "fine" you'd better bet your butt I will!

LP
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i sometimes wonder how fine they all turned out...its like when you see those commercials for lawsuits on drugs that docs administered. "if you took so and so and you are dead or have cancer or whatever you could have a settlement". in the time frame of the existence of humans, we have only been using this stuff for a blink of the eye...you can't know for sure how fine you are....what we do know is that bfing has worked since the dawn of time.
there will never be a recall on bm, or a commercial that says: where you breastfed and blah blah blah? call so and so lawfirm, you may have settlement."
all the pp answers were really great too by the way!
"Well, obviously you didn't turn out fine, since you're an ignorant twit."

At least, that's what I want to say.
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"Well, obviously you didn't turn out fine, since you're an ignorant twit."
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My MIL tried "They turned out fine" card on me about her sons.

She was very quite after I mentioned all the health problems her sons have. Umm no her sons didn't turn out just fine.

She never mentioned it again.
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I have said, "I turned out fine, too, but I want my children to turn out great. Why not give your children every single possible advantage instead of gambling on their health?"
ditto
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I hate that arguement, but like previous posters said...our parents did LOTS of things with us that we now know are just insanely dangerous...but we turned out 'fine' doesn't make them okay.

My grandma is nearly 70 years old, has smoked more than a pack a day since she was 14 years old. She has never had a heart attack, she does not have lung cancer...she got a pace maker several years ago, but other than that she's 'fine' guess that means that smoking isn't dangerous?

A dozen anedcotal experiences don't discount years of medical research.

And like the previous posters said, I want better than "okay" or "fine" for my son. My son deserves better than all that.
My best friend and I have kids close in age. She has exclusively ff both of hers and I have ff/EBM (I had a lot of issues nursing her so I pumped as much as I could) my first and EBF my second kid. She says she doesn't see anything wrong with BFing and if you want to do it it's fine but it is not for her. Her elaborations on this haven't been very extensive but I get the feeling that she thinks it's gross and couldn't imagine having a baby attached to her all the time. I don't think she can get past the sexual aspect of boobs.

So she has said on several occasions that she doesn't believe that BM can make a kid smarter since, "DS wasn't breast-fed and he gets all A's and B's in his first grade class so I think it's bullsh*t."

Or my other favorite gem that she said one time about BM and immunity was, "I didn't bother BFing DS because my antibodies don't work, I was always sick when I was a kid, so what good are they going to do him?" (She was formula fed until she was 6 months old, was on cow's milk after that, and was in and out of the hospital for her whole childhood because of chronic strep throat/severe allergies/asthma)
: I fell off my chair at this one. This is the girl who has a masters in Health and Human Development.

Not to mention the fact that we lived with her and her family for the first year of my 1st dd's life. We shared a HUGE house because we were all going through a transitional phase (trying to save money to buy homes). Her son was in daycare and caught every. single. illness. that came his way. And in turn my infant daughter got sick with everything he had, and then my husband and I. Honestly, not a month went by where my family wasn't sick with whatever her little boy had. We moved out, and we didn't get colds or anything for 2 whole years.

I don't think she realizes how completely ignorant her POV on this is.
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Little Peanut, your sig line is by Maya Angelou.
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My standard answer is "personal anecdotes are not the same as evidence."
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My standard answer is "personal anecdotes are not the same as evidence."
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Oh, and I was FF... and I turned out fine... except for my NONSTOP COLIC until they put me on Isomil!

I read a reply to the "I turned out fine..." argument: "Most of the people who didn't turn out fine aren't here to tell us".

Also, no one says formula is poison or going to kill a baby. It's just not as good as breastmilk, and by using it you're taking a risk. Maybe nothing will happen, maybe the results are subtle enough that they're hard to see individually. But the risk is there. if you haven't got breastmilk, then this is an acceptable risk, because formula is better than nothing. But if you can BF, why take that chance?
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Little Peanut, your sig line is by Maya Angelou.

Thanks! I'll edit it


LP
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My 'flip' response is "Fine is fine. I'm shooting for spectactular!"
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