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I want this in the TF forum because I think it relates directly to nutrition and want to talk about it in terms of traditional foods, not necessarily WAPF or anything dogmatic, but definitely in the vein of nutrient density, fat-soluble vitamins in animal foods, etc.<br><br>
Okay, as a spin-off from a recent thread, I'm starting this one to talk about how to identify and work on reversing deficiencies that defy straight-forward diagnosis or obvious solutions. It appears a lot of us have experienced, personally or through our children, issues that could stem from either malabsorption or inherited deficiencies (i.e. intercepted heredity), which have not responded to any of the nutritional interventions we've tried yet and don't fit within the pat answers offered by many TF-oriented practitioners. Let's see if we can give each other some clues, and hopefully firefaery can chime in with her opinions and theories (as mentioned in this thread <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=976630" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=976630</a> ).<br><br>
The Reader's Digest version of my story is this:<br><br>
I and both of my children have had defective enamel on baby teeth, areas where it was either never there or so soft that it wore away shortly after the teeth erupted. I had a pretty decent diet as a kid by TF standards (whole foods, animal protein, cod liver oil, etc.), don't know about my mom's diet when pregnant with me but she was always into real food. My adult teeth have normal enamel, although a lot of fillings from when I ate poorly in my teens and early 20s.<br><br>
My oldest son had a lot of bad areas on his baby teeth, never had sugary or sticky foods, got brushed often, no juice or anything else in bottles, no other identified risk factors like antibiotics or fevers when I was pregnant, no high fluoride exposure (and his problem did not look like fluorosis), ended up with extensive dental work at the age of 4 because of pain and an abscess. I had eaten an organic, mostly whole-foods diet for years before being pregnant with him, and feel my diet during that pregnancy was pretty nutrient-dense even though I wasn't aware of many TF concepts yet (dairy wasn't raw, still ate some white-flour pasta, whole grains weren't usually soaked, didn't take CLO). After his teeth got so bad I started digging deeper and came across WAPF info, starting making changes like raw dairy, pastured meats, CLO, worked into the whole NT shebang except for eating liver regularly (which I detest). It didn't appear to slow the deterioration of his teeth, but we saw improvements in other areas for all of us. He's 9 now, and his adult teeth seem to have normal enamel.<br><br>
By the time I was pregnant with my second son, I'd been eating fully TF for 4 years (with the exception of the detested liver). I was hopeful that it would prevent the second baby from having tooth issues. No such luck. His are just as bad as his older brothers. He's almost 3 yrs., hasn't had dental work done yet, but I fear it's inevitable. They're bad, although he's had no pain from it yet. In addition to a good TF diet 95% of the time, he's had fluoride varnish from the dentist and teeth brushed with xylitol 3x per day. The teeth with the problem enamel just continue to rot away. It makes me want to cry. It's disheartening, to say the least. I've done everything right according to my current knowledge, to no avail.<br><br>
We've consulted with 3 different WAPF/TF-oriented doctors, all were very impressed with the quality of our diet and lifestyle and had little to offer in the way of remediation. One did suggest some homeopathic stuff, which I took while pregnant with #2, but mostly they said these things just happen sometimes and didn't have any further suggestions.<br><br>
Both of my kids seem to have good facial structure, relatively broad dental arches with no crowding of teeth apparent at this point, my oldest has an overbite but it's less than mine. My own face is somewhat oval in shape but I also have decent dental arches and very little tooth crowding, including 4 fully-erupted and functional wisdom teeth. We don't seem to have any bone strength problems, but there are a few other indications of bone abnormality or problems with mineral utilization in our personal and family history. My oldest has a slight 'pectus' dent in his chest, like someone indented the bottom of his sternum with a thumb, but it seems to be flattening out as he grows. I have an Osgood-Schlatters bump at the top of my right tibia and a similar one on my right scapula, neither of which cause me any problems except slight discomfort if pressed against a hard surface. My mother had a baby before me who died at birth (full term) because his bones weren't calcified.<br><br>
I don't know what else to look at. I think our digestion is good. My oldest son used to have somewhat infrequent stools and occasional tummy aches, and I used to have digestive pain of various sorts (when I ate more SAD), but that's past now. I know little about my family's nutritional history. I think intercepted heredity because of deficiencies can be passed down through the generations (because of the effect on reproductive cells and structures), but I don't know where to go from here to track things down or determine what's been missing either in the past or currently. It's too late for the two kids I have now, in terms of the quality of their baby teeth, but these problems indicate to me there's something wrong that could be doing damage I'm not aware of yet. I try to remember to be thankful we're all apparently very healthy except for this, but I can't be complacent about the problems we have experienced.
 

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I assume you are consuming bone broths. What about magnesium supplementation? What about heavy metal exposure?<br><br>
You sound more knowledgeable than I, and our story is very similar. I wasn't supplementing magnesium while pregnant, nor consuming rich food sources of mag. though. And I have a mouth full of amalgam. Plus, ds had chewable vit C, which is hard on enamel. And we didn't brush at bedtime, rather we brushed during the day. Bedtime brushing is more important, I've learned. (plus all the food intolerances, so you are ahead there too, it seems.)<br><br>
The other relevant variable for us, was stress during pregnancy and immediately after birth. I've learned, cortisol levels, and/or high protein diet could lead to heavy metal dumping in the breastmilk. And throw in sleep deprivation and nutrient deficiencies with food intolerances. Any of those relevant?<br><br>
To some extent, I think we worry about minutiae, when many parts of the world are worried about just feeding their children. I don't believe that anything is "perfect". And life is still fabulous, even with leaky guts or sub-optimal diets, imo. At some point, I believe that worrying is worse for our health than not worrying about every aspect of our diet. (and then I worry, when I find out I was doing the opposite of some new finding...)<br><br><br>
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I hope a super knowledgeable person will reply - and I'm sorry I'm not that person. One mama here said she achieved great results with remineralizing her kids' teeth by putting ConcenTrace in everything her family ate for many months. Later she also included butter oil and CLO, I think.<br><br>
Our story is this: my grandparents probably ate a reasonably nutritious diet in childhood, but I think they ate the SAD in adulthood. My parents probably always ate the SAD, although I remember we ate far less sugar during my childhood than my peers. We ate Pritikin/low fat for the most part.<br><br>
My teeth are pretty good, but my jaw has always been narrow and crowded. I had to get a bunch of baby teeth pulled to make room for adult teeth, and later had braces for years. Despite regular brushing (with fluoridated toothpaste), I ended up getting 5 cavities filled by the time I was a young adult. But no problems in the last 8 years.<br><br>
As an adult, I first ate low fat then switched to Atkins, then for a year we at a lot of beans and rice (we were very broke) and now have been on TF for a couple of years.<br><br>
DH has never had a tooth pulled (except wisdom teeth) and no cavities. Incidentally, his family used non-fluoridated toothpaste when he was growing up.<br><br>
Our son had problems with some of his teeth from the time they came in. One or two of his front teeth actually had a pit in the enamel. And it didn't help that he bonked his face on the edge of a coffee table and broke 4 of his top teeth in half when he was learning how to walk.<br><br>
Now at nearly 3yo he has obvious decay in those teeth. The mainstream dentist though they ought to be filled but the wholistic dentist said not to worry about it unless they cause him pain.<br><br>
The decay continues to dissolve his teeth, despite the fact that he doesn't get to eat anything sugary and usually not anything starchy like bread. We brush with a xylitol toothpaste 1x per day before bed (I should do it more, but I hate having to sit on him while he fights and screams). I also give him cheddar cheese as often as he'll eat it because that decreases decay, according to the dentists. And let him have sips of water with xylitol dissolved in it, also to cut down on decay. And we eat TF.<br><br>
I'm just hoping his adult teeth will come in early. Looking at those brownish, dissolving teeth gives me the heebie-jeebies. And I really hope our new baby won't have these problems. I ate lots of TF superfoods and excellent quality whole-foods supplements during my pregancy in hopes that the baby would have the nutrients and minerals she needed to develop strong tooth enamel.
 

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I'll try to give a short version of my story as well...We haven't seen any WAPF doctors or gotten any vitamin and mineral tests yet, but here are our problems:<br><br>
Me: I'm 31 and have not felt "well" since I was around seven years old. Around that time I developed allergies to pine pollen and then my environmental allergies snowballed from there. I don't have any obvious reactions to foods, but I don't pay as much attention to myself in that realm as I probably should. I suffer from severe fatigue and malaise. Some days it's difficult to even move around or interact with people. I feel as though I'm drowning inside my body, if that makes any sense. Those feelings have been better since I've been taking supplements for adrenal fatigue (ADR, Eskaloft, Deproloft, and Nightgain), but they are not completely gone and are worse on some days than others. My thyroid levels came back normal, but my doctor had tried me on 50mg of Armour thyroid just to see what happens. I have not noticed any difference from it.<br><br>
I have had bad blackheads on my face since being pregnant, and have always had dry, flaky skin that also felt oily and slightly leathery. My body doesn't seem to slough off old skin very well. I have dry, brittle hair and thin peely nails (except when I was pregnant, my nails were wonderful). I also had some enamel problems with baby teeth and had to get on of my permanent lower incisors patched as a seven year old because there was an enamel defect on it. A dentist once mentioned in passing that I had what sounded like similar spots on a few back molars. Fortunately, I have not had any decay. My jaw is a bit narrow, but not the worst I've seen. I had pretty wretched top teeth and my canines did not have enough room to descend until I had braces. Both my parents have less than stellar dental arches. My maternal grandfather had an undershot jaw, but that's about the extent of my familial dental knowledge.<br><br>
I have achy joints and the outsides of my big toes are numb. I have pinched nerves on my right side (occiputal, scapular, and sacral). I imagine that was a nutrient deficiency on my mother's/grandmother's part. Chiropractic helps these, but I can't maintain an adjustment for very long.<br><br>
I've had problems with depression and ADD since I was a preteen. I have social anxiety issues and had problems with binge drinking before I quit drinking.<br><br>
My 2 year old son:<br>
Many food sensitivities, including gluten, dairy, ginger, onion, garlic, cinnamon, cardamom, parsley, celery, peppers (probably), coconut, apples, and pears. We have not done any testing, this is all through diet.<br><br>
He does not sleep well and never has. He will sometimes nurse constantly all night, sometimes he'll go for two-three hours. Very rarely he'll sleep five or six hours at a time. Usually I'm woken every two hours or so, often more often than that.<br><br>
He is also easily upset and immediately resorts to screaming, hitting, or throwing things.<br><br>
I know that all of these things can be chalked up to his age to some extent, but it's too much to be just that. He's a very intense little boy and I'm beyond exhausted after two years of this. I feel that food allergies and healing our guts is a big part of solving our problems, but I can't help but feel that there is a piece missing and I have no idea how to find it. We've been eating TF for about 18 months and are currently on the GAPS diet. I take fermented cod liver oil, and was eating lots of sauerkraut and kombucha but we had to remove them for a bit while we started the new diet. I grew up eating lots of whole foods because we were poor, but there was still too much sugar and white flour. As a young adult, my eating habits occilated between SAD and slightly better than SAD. I've never been one for low fat, and I always tried to eat vegetables. I used to (and still fight) have a horrible sugar addiction that started in high school. I hope that we can work together and make some sense of all of this.<br><br>
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I am thinking we may be inheriting things we don't even know about. (I will try and make this coherent..my baby has not been sleeping well) For example, I inherited pyrolluria where your body flushes out B6 and zinc (hence the propensity towards mental illness in my family). I will have to supplement B6 and zinc the rest of my life. I need so much more than food could ever provide. So if pyroluria was never discovered I could be sitting here talking about how a TF diet did not really prevent/cure my depression with me but since I have this bit of info I really think it helps me stay out of there.<br><br>
So, there may be other genetic things like pyrolluria that we don't know about yet. Where even in a great diet, the particular circumstance may require much more than we can ingest through food. (and we all know about the soil depleation, toxins ect that is working against us as well)<br><br>
I also think some things could take generations to repair...so AJP maybe your grandchildren will not have the childhood decay issue.<br><br>
Some things I will never understand. My older half-sister was often malnorished growing up and still grew up to have beautifully straight teeth as an adult. I can think of a few other examples like this of people I know IRL.
 

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Wow, I'm glad you mentioned those things. Just since my second baby was born (in May) I've developed achy joints in my knees. And a couple weeks ago I suddenly got the numbness on the outside of the big toe (left foot). Never had that before and I'm in the dark about what causes it. It's just a pinched nerve, then? And what helps with achy joints?
 

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I can understand how frustrating it is. I think that this is a perfect time to start looking for other options. As we discussed in the "other" thread there is far more to look at than just nutrient consumption.<br><br>
My dd had terrible teeth. She had delayed dentition, when they erupted they did not have enamel and here palate is horrid. Now while I agree that the palate is an indicator of nutrition, it is mostly (IMO) a result of the ability of the tongue to draw it down. Dd had a few midline defects, one of which was a tongue tie. She couldn't physically draw down and spread her palate. So right there I know that in the first trimester she didn't get what she needed. That being the case it's no suprise that her teeth weren't lovely and perfect.<br><br>
Now the body chooses which egg to send out based on the current environment. It is going to choose the one that is most likely to thrive given the conditions. Then you have to look at the thrifty genome and the fact that you are programmed in utero to adapt to the environment your mother is experiencing. SO if the environment is toxic, is it better to be born with an ability to deal with that easily, or to be super sensitive so as to know to avoid it? I'm not sure I know for certain....but things tend to get amplified down the line if they aren't corrected. In theory the symptoms your child presents with will give you info about your own issues. So for many reasons it's important to look.<br><br>
So what is most interesting to me is to understand YOUR health history. Chronic infections, surgeries, illnesses, medications (OTC, prescription, recreational) etc. What do you know about how your body responds to the world?
 

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WuWei, yes, we use bone broths generously. I did supplement with food-based cal/mag during pregnancy (Standard Process), and always eat a lot of magnesium-rich foods. I don't think I had any notable stress during pregnancy. And I agree worry is sometimes counter-productive, it's good to keep the perspective that I'm privileged to have the luxury of paying attention to these things.<br><br>
I forgot to say that my husband has never had a cavity. He did have braces, but he says his teeth weren't really crooked before having them, his parents just wanted him to have totally perfect teeth. His dental arch is wide, and he has a round face. His wisdom teeth were removed before eruption, but he says it wasn't necessary (no indications they were going to be impacted, they just had a family dentist that thought all wisdom teeth should come out, like the family doctor who thought all tonsils should come out).<br><br>
I have never noticed any symptoms of food intolerance in any of us, except for possibly my first son's past problems with infrequent stools, and I was never able to connect that to any particular food. I think it had more to do with imbalanced gut flora. I think his digestion is in good shape now, and my youngest hasn't had any symptoms like that.<br><br>
Taedareth, I also hate seeing those brown, crumbling little teeth, and I guess I'm pretty sensitive to the reactions of people when they notice them. Sometimes people make polite inquiries, but more often than not, they're trying to get a good look without seeming to. I have a thing about people thinking it's my fault, like I never brush my kids' teeth or let them eat junk food all day long, and struggle with not feeling defensive about it.<br><br>
Newcastlemama, ITA that there are all kinds of possible inherited causes we don't know about, and that's frustrating. Why do my babies have to pay for generations of bad nutrition, bad information, and depletion of nutrients from the soil and food supply? I want to be able to fix it, and feel like all my effort so far has gotten us nowhere.
 

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One of the things that stuck with me from some discussion years ago is the idea that most people have typical needs for most nutrients, but an atypically high need for one or more. That seems to apply to us (me and my son, my husband and daughter are a bit more elusive) with regard to vitamin K, and I have to thank my bad health (mercury toxic from my fillings, as are both the kids) for stressing their bodies so much that things are becoming obvious—I think figuring out the kids will eventually be really helpful for a couple generations of our family.<br><br>
Many people in my mom’s family have a history of frequent nosebleeds in childhood including me--my grandmother’s were quite severe, and she is of the cod liver oil generation, though her memory is so bad now that I can’t ask if she was given CLO as a child. I never considered this particularly significant until I realized I had _caused_ nosebleeds in my son when I started supplementing him with cod liver oil, and then I read the Chris Masterjohn article on Price’s X-factor being vitamin K2. It shows the utilization of vitamin D being dependent on K2, and A being dependent on D, and I think that’s why his nosebleeds started after I started the CLO. And I think my mom’s osteopenia (osteoporosis before meds reversed it somewhat) is related.<br><br>
I need to give him seriously high amounts of a K2 supp (we use Thorne’s) in order to be able to give him normal/somewhat high amounts of HVCLO (which I think he needs because of how he gets sick in the fall/winter—but it’s October 12 and he’s not sick yet :-D). It’s more than we can get from food, truly, and on one level that’s disturbing—is this a permanent part of how his body works? Am I understanding this properly, or am I screwing something up?<br><br>
Have you considered something along these lines (not necessarily K2, but atypical nutrient needs)? Unfortunately, I don’t know how to systematically figure out something like this, I stumbled into it over time, and obviously I don’t know if we have other things yet to be discovered.<br><br>
ETA: I've wondered if things like this are more typical through generations of nutrient-un-dense eating (which sounds like more of an issue in my family than the OP's), and maybe my grandkids or great grandkids won't be susceptible to things like this as much, but I guess I can't know that one for a long, long time.
 

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Aside from my baby tooth issues mentioned above, I had frequent sore throats with enlarged tonsils from about the age of 8 until my mid-teens. I think a lot of it was emotional, because I <i>hated</i> school and it got me out of it, but I was still prone to it in my 20s, just not as frequent. I would often get an ugly cough after the sore throat, and probably had undiagnosed bronchitis a couple of times. I took antibiotics a few times as a teenager, mostly for strep throat but once for pleurisy. I haven't taken any since then, I'm 38 now. I haven't taken so much as an aspirin for over 10 years, no prescription meds since the abx as a teenager, no recreational drugs since early 20s (nothing serious then). I smoked occasional clove cigarettes for a few years late teens to early 20s. I took birth control pills for 10 years, was off for a full year before getting pregnant for the first time.<br><br>
My mom had cancer when I was a teen, she refused chemo for a while, took mega-doses of lots of different vitamins instead and encouraged me to take a lot, too, so I used to take a big ol' fat multi (synthetic) plus lots of E and C. I wish now that I'd (and she'd) known more about vitamins, complexes, synergy and food. Mom died when I was 17. She cooked whole foods from scratch a lot while I was growing up, but we were pretty poor so there was plenty of processed, cheap crap food, too. Since I really improved my diet, I rarely get sick, very occasional cold/cough, only a handful of flu-type episodes in the past 10 years, only one episode of gastro-intestinal illness, it's usually only after I've been a little too run-down with being a busy mom that I get something.<br><br>
I used to have a lot of mercury fillings, but never had symptoms of mercury toxicity that I know of. I had them all replaced with composite or porcelain after child #1 and before child #2, with a dentist who used the safety protocols to avoid exposure during removal of the old fillings. No symptoms afterwards. I've only had one new cavity in the past 10 years, in a wisdom tooth in a spot that's very difficult to clean with a toothbrush, all the old fillings were left over from my SAD days.<br><br>
No surgeries for me, no chronic infections aside from the sore throats in the past (which would happen every few months) and I've had low-grade acne since my teens (seems hormonally-linked now, and is much better when I get enough sleep and take nutritional yeast regularly). I'm not generally a sensitive type as far as obvious reactions to anything, I have no allergies. My weight is normal (5' 5 1/2", 135-140 lbs.). My digestion is good, I think. Usually the only time I experience any digestive discomfort now is if I eat out and it's something with too much refined salt and refined carbs, which often makes me feel bloated. I have an average of no more than 1 alcoholic drink per day (wine or beer with dinner). I often have coffee or tea in the morning and tea in the afternoon, no more than 2 cups total per day.<br><br>
I think my energy level is decent, if I maintain a regular sleeping and eating routine. If I don't get enough sleep or meals are too delayed, I'm cranky and tired. I sometimes have an afternoon crash in energy levels, but not always (maybe this would go away if I quit caffeine entirely, but I love tea too much). I do a fair amount of physical work with outside chores, feeding and caring for animals (horses, cows, chickens) which involves a lot of walking up and down hills, carrying hay, shoveling manure, etc. I get plenty of sunshine, live at about 39N latitude.<br><br>
That's all I can think of at the moment.<br><br>
ETA: D'oh! I forgot to mention that I've had episodes of irregular heartbeat since my teens. Sometimes it's years in between, and when it happens it only lasts for a few seconds, I can feel the rhythm change and speed up briefly, it compels me to take a deep breath, then it's gone. I have a slight heart murmur, too. I've also been prone to persistent phlegm in my throat at times (ick), much less now than in the past.
 

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Oh yeah, K2. Wasn't even on my radar until a couple of years ago. I supplemented with plant-extracted K1 in the last pregnancy, and ate a lot of K2-rich foods (sauerkraut, kefir, grassfed butter). It's something I need to learn more about, because it seems to be so integral to the whole vit. D/mineral utilization thing.
 

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What foods have K2?<br><br>
DH had frequent nosebleeds as a child, and now as an adult he still gets them a couple times a month. Would K2 in conjunction with CLO cure this?<br><br>
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Natto is one of the foods highest in K2, but I don't think I'd want to eat it. Bacterial fermentation creates K2 (and some gut bacteria), plus it's in grassfed dairy fat. There are others I don't remember right now.
 

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DH had frequent nosebleeds as a child, and now as an adult he still gets them a couple times a month. Would K2 in conjunction with CLO cure this?<br><br>
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Eggs (the yolks), cheese (both from the dairy and from the fermentation), fermented products, butter (highly dependent on cow's feed--I have to wonder if all the animal sources are highly variable depending on quality of feed), fish roe, some organ meats, I think (maybe kidney?).<br><br>
For us, it's a balancing act between CLO (and sunshine--extra sun exposure lately has also pushed us towards nosebleeds because it's the D) and K2 to avoid nosebleeds.
 

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They discussed K2 sources in the most recent issue of WT - their best sources in the Western diet: poultry liver, cheese, egg yolk and fatty meats.
 

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AJP-wow, I just read the original thread that this is spinning off of. I will read this thread with fascination because I, too, am interested in how we are influenced by the health history of our family (for me, it's years of women with metal problems, but each generation things get more severe and obvious--well, that's the part that I can see, not sure what else may be going on) and, to me most importantly, what can I do for my kids? Can I do anything to break this cycle, beyond the work I'm putting in now to get out the accumulated toxins? That seems like a first step (for us), but not that last.
 

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I come from generations of bad diets and have terrible teeth. As a child we ate junk food every meal. My mom didn't know how to cook, and thought you boil hamburgers!<br><br>
Now that I have changed my diet to TF, I have seen no new decay, just problems from old cavities as a child and teen. My DH has amazing teeth, and his family ate good old fashioned southern cooking. We have a dd that is 18 months. She eats really well, and has no cavities. But she has only has a few teethm ans they are weak looking. She was recenlty dionosed with leaky gut, and was told that her calcium absorbstion was poor, and would be until she was healed.<br><br>
Here I go again about my cousins... they live off the grid in the middle of no where, and grow everything they eat. They pop a new kid out every year (they are on # 9), and none of the kids have tooth decay. When I asked them their secret, they said raw goats milk, and loads of greens. They don't use bone broth, just when they make soups from meat with the bones on. They eat meat about 3x a week. I have been eating greens more now, and have been feeling better than ever. My dd even loves greens! They have to be steamed with raw butter on top, and a little celtic sea salt for her to eat them.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Wow, I'm glad you mentioned those things. Just since my second baby was born (in May) I've developed achy joints in my knees. And a couple weeks ago I suddenly got the numbness on the outside of the big toe (left foot). Never had that before and I'm in the dark about what causes it. It's just a pinched nerve, then? And what helps with achy joints?</div>
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Something that helped me a lot was following some suggestions in the <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Lose Your Mummy Tummy</span> book by Tupler. It is not just about your abs, but about everything that can get out of wack from motherhood including wrists, ankles ect. It shows how to properly carry your children, put them down ect so you keep your joints in the right place.
 

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I'd lke to continue the discussion of breastfed babies and bowel movements.<br><br>
My son's snapshot: he was a once a week pooper as an infant. Developed painful constipation as a toddler. More than five years later he STILL poops once a week and it is huge & painful. Ped's only suggestion was to put him on fiber (lactulose, miralax) and keep him on it forever. That's whacked, right?<br><br>
He's got to have some kind of gut issue going on. I'm about to cut out dairy. I worry about the nutrients he'll be missing, K2, A&D, the fat and calories. He's very very picky, eats practically nothing, has recently started hating all meat. He has a narrow facial structure. He had heavy metal exposure (we all do, ongoing, lead, we live in an old farmhouse). I was a vegan during his pregnancy. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Help? Ideas? How would i even begin to heal this kind of damage? My ped says to offer a balanced diet and keep him on the fiber supplement but that can't be helping. That's not a cure. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 
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