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After 2 miscarriages last year I saw an RE at the end of 2007. Turns out I was already 3.5 weeks pregnant at that point, so there wasn't much he could do but monitor me. (I'm doing well still by the way!)<br><br>
Anyway, one thing he did tell me was that although I did have, is it called titers?, for rubella, the number was so low that he didn't consider me immune. He said if I was not already pregnant he would recommend I get the shot, and that he recommended I get the shot very soon after having this baby, preferable at the hospital before I leave.<br><br>
So my question is...at 27 years old, is this something I should consider? I do worry about nursing a newborn and getting this shot, so I think I might want to wait at least a year or so to get it. I also don't know how often you come into contact with rubella, but I do know it's nasty when you're pregnant and has awful effects on the unborn baby, often killing it.<br><br>
So I guess I'm unsure of what to do. We don't know if we're done having children. Do I get it right after the baby is born? Get it when baby is a year old? Get it when baby is 2 years old? Will they give me only the rubella or are they going to give me an MMR? I guess I am leaning toward getting it, I just worry about the timing. I plan on delaying my next child's M, M, and R (making them seperate) so why would I get a rubella shot myself when the baby is only a few days old?<br><br>
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I would not get this shot after delivery. Especially not while nursing.<br><br>
The Rubella component of the MMR has a high correlation with the development of arthritic pain shortly after vaccination in adults. Not worth the risk IMO to be saddled with chronic pain just to be immune to rubella.<br><br>
Also there is no assurance that you will actually develop immunity either.<br><br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">In 1991, the Institute of Medicine concluded that there is compelling scientific evidence that the rubella vaccine portion of the MMR shot can cause acute arthritis, with the highest incidence occurring in adult women who receive rubella vaccine (up to 15 percent) and that some individuals go on to develop chronic arthritis. Because either no studies or too few scientific studies have ever been conducted to investigate rubella vaccine reactions, a determination could not be made as to whether rubella vaccine causes other serious health problems which have been reported following rubella vaccination including thrombocytopenia purpura, radiculoneuritis (spinal nerve pain) or other neuropathies such as carpal tunnel syndrome.</td>
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from this article: <a href="http://www.nvic.org/Diseases/mmr.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nvic.org/Diseases/mmr.htm</a>
 

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Ah, thank you for that info! Of course that is something my doctor did not mention, but they never do, do they? That's why I come here <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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You are aware of the problems to a fetus if the mother gets rubella. That's point #1.<br><br>
I found a study awhile back on the internet about women who had previously been vaccinated for rubella but did not have immunities. I think the study was out of a Scandinavian country. They found that the children whose mother received the rubella vaccine for this reason had higher incidences of autism. Possibly there is an auto-immune problem that is causing the mother to not build immunities and that the baby also has some genetic predisposition. I can't remember if the babies received the mmr or not. So, do not quote me on any of this study info. I tried to find it at a later date and could not. I'd recommend you trying to find this info yourself.
 

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I found these articles. I know a lot of people don't like *********, but that's the only place I remembered seeing them.<br><a href="http:/m/rubella.html" target="_blank">http://www.*********/m/rubella.html</a><br><a href="http:/m/butler2.html" target="_blank">http://www.*********/m/butler2.html</a>
 

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I would just take cod liver oil and avoid the shot.<br><br><a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/archive/index.php/t-293642.html" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions.../t-293642.html</a>
 

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Congratulations on your pregnancy.<br><br>
You can be glad you didn't get the vaccine before getting pregnant. A study from Switzerland showed four rubella embryo cases, in I think about 5 years. Two of the women were fully immune and two were not immune. So it seems there is no protection via the vaccine.<br><br>
You are 26 years old and have never had rubella? Then what are the chances you get rubella in those first three months? And if you do come in contact with a person who is infected with rubella, the chances of you getting infected are slim. And if you do get infected, the chances of your baby getting affected are even simmer....<br><br>
There were NEVER a lot of kids born with defects due to the mom having been exposed to rubella even when every young kid had rubella and the virus was circulating wildly. The most cases in one year was 60 something out of all the birth in one year. Although tragic for those 60, but it is not something that needed that type of attention.<br><br>
Besides, just because you don't show titres does not mean you are not immune. Titres are not 100% accurate.<br><br>
There is absolutely no way I would get the vaccine after delivering. Why they even recommend that is beyond me. You are nursing a brand new baby why would they want to inject you with a virus that can be passed from you to the newborn via breast milk? And why would they take a chance of you having an adverse reaction after just giving birth?<br><br><a href="http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/" target="_blank"><b>Vaccines good for the public or for private gain?</b></a> is certainly a justified question.<br><br>
My dd did not even get her titres checked before getting pregnant, this way there was no dilemma. I said "good" to her. She has two super healthy, vaccine free, intact sons.<br><br>
I wish you the very best. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug">
 

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I was also not immune to rubella. Got the shot after baby #1. Not immune again while expecting baby #2 a mere 3 years later. Got the shot again. 18 months later, surprise pregnancy with baby #3. Guess what? Not immune. I did not get the shot again.
 

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You should also watch out in the hospital. I have heard many times nurses just come in and jab you THEN tell you what it was. If you are really groggy from giving birth you might not notice what they are doing until it is too late.
 

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Thank you guys very much for the links and information! I really appreciate it. I think I'll go ahead and forget about it and not worry. And I'll read more about the cod liver oil!<br><br>
As for them sneaking it in the hospital, don't worry...my OB's office considers me immune, but my RE disagreed because my number was so low. So all my paperwork says "rubella immune."<br><br>
eta: Emmeline, I just checked that link and it doesn't say anything about the cod liver oil...could you give me another link or just give me the general idea so I can start searching the net for more info? Thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Thanks again everyone...I'll just pretend that my RE never said that and go along with the "immune" result that my OB decided on.
 

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I'm 33 and my doctor mentioned that I may want to get the Rubella vax due to no immunity. I had just had my son and was dead-set against it. I got pregnant, again, shortly afterwards and so I never go the shot. But, I won't get the shot. In my 33 years on this earth, if I haven't gotten the Rubella disease, my chance of getting it are pretty slim. Especially after one of my friend's little girls got rubella after her vaxes and I was babysitting her at the time (I wasn't pregnant, but my unvaxed duaghter also did not get it).<br><br>
Maybe I'm being foolish, but I just don't see the use of getting a vax. It's not a "for sure" thing and I'm just not interested in putting a bunch of toxins in my body just to find out that the vax was ineffective (just like when I got the measles vax when I was a child and STILL got a full blown case of the measles).
 

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eta: Emmeline, I just checked that link and it doesn't say anything about the cod liver oil...could you give me another link or just give me the general idea so I can start searching the net for more info? Thanks <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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That was just another rubella thread.<br><br>
Cod Liver Oil is a natural source of Vit A; Vit A is important in protecting against viruses:<br><br><a href="http:/m/butler2.html" target="_blank">http://www.*********/m/butler2.html</a><br><br>
Vitamin A and measles have been the subject of a few studies and the WHO recommends treating measles with it (though they do not differentiate between natural and artificial vit A; the latter can be toxic if too much is given).
 

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If you had your regular vaxes as a kid and now your titers say you don't have Rubella immunity, chances are getting the vax again won't make any difference. I've been down that road a couple times.<br><br>
Strangely, I tested as very well immune this last pregnancy with DS when I was NOT immune 3.5 years before when pg with DD. And I didn't have a booster in between. I actually wonder if I was exposed to it mildly sometime (when DD got her Rubella shot maybe? DD had it as a monovalent.) and maybe that boosted my body's natural immunity to it.<br><br>
Does anyone have a link for the study on non-responder mothers to rubella and autism?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Vitamin A and measles have been the subject of a few studies and the WHO recommends treating measles with it (though they do not differentiate between natural and artificial vit A; the latter can be toxic if too much is given).</div>
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Vitamin A is one of the fat soluble vitamins--A, D, E, K--all are toxic if given in too high of doses. Doesn't matter the source. If you get too much, you store it in your fat, and you can have toxicities.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Does anyone have a link for the study on non-responder mothers to rubella and autism?</div>
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Just found this (again):<br><br><a href="http://www.vaclib.org/email/autismom.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vaclib.org/email/autismom.htm</a>
 

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Thanks for the links Emmaline and Mybabysmama! Wow, definitely no rubella vaccine for me, how scary.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Vitamin A is one of the fat soluble vitamins--A, D, E, K--all are toxic if given in too high of doses. Doesn't matter the source. If you get <b>too much</b>, you store it in your fat, and you can have toxicities.</div>
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But too much from a natural source vs. a synthetic source varies widely.
 
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