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Im just sad. On my mainstream board there was a debate about carseats and who has their baby front facing already (the babies are 10 months there) and it got to the point that they started talking about other things. One of them is bottle propping. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I cant believe how many people bottle prop. It breaks my heart to think of a baby not being held while it eats, to have no comfort, to have a risk of choking!<br><br>
I ff my first two children (long story and I was stupid) however I NEVER propped a bottle, ever! I held all of the bottles every single time. In fact my son didnt once hold his own, so for 11 months I held him and held his bottle at every feed. My daughter was the same way, until 14 months. Why would you prop a bottle? Why is it that bfers can manage to hold their child for every feeding but bottle feeders cant? I simply dont understand! And most of these woman only have this one child! So they cant even use the excuse (even though I dont agree with this excuse) that another child needed them at that time so they had to prop.<br><br>
Im just sad. I know I shouldnt even read mainstream boards cause things like this upset me so much, but I have made a few good friends there, so its hard to stop posting you know?
 

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ya I know what you mean.<br><br>
Did you know they make products that prop the bottle for ya?<br><br><a href="http://bababib.com/" target="_blank">http://bababib.com/</a><br><br>
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That is really upsetting.<br><br>
It's really upsetting that they are turning their 10-mos. olds forward facing in the carseat already, too. There is nothing that gets to me more than the "it won't happen to me" mentality- especially when it's a helpless child that may pay for it.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Once, while my future BIL was bottle feeding my nephew who was going through a fussy week, he said "They oughta make something so the parent doesn't have to sit here and hold the bottle" I replied "They do. And there are a lot of parents that are against that!" and he didn't say anything after that, but sheeesh. I know he was just exhausted but someone took advantage of a parent's exhaustion and gave them a way out of parenting!!!<br>
Sure, there are days that I'd like to take off my breasts, put them on Adam and run away, but I can't believe someone would want to make it possible for me to do that!!!<br>
I just want to say Hooray for you, bottle feeding your two older ones and not propping! Usually when I think of bottle feeders, I think of bottle proppers (mainly because that's all I see!). I stopped pumping my breastmilk for my boyfriend to feed my daughter because I caught him bottle propping. SHEEESH!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">That is really upsetting.<br><br>
It's really upsetting that they are turning their 10-mos. olds forward facing in the carseat already, too. There is nothing that gets to me more than the "it won't happen to me" mentality- especially when it's a helpless child that may pay for it.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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yeah the carseat thing is dumb. They have to be at LEAST a year old before turning around. My DS will be 2 years or older before we turn him around, just to be safe.
 

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When I was pregnant with my second, I was at a preschool event for my 3 year old. Another mom of a preschooler, with a 3 month old son also, propped her baby's bottle while he sat in the carseat.<br><br>
I happened to look at the baby and was admiring how cute he was--I didn't even think about the bottle-propping, at that moment, and the mom said, "Oh, you'll do it too, when you're juggling two. It's amazing what you have to do to manage them."<br><br>
I just shrugged and made an expression like, "What? I wasn't thinking that," and she turned away. It was a friendly exchange, but it puzzled me.<br><br>
In retrospect, I see that she was extremely worried about what people would think, and she projected HER feelings by ASSUMING I was being judgmental. I wasn't--I was just admiring her baby!<br><br>
And I've never bottle propped. It's never once occurred to me, for whatever reason. Now that I know how much damage it can cause to the baby's ears, plus the choking hazard, I'd never do it anyway.
 

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oh that bababib is just disgusting! (at least it has "stylish designs" <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/grossedout.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="gross"> )
 

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Sarah, I saw that discussion and found it sad as well <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Not only b/c of the carseat discussion, but b/c of the propping as well. I hate that.<br><br>
I was touring daycares recently (decided to hire a nanny to come to me part time instead) and was amazed to see bottle propping in the infant room in the swing.<br><br>
This was at a center charging $1200 a month.
 

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I know! I saw those things made for babies to almost feed themselved! how sad!<br>
I used to go to other mainstream boards (babycenter to be exact) and some posts made me really upset, some things that are "normal" for other people that are not normal to me. So now I avoid sites that make me upset. That's why I love MDC so much!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Sure, there are days that I'd like to take off my breasts, put them on Adam and run away, but I can't believe someone would want to make it possible for me to do that!!!</div>
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:LOL I can just imagine my DH with my boobs on his chest and feeding DS.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I boob-prop, does that count, LOL<br><br><b>ohh I kill me sometimes</b></div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/oops.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="oops">T<br>
That reminds me of what my sister and I say to each other when a "joke" sounds funnier in your head then it does coming out of your mouth. Thanks for making me laugh. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Oh... and I think the bottle proping is just lazy and stupid. That <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/censored.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="censored"> pillow to hold the bottle is such a waste of money... *sigh* when will people learn.
 

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Well, I have to admit to not always holding my dd2 when feeding her in the early days of pumping. I didn't have my hands free bra, and was still trying to figure out how to pump with one hand, hold the baby, and feed her in the other hand, all without getting in the way of the horns (insert pumping smiley here). I sat on the floor with her in the bouncy seat next to me and leaned over her with the bottle, so she could still see me and I could see her while I pumped and fed her.<br><br>
But I don't think that's what you're talking about. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"><br><br>
No, I am unable to nurse dd2 (she has a cleft palate), but I am still pumping for her full time, and I never, never bottle prop! And now that I have it figured out, she is always held while she eats.<br><br>
It makes me so sad that people have invented so many products and industries to separate us from our babies, but I think the bottle propping is one of the worst examples of this. I mean, if the baby is so inconvenient to you, why have it in the first place?<br><br><br>
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Dd1 is almost 18mth and still doesn't know how to hold her bottle. I never taught(sp) her and I'm won't start showing her now. We are only at one bottle. Yay!! i hate seeing others babies with proped bottles.<br><br>
By the way, dd2 is bf.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I used to go to other mainstream boards (babycenter to be exact) and some posts made me really upset, some things that are "normal" for other people that are not normal to me. So now I avoid sites that make me upset. That's why I love MDC so much!</div>
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DF always asks why I even spend time on babycenter... I spend most of that time mad or sad at the ignorance of so many of the mothers there. I stick around for a small group of women, and hopefully to educate at least one woman. Their AP board is pretty nice and on my birth board we've started a breastfeeding challenge... the initial goal is 6 weeks, not nearly long enough for me, but if we can keep the support up, maybe some of the moms will do what's best for their babies. We've already had a couple ladies near quitting after about 3 days or so after their births, but for the most part things are looking positive <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> Some of the people there I just don't understand though... How sad that some of the garbage that is disucssed there is considered the norm...
 

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Ok, maybe it's the tandem nursing hormones flowing abundandtly but that picture made me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying">. The baby looks like he needs somewhere for his hands to go and his eyes look a little expectant and sad to me. He's all alone and I just hate it. Is there something wrong with me?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Ok, maybe it's the tandem nursing hormones flowing abundandtly but that picture made me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying">. The baby looks like he needs somewhere for his hands to go and his eyes look a little expectant and sad to me. He's all alone and I just hate it. Is there something wrong with me?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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No, it's not you there's something wrong with... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
Contraptions like that realy tick me off, but what really bugs me is that someone thought it would be a *great* idea! I read their story of how it came to be... they only had one baby and a home business (I believe). I'm sorry with TWO parents and ONE baby, you really should be able to find time to bond with and feed your baby! Ugh.
 

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OMG I looked at that picture, as I sit here nursing my baby, and just feel ill. That's disgusting! You know, I bottlefed my first two, after nursing for a bit, and I never propped a bottle. I just kept looking at that picture thinking "how does he breath?" "what if he starts gagging and the parents aren't in the room?" "what if that baby were a few months younger and couldn't even muster the strength to pull his head back?" I mean, that nipple is right in his face! He can't get away from it. UGH UGH UGH!
 

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To be used as a feeding aid only. Infant should be in a slightly upright position. Gently place the Bababib™ around infants neck, secure bottle under elastic band and... bon appetit!</td>
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Ummm <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"> There's a picutre just above on this page w/ a "mom" smiling off to the side while her baby is in a stroller. Obviously they are stopped and not strolling anymore so why isn't she holding the baby?<br><br>
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Specially designed to allow your baby to hold a bottle<br>
Hypo-allergenic<br>
100% cotton<br>
Body contouring<br>
Makes it possible to feed twins at the same time<br>
Machine washable<br>
Lightweight<br>
Easy travel<br>
Stylish designs<br>
Keeps the bottle nipple full to prevent gas<br>
Comforting to the baby at feeding time while keeping them warm and cozy</td>
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Wow, I didn't know that you needed something to feed twins! Maybe I should tell the mom I met on the playground the other day who is bf her 11 mos old twins who told me that she just found it easier than doing a bottle for them! And thank god my child will be stylish but who will see his beautiful face w/ all that bulk! And, I love how comforting it is...LOL my thought, how comforting and warm and cozy is a freaking pillow! Dyson, loves curling up around me and nursing and being held. He'd throw fit if I but a bottle choker around him.<br><br>
Have you all seen this? This was posted on ivillage mainstream board and I about died...btw, milk is coming in just thinking of those sad babies <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br><a href="http://www.bonnybabies.com/feedinghf.htm" target="_blank">http://www.bonnybabies.com/feedinghf.htm</a> (the one the board sent us to)<br><br>
googled self feeding bottles and found this<br><a href="http://www.pacifeeder.com/" target="_blank">http://www.pacifeeder.com/</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Ok, maybe it's the tandem nursing hormones flowing abundandtly but that picture made me <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying">. The baby looks like he needs somewhere for his hands to go and his eyes look a little expectant and sad to me. He's all alone and I just hate it. Is there something wrong with me?<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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no that baby does look sad<br><br>
I was at walmart one day and there was a baby, in its carseat in the bottom of the shopping cart sucking on a bottle that his dad was holding, while standing up talking to people and the baby was looking at the bottle with those "lovey" eyes like a baby should look at their mother while nursing, and it was sad to see that baby "loving" the bottle while the parents stood around and talked.
 
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