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HB- you know a heck of a lot more about SA than I do, so could you please expand on that one??? I'm no fan of the Israeli gov't approach to Palestine, but Mossad setting up a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia?? I could see how they sneaked into New Zealand (& got caught)-- look, if the Kiwis can catch them (no offense to Momtezuma, of course
).... that speaks volumes about Mossad's competency, IMO. Not that the Kiwis are daft-- just laid-back....

Or are you just playing the devils advocate & confusing me?


oh, & totally OT- sorry to hear about the pneumonia! Hope you're recovering quickly....
 

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Originally Posted by aussiemum
You are not expanding enough. I want to know what you really think. Seriously. But I have to go water the seedlings now, so you've got a few moments to consider....

Far be it from me to speak on behalf of HB, but he was definitely being sarcastic. Unfortunately, many Arab governments simply will not admit that terrorism in their countries is perpetrated by their own citizens who are unhappy with the status quo. The usual scapegoat is the Zionists (in its more sophisticated form) or the Jews (in its less sophisticated form) or sometimes "American agents" (which is double speak for the Zionists/Jews.)

In fact, they will go to outrageous and ridiculous lengths to try to support these specious arguments. For example, when I lived in Egypt several years ago, there was a horrible attack on a group of Greek (IIRC) tourists out near the pyramids. The semi-official line, espoused by commentators on TV and in newspaper editorials and quickly adopted by people in the street, was that Zionist agents--i.e., the Mossad--had used scuba gear to enter Egypt and had attacked the tourists to make Egypt look bad and to hurt the Egyptian economy.

Yeah, that could be it. Or it could be that one of the many Islamically-oriented rebel groups, who were engaged in what amounted to a civil war against the government in some parts of the country, had attacked the tourists to hurt the Egyptian tourist trade, which is a vital part of the economy, in order to undermine the government and increase support for the opposition movement among the general population.

Nah, that couldn't be it. It was definitely those wacky Zionists. You know how they are. (Insert sarcasm here.)

It's really maddening. And it creates a smokescreen that these governments can try to hide behind to avoid addressing the real sources of the problems (i.e., their own illegitimacy in the eyes of many of their citizens; corruption and the mismanagement of resources; economic inequality and the horrible conditions under which many of their people live; etc.)

Sorry for the diatribe. This is a sore subject for me.
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Originally Posted by Katie Bugs Mama
This is a sore subject for me.
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Yeah. Me 2.
Kind of like most of the stuff in the link of my previous post.

HB, assuming that you are being sarcastic (giving you the benefit of the doubt), maybe you should have some sort of warning at the top of your post. Because gullibility in this regard knows no bounds ...



... and it does seem that you've piqued some interest ... sad to say ...



(oh, and feel better soon ...)
 

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Far be it from me to speak on behalf of HB, but he was definitely being sarcastic.
I suppose I was. I was just craving attention from amyrpk, and this was the quickest way I knew to get it, short of starting a Michael Landon thread, with links, of course.
 

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katie bugs mama- IMO that wasn't a diatribe.... just sharing of information & opinion. I appreciate the input.

Maybe I am the gullible one- I had never imagined that the SA gov't would try & blame a terrorist attack within their own borders on Mossad, or the 'Zionists', or whoever...... I dunno.

I really hate all this sh!t about arabs v. jews v. muslims v. america v. westerners v. easterners......

Feeling very disgusted with it all, feeling like no matter what I say & try & think about it's never going to be 'correct'- always going to piss someone off who thinks I hate Jews, or whatever..... & yet you have no idea who I am....... or what my background might be.... you only get snippets of my thoughts on certain 'hot' topics.....

and with that, I'll leave you all to agree with yourselves about the stinkin' mess......
 

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I suppose I was. I was just craving attention from amyrpk, and this was the quickest way I knew to get it, short of starting a Michael Landon thread, with links, of course.




Links?



What links?

 

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katie bugs mama- IMO that wasn't a diatribe.... just sharing of information & opinion. I appreciate the input.

Maybe I am the gullible one- I had never imagined that the SA gov't would try & blame a terrorist attack within their own borders on Mossad, or the 'Zionists', or whoever...... I dunno.
Blaming the "Zionists" and/or "American agents" is pretty common and almost always a diversion. It's not that foreign intelligence agencies are above this; it's more that, if Israel and the United States wanted to destablize S.A. (and I don't think that they do), they wouldn't need to do anything but sit back and watch the home-grown insurgents do their thing.

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Feeling very disgusted with it all, feeling like no matter what I say & try & think about it's never going to be 'correct'- always going to piss someone off who thinks I hate Jews, or whatever..... & yet you have no idea who I am....... or what my background might be.... you only get snippets of my thoughts on certain 'hot' topics.....

and with that, I'll leave you all to agree with yourselves about the stinkin' mess......

You lost me here.
I'm not sure what about this thread or my response to it offended you. I'm really not sure where you got the notion that I think you "hate Jews." I generally try very hard to stay out of threads about the ME in this forum, so I don't know all of the players (so to speak) and the history among you.
 
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