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I have a beautiful newphew born on monday and the PED said that they would not circ until his 2 week check up- so I was wondering where I could get some good links to help push my sister and her SO to keep him intact. They already think that he is the most perfect so why would they want to change it??? But they do- also when my other nephew was circed his fater said he didnt cry- <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"> I was thinking maybe some of you could point me into the direction of stories of sexual problems in men caused by a circ. That could help me with my case. They are sex crazy, so if I can show her it is more harmful to do it for sexual reasons, then they may be more into not doing it and letting him make his choice. However, I fear I will not win at this one, the comments are the norm, "it is nasty" " it just ***looks*** wrong" "I dont think more babies are not circed, infact I think more babies now days are circed" So, you see what I am up against, but I tought it was worth a try!<br><br>
Thanks, Ang
 

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There's always the "Where's My Foreskin?" article at the top in a "sticky" on the board here.<br><br>
As for specific articles on function, I know there are some at CIRP.org. There are a couple good links inside the page at <a href="http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/" target="_blank">http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/</a> In the blue menu bar, click "Anatomy" then when that opens, "Anatomy: Intact and circumcised".<br><br>
The links can be found inside there, but I'll put them here as well:<br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.noharmm.org/anatomy.htm" target="_blank">http://www.noharmm.org/anatomy.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://net.indra.com/~shredder/intact/anatomy/index.html" target="_blank">http://net.indra.com/~shredder/intac...omy/index.html</a><br><br>
For stories from men circ'd as adults, try <a href="http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/veryangry.html" target="_blank">http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/veryangry.html</a><br><br>
Now granted, this will be a lot for them to ponder over, considering.... But better now than later. Its hard to admit that YOU (or your partner) don't have 100% of their original "potential".
 

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I'm not sure what you mean by sex crazy... but intillegent sexually liberated people don't mutilate other people's bodies, expecially not their sex organ. Learning respect for other people's bodies and BOUNDRIES is a pretty critical thing to "get". On the other hand, if they are just plain run of the mill hornballs ... well... they are not going to get it.<br><br>
Here is a link to info coming from an "unbiased" sexuality direction:<br><br><a href="http://www.sexuality.org/l/activism/malecirc.html" target="_blank">http://www.sexuality.org/l/activism/malecirc.html</a>
 

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. . .on the NORM-SoCal site yet, but maybe you can print it out for them or something.<br><br><br><br>
"Before and After Circumcision: An Educational Model of Penile Skin Movement"<br>
by Gary Harryman & Andrew C. Kursar<br><br>
An educational exercise in two parts.<br><br>
Part one -- the "gliding action":<br><br>
Hold out your left hand, palm down, fingers together, flat, and pointed away from you. Place the index finger of your right hand on the back of your left hand about in the middle of the back of the palm. Press down with that index finger using moderate pressure and slide the skin on the back of the left hand around in a circle.<br><br>
Notice how the skin slides smoothly over the substrate of the hand? Notice how you can feel the skin itself extending and compressing, and how you can feel it sliding against the substrate below? That's similar to what the mobile foreskin does on the erect penis; it slides all around, and up and down, in a roller-bearing fashion.<br><br>
Now, while still moving the skin around in a circle, slowly close the extended fingers of your left hand into a fist. Notice how the skin under your index finger tightens up as the fingers close, and how it stops sliding around? Notice how the sensory input and your perception of it changes from the complex movement of the skin itself, and its simultaneous movement against the irregular substratum, to only frictional input from your index finger as it moves around in a circle on the back of the fist? Notice how that changes your perception and focus from the many things that are occurring under the loose skin to just the friction that is occurring under your index finger against the tight skin.<br><br>
That's what happens when the foreskin is amputated -- the more severe the circumcision (that is, the greater the genital reduction), the tighter the remaining skin on the penis. The tighter the remaining skin on the penis, the less it moves. The less it moves, the more the penis receives only frictional input. The more the penis receives only frictional input, the more need there is for primarily rougher thrusting motions and a tighter fit to stimulate it.<br><br>
Now, while still rubbing the index finger around on the back of the first hand, slowly unclench the fist again. Notice how the the skin glides smoothly over the substrate again? Notice how you can feel the skin itself stretching and compressing, and how you can feel it sliding against the substrate below?<br><br>
If you balance out the pressure you apply with your index finger against the greatest range of movement of the skin, so that the mobile skin is sliding around in a circle and the index finger is rubbing against the skin itself as well, you can feel both the skin movement itself, and the frictional input of the index finger moving against it -- simultaneously. That's what the intact foreskin normally does on the erect penis; it slides around, and up and down, in a similar fashion, and at the same time receives frictional input from the surface it is rubbing against. That unique ability is called the "gliding action" and it is the hallmark mechanical feature of the normal intact (whole) human penis. Without this gliding action, sex as nature designed it is impossible.<br><br>
Part two -- innervation:<br><br>
Rub the back of your hand again; then, turn your hand over and lightly rub the palm in the same way. Notice how the palm is many times more sensitive than the back of the hand, and how the sensation is qualitatively different, having much more of a tickling or tingling nature?<br><br>
This is because the palm of your hand has some of the same nerves that the normal intact foreskin has, and they are between 10 and 20 times more sensitive than the nerves on the back of your hand, or those on the shaft and glans of the circumcised penis; specialized pleasure-producing nerve endings such as coiled fine-touch Meissner's corpuscles, encapsulated pressure- and vibration-sensitive Vater Pacini cells, Merkel's touch-receptor cells, temperature-sensitive nocioceptors, and branches of two nerve stems.<br><br>
Through non-surgical foreskin restoration a man can reclaim most of the "Part one" experience, and, depending on how much of his original foreskin remains and if his frenulum is still intact, perhaps some of the "Part two" experience.<br><br>
However, those specialized pleasure-producing nerves that have been removed, and the way in which their normal functioning would interact with the sensations of the "Part one" gliding motion, are lost forever.<br><br>
Copyright 2003 Gary Harryman & Andrew C. Kursar
 

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NOTE: I'm going to dump a lot of links here but I don't suggest sending all of them - read through them and pick a couple that you think will work for them (more scientific tone vs. more layperson oriented) and send them along. Also, go talk to them in person if possible! Emphasize how easy it is to clean their ds' penis now - at least they have experience with that! Let them know that the foreskin won't retract for years by which point their ds can take care of hygiene himself and they don't have to do it.<br><br>
Studies on anatomy and sexual function of foreskin (see particularly the lost list and the research.cirp link):<br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/taylor/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/taylor/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/cold-taylor/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/cold-taylor/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.intact.ca/taylor.html" target="_blank">http://www.intact.ca/taylor.html</a><br><br><a href="http://research.cirp.org/" target="_blank">http://research.cirp.org/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/garcia/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/garcia/</a><br><br>
The lost list: <a href="http://www.norm-socal.org/lost.htm" target="_blank">http://www.norm-socal.org/lost.htm</a><br><br>
circumcision and sexual dysfunction:<br><br>
SENSITIVITY LOSS:<br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/taylor/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/taylor/</a><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/news/nocirc12-7-00/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/news/nocirc12-7-00/</a><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/money/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/money/</a><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/fink1/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/fink1/</a><br><br>
***anecdotal**<br><br><a href="http://www.noharmm.org/numbness.htm" target="_blank">http://www.noharmm.org/numbness.htm</a><br><br>
INSUFFICIENT SKIN TO ACCOMODATE ERECTION (SHORTER PENIS):<br><br>
In a study investigating the adequacy of condom sizes, Richters, Gerofi,<br><br>
and Donovan noted that circumcised men had significantly shorter erect<br><br>
penises by a mean length of 8mm than genitally intact men (p<.05). The<br><br>
difference in erect penile size was attributed to insufficient skin to<br><br>
accommodate the erection.<br><br>
Richters J, Gerofi J,Donovan B. Are condoms the right size(s)? A method for<br><br>
self-measurement of the erect penis. Venereology 1995;8:77-81<br><br><br>
PREMATURE EJACULATION:<br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/vissing1/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/vissing1/</a><br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/money/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/money/</a><br><br>
ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION:<br><br>
A. DIRECT:<br><br><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=14979200&dopt=Abstract" target="_blank">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract</a><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/fink1/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/fink1/</a><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/stinson/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/stinson/</a><br><br>
NOTE: Since the efficacy rate for ED drugs is about 80%, the causes of ED<br>
are mostly physiological and we do not need to evoke some nebulous<br>
psychological reason for the resulting ED cases in this article.<br><br>
Impotence and adult circumcision. Stinson JM. Journal of the National<br>
Medical Association 1973;65:161,179.<br><br><a href="http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/stief1/" target="_blank">http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/stief1/</a><br><br>
B. INDIRECT:<br><br><a href="http://www.jpost.com/Editions/1999/12/19/Health/Health.441.html" target="_blank">http://www.jpost.com/Editions/1999/1...ealth.441.html</a><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/viagra/newsid_105000/105016.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/spe...000/105016.stm</a><br><a href="http://news.muzi.com/ll/english/1101338.shtml" target="_blank">http://news.muzi.com/ll/english/1101338.shtml</a><br><a href="http://www.pfizer.com/pfizerinc/investing/annual/earnings/2000Q1earnfin.html" target="_blank">http://www.pfizer.com/pfizerinc/inve...Q1earnfin.html</a><br><a href="http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/viagra/newsid_95000/95208.stm" target="_blank">http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/engli...5000/95208.stm</a><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1182000/1182604.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1182604.stm</a><br><a href="http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/980619/1998061903.html" target="_blank">http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Dail...998061903.html</a><br><a href="http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/despatches/newsid_97000/97479.stm" target="_blank">http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/engli...7000/97479.stm</a><br><a href="http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/viagra/newsid_95000/95208.stm" target="_blank">http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/engli...5000/95208.stm</a><br><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1182000/1182604.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1182604.stm</a>
 

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What I ment by sex crazy- they love sex- she is always having sex and I know that a circ is the leading cause for ED so if I can show the link between being cired and the loss of sexual arousal then I may have a gateway to make her not circ.
 

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If her DH is circ'd I would hope he would look at the topic from a place of self-confidence and think "I wouldn't want that taken from my son" instead of defensive and think "Well, it works for me".
 
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