[StephandOwen]

<p>DP was at the doctor yesterday for something "man related" (I'm sure he doesn't want me going into details... lol.... but it was related to TTC). Anyway, the doctor used that little info (that we were going to TTC) to try to scare dp into getting some shot called "Adacel". DP did the right thing and told him to write it down and he would talk to me about it. LOL! This doctor apparently was telling dp that he should get the vaccine, as well as me, because "if you're going to have a baby soon you surely don't want to risk passing whooping cough to a tiny infant who can't fight that- do you?". He went on and on about how he's seen *so many* babies with whooping cough so far this year and it could be prevented if only their parents get this shot. He went on about how there's a "pertussis outbreak" here in Kentucky and he's just so saddened by all of these babies who are so sick that he sees every week. He even offered us a deal, since he knows I don't have insurance- he would give me the vaccine for just the cost of the vaccine, no office visit charge. Isn't that so generous?!</p>
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<p>So of course dp comes home and asks me about it. I went to the CDC's website first to see if there really is an outbreak of pertussis..... and there certainly is not! So far this year there have been 231 cases in Kentucky. Last year there was 210. I would hardly raise an eyebrow at that. <span><img alt="eyesroll.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/eyesroll.gif"> I asked dp "if there has been 231 cases so far, all year long, in ALL of Kentucky- how many babies do you think your dr really has seen with pertussis?".... lol.... he got the picture real quick that the dr was using scare tactics with him</span> <span><img alt="winky.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/winky.gif"></span></p>

 

[Otto]

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<p>So of course dp comes home and asks me about it. I went to the CDC's website first to see if there really is an outbreak of pertussis..... and there certainly is not! So far this year there have been 231 cases in Kentucky. Last year there was 210.</p>
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<br><p>Could you point me to the CDC breakouts by state?</p>

 

[Smidge]

<p>To answer your question, YES scare tactics work.  I have a friend who thought vaxs were mandatory   People TRUST doctors b/c they're supposed to be trusted.  But we all still need to do our own research for our family's safety.</p>

 

[StephandOwen]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>StephandOwen</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1284421/scare-tactics-does-that-really-work#post_16103591"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><p> </p>
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<p>So of course dp comes home and asks me about it. I went to the CDC's website first to see if there really is an outbreak of pertussis..... and there certainly is not! So far this year there have been 231 cases in Kentucky. Last year there was 210.</p>
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<br><p>Could you point me to the CDC breakouts by state?</p>
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Sure. <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5947.pdf" target="_blank">Here's</a> the latest stats available. Scroll down to page 20, I think, is where the stats start.</p>

 

[StephandOwen]

<br><br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Smidge</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1284421/scare-tactics-does-that-really-work#post_16103694"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>To answer your question, YES scare tactics work.  I have a friend who thought vaxs were mandatory   <strong>People TRUST doctors b/c they're supposed to be trusted</strong>.  But we all still need to do our own research for our family's safety.</p>
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<br><br><p>That was dp before I met him. He faithfully did whatever the doctors told him to and never questioned them. He's learned a lot in the last few years and now always either does his research (with my help finding reputable sources for info) or asks me my opinion (usually it's both). DP is not anti-doctor, but he's learning to ask more questions and not just blindly do what they tell him to.</p>

 

[Otto]

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>StephandOwen</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1284421/scare-tactics-does-that-really-work#post_16103736"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Sure. <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/PDF/wk/mm5947.pdf" target="_blank">Here's</a> the latest stats available. Scroll down to page 20, I think, is where the stats start.</p>
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<p>Thanks.</p>

 

[AllyRae]

<p>I think maybe he was probably exaggerating how many he's seen, but there *is* an outbreak.  Ohio has had almost twice as many cases as last year (almost 1600 so far this year) and it's one of those that seems to be immune to vaccination.  It scares the hell out of me because of Amelia's immune deficiency...even the vaccinated kids around her seem to be coming down with it.  We've seen quite a few friends with kids that have confirmed cases...some vaxed, some not.</p>
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<p>So, I don't think it's a "scare tactic" because there *is* a statistically increased number of pertussis cases across the country (it just hasn't hit Kentucky yet, but since Kentucky borders Ohio, which *is* having an outbreak, it is only a matter of weeks...all it takes is for a few people in the Cincy area to cross the border with it)  BUT...vaccination status doesn't seem to be making a huge difference in who is getting it (which is fairly scary in itself...now we're seeing outbreaks of VPDs that seem to have mutated and are no longer VPDs).  Maybe have him ask the doctor what good the current vax will do since the current strain is resistent to it... </p>
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<p>But hey, any baby conceived now will be born during next year's illness season, and we don't know what big "outbreak" will pop up next year...we've already hit the flu and pertussis. :lol:</p>

 

[ASusan]

<p>Hey - do you have a source for the fact that the Ohio outbreak cases are hitting people who are vaxed?</p>
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<p>Thank you.</p>

 

[AllyRae]

<p>Not one I can cite online.  It was on the news, where the health department was saying that they were seeing cases among the vaccinated population, and that it seems that the strain is "immune" to the vaccination.  I think they were saying the same thing when the outbreak happened in California too.</p>
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<p>Now, or course i'm not sure if they were referencing babies who only had some of their vaccines (since babies are not fully vaxed for pertussis).  But, I do have friends who vax and their kids got pertussis anyway.  I'm not sure if it's more mild than what unvaxed kids are getting, but it seemed to be pretty crappy regardless of the vax status.</p>

 

[Turquesa]

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I just started a thread about <a href="http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/swcounty/article_cdd5eac3-2d89-54cd-b421-a668899709a4.html" target="_blank">this article.</a></p>
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<p>The article is mostly unrelated, but here is the relevant quote:</p>
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<p>I wouldn't hurt to cross-reference this, though, since the source of the info is vague.</p>
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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ASusan</strong> <a href="/community/forum/thread/1284421/scare-tactics-does-that-really-work#post_16105236"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/community/img/forum/go_quote.gif" style="border:0px solid;"></a><br><br><p>Hey - do you have a source for the fact that the Ohio outbreak cases are hitting people who are vaxed?</p>
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<p>Thank you.</p>
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[Turquesa]

<p>Oh, and StephandOwen, if there's anything less effective than scare tactics on the already-educated and skeptical parent...it's lying.  While I'm sorry you went through that, I admire that you've chosen to be amused rather than distressed about it.  <span><img alt="thumb.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/thumb.gif"></span></p>

 

[Bokonon]

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<p>But hey, any baby conceived now will be born during next year's illness season, and we don't know what big "outbreak" will pop up next year...we've already hit the flu and pertussis. :lol:</p>
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<br><br><p>Last year was swine flu, this year is pertussis...my money is on measles for next year's big "outbreak"!</p>

 

[ASusan]

<p>THANKS for that. I love the quote, "I wish we would have started it (testing the hypothesis of a mutated, more virulent strain) in 2005." Well, perhaps it hadn't mutated in 2005 (but further reading in the article indicates that the Netherlands were concerned about a mutated strain as far back as 1996).</p>
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<p>And the next paragraph, which says that the answer to a mutated strain is another vaccine!</p>

 

[sahli29]

<p>I think there are scare tactics used by all,and you just have to muddle through them to make your decision. I feel if you are that one person who experiences death as a result of a vaccine or a disease it WILL affect you differently that someone who just  reads about the pros/cons or  risks/benefits.</p>
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<p>I have read about the push to vax parents now for pertussis.And the push to vax all kids for flu because they are the major vectors.Always a push for something.Suprised there is not a single mention of the pig flu.Last year people were in lines getting the swine vaccine,and this year nothing.</p>

 

[hippy mum]

<p>   Pertussis goes in cycles, that's why there is an "outbreak" every few years. It's nothing new, and just another way to push a vaccine.  </p>
<p>  Scare tactics certainly do work.  All you have to do is read through past threads here on MDC of people who got a vaccine, because of some scary thing the dr said, and how they regret getting the vaccine, after going home and researching it.  How many people actually go double check what a dr says?  </p>
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<p>  My former pediatrician tried to scare both dh and I at separate visits-read-separate and divide method-by telling us how dangerous the vpd's were and our kids must have the vaccines, or they would die.  Really.  They couldn't even produce the info to back up what they were saying.</p>
<p>  Moms are bullied into a Pertussis vaccine after giving birth-nice time to bully someone right?-like they don't have enough on their minds to focus on checking what the dr is saying.  What gets me about that "scare tactic", is that they only hit mom up-they aren't lining up the whole family to be vaccinated.  </p>
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<p>  There was the MMR push a year or two ago-recall the "outbreak" up in New England and somewhere else on the east coast?  </p>
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<p> Anyhow, good for dh standing up to the dr.</p>