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It requires that people are pre-traumatized by the idea of the danger of these diseases, hence the measles paranoia, the demonizing of chicken pox, deadly mumps and rubella etc to believe this shite. Ebola fear porn helps too. It would be very hard to convinced someone like me with this tactic who actually had the diseases along with most (all) of the kids I knew growing up.

These people are beginning to really believe their fantasies.
 

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Being upset by pictures and saying you might vaccinate is not the same as actually doing it. People will go home, do a little research on the diseases and their prevalence, and make a more rationed decision.


I saw a graph by Bloomberg earlier today. It showed an uptake in MMR for a couple of months after Disney broke - but it looks like vaccine rates have dropped back down to normal.


Fear only gets to some of the people and it is often a short lived thing
 

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Misrepresentation of the diseases and the dangers is an important part of this strategy.

For example, what is the real risk of ending up sterile from mumps? How much more likely is this very rare risk in adults?
 

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So they're convincing people to vaccinate. :shrug So what? As long as people have a free, informed choice, I don't care what arguments anybody makes. I don't even care what manipulative stunts they try to pull. May the most compelling case win.

I personally find scare tactics insulting and scoff at them. But if others make their decisions based on fear, I have no control over that. Everybody is responsible for their choices, and it's not my job to "rescue" them from how they come to make them.

What's amusing is the spin. "They're not convinced by our arguments. So we need to scare them."

Um, here's another idea. Provide better arguments. :duh
 

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Well, that seems really unfair. How can they present stories in detail to these individuals about parents who have first-hand experience with diseases without presenting stories from parents who have first-hand experience with vaccine reactions also, which can absolutely sound just as horrific? (I'm sure they can gather many of those stories.) If I was a participant in this little experiment, I would have surely asked to see those stories as well to gather an accurate conclusion, not a biased one.
 

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Well, that seems really unfair. How can they present stories in detail to these individuals about parents who have first-hand experience with diseases without presenting stories from parents who have first-hand experience with vaccine reactions also, which can absolutely sound just as horrific? (I'm sure they can gather many of those stories.) If I was a participant in this little experiment, I would have surely asked to see those stories as well to gather an accurate conclusion, not a biased one.
They started from the premise that vaccine reactions are rare to non-existent, except for the mild ones, and therefore aren't relevant.

Believe me, these people have it all sewn up.
 

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They started from the premise that vaccine reactions are rare to non-existent, except for the mild ones, and therefore aren't relevant.

Believe me, these people have it all sewn up.
Ugh. My mom can tell her story about my brother's severe reaction to vaccines. She has all the details about that awful experience. There's one real-life story they could add to their vaccine demonstration. The pure sugar-coating around vaccines is ridiculous, which is why I gather so many more have become skeptical.
 

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Ugh. My mom can tell her story about my brother's severe reaction to vaccines. She has all the details about that awful experience. There's one real-life story they could add to their vaccine demonstration. The pure sugar-coating around vaccines is ridiculous, which is why so many are skeptical.
Yeah, labeling people as confused, delusional, liars or just plain "anti-vaccine" for talking about vaccine reactions is a hard story to sell to anyone who has actually met a vaccine injured baby or child.
 

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Here's something that puzzles me. Is it wise to use this study of such limited data as unfettered license to take a fear-mongering approach? It could really backfire among those of us who find the approach infuriatingly repugnant.
 

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Here's something that puzzles me. Is it wise to use this study of such limited data as unfettered license to take a fear-mongering approach? It could really backfire among those of us who find the approach infuriatingly repugnant.
I'm rather puzzled by the entire pro-vaccine pattern over the last few years. Quite small drops in vaccination rates or increases in exemption rates (or sometimes less than small, non-existent) are blown up into huge problems that require immediate legislative intervention of a quite drastic type.

Any concern about the safety or efficacy of any vaccine is blasted or censored (see the Couric incident) and see also the censorship of HPV concerns in Denmark and Japan.

It is as though the pro-vaccine expect the entire vaccine edifice to come crashing down if even the slightest doubt is permitted to become visible.

Why are they so frightened?
 

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In a fair world...

We could have hospitals post pictures at their entrances of those hospital acquired infections/diseases along with a running tally of how many people at their hospital suffered this fate.

Pharmaceutical companies would have to post pictures on the drug info handout of some of the undesirable consequences of taking their meds. They could have pictures of foreclosure signs on homes, people walking into Addict's Anonymous, school shootings, DD-breasts on 10 year old boys...

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In a fair world...

We could have hospitals post pictures at their entrances of those hospital acquired infections/diseases along with a running tally of how many people at their hospital suffered this fate.

Pharmaceutical companies would have to post pictures on the drug info handout of some of the undesirable consequences of taking their meds. They could have pictures of foreclosure signs on homes, people walking into Addict's Anonymous, school shootings, DD-breasts on 10 year old boys...

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Great idea!

At the very least, the data on hospital outcomes should be available.
 
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