[wobbema]

Hi all...<br><br>
At Gabry's house we had a short conversation about schooling.<br>
a year and a half ago, I did some research on alternative schooling in the NL, I did it for my own studies (to become a primary teacher).<br>
I mentioned saturday that I liked the Dalton-idea but... I couldnt even describe what the core of Dalton was, besides 'learning in freedom, but with a lot of cooperation, and with 'grenzen" when it comes to the freedom. (couldnt get to the english words as well)DUH......!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br>
well, i have spent only 5 minutes on it now, and wobbe is awake so i only give u a hyperlink and a real short blabla from me... but they call it freedom in restraint, in dutch we say ´begrensde vrijheid`.<br><br><b>Dalton:<br>
- Funder: Helen Parkhurst, US<br>
- Principles: Freedom in restraint, individual learning, coorperation.<br>
- Kids decide, together with teacher, wath they want to learn. They work on tasks both individually as together. They explain to the teacher, what they have done and learned.<br>
- Teacher decides per individual pupil what he/she specifically has to improve/work on and gives each pupil individual tasks according to this..<br>
- Day –and weektasks.<br>
- Pupils learn to plan activities, days and weeks.<br>
- Teacher is more a helper than a leader.<br>
- Pupils are responsible for their own way of learning and their behaviour.<br></b><br><br><a href="http://www.dalton.nl/html/engels/page_2.php" target="_blank">http://www.dalton.nl/html/engels/page_2.php</a><br><br><b>JENAPLAN:</b><br><b>Funder: Peter Petersen, Germany<br>
Pupils work together in groups with different ages, because this improves their learning (they learn from each other).<br>
They work with themes and projects a lot, and from one theme, they cover all subjects.<br>
Teacher looks at individual needs of pupils.<br>
A lot of creative activities, a lot of attention to fests.</b><br><br>
anyways, i have a list with other kinds of schooling available in the NL as well:<br>
Waldorfschools are ´vrije scholen´ in the NL<br><br><br><span style="color:#FF0000;">Laurence Houseman once said, "A saint is one who makes goodness attractive." Surely, a great teacher does the same thing for education.<br><br><br>
1. Een inventarisatie van vernieuwingsscholen en bewegingen:<br><br>
1.1 Traditionele vernieuwingsscholen: <b>(TRADITIONAL PROGRESSIVE SCHOOLS)</b><br>
•Dalton<br>
•Jenaplan<br>
•Montessori<br>
•Vrije school<br>
•Freinet<br>
•Gestalt leren<br>
•Waldorf<br>
•De progressieve school<br>
•Parkschool<br>
•Jan Ligthart Genootschap<br>
•De werkplaats<br><br>
1.2 Actuele vernieuwingsscholen: (NEW PROGRESSIVE SCHOOLS)/B]<br>
•Iederwijs<br>
•Slash 21<br>
•Vrijborch<br>
•Bredeschool<br>
•Wittering.nl<br>
•Teamonderwijs<br>
•PGO-leren<br>
•Actief leren<br>
•Duaal leren<br>
•Competentiegericht leren<br>
•Met kinderen leren<br>
•Onderwijs gericht op meervoudige intelligentie<br>
•Ervaringsgericht onderwijs<br><br>
1.3 Vernieuwingsscholen in het buitenland: <b>(INTERNATIONAL; NOT IN THE NL)</b><br>
•Sudbury Valley, US<br>
•Regio Emilia, Italië<br>
•Pestaschool in Tumbaco, Ecuado<br>
•Asha for education, India<br><br></span><span style="color:#FF0000;"><br>
You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself -- Galileo<br><br>
Tell me and I forget. Show me and I remember. Involve me and I understand.<br>
"Chinese proverb"<br><br>
Setting an example is not the main means of influencing another, it is the only means.<br>
Albert Einstein<br><br>
The teachers who get "burned out" are not the ones who are constantly learning, which can be exhilarating, but those who feel they must stay in control and ahead of the students at all times.<br>
Frank Smith<br><br><br><br></span><br><br>
ok wobbe needs my attention now!!!!!!<br><br>
angela!

 

[simonee]

Thanks for the research! One addition: Sudbury is available,it's called Iederwijs and you have to pay like 200E per month per child.<br><br>
One more thing: usually it's best to go by indiv school, even if you like Dalton, if your town has a big Dalton and a small Montessori or Jena (like minedoes), it's usually much much preferable to go for the small one.<br><br>
And the Vrije scholen are not "as Waldorf" as they would be in the US, e.g. usually they do use technology etc. More pragmatic than principle-bound, as most things in the NL <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">

 

[dutchgal]

Grenzen=boundaries...<br><br>
HTH!

 

[wobbema]

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HTH!</div>
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Thanks! but what does HTH mean????<br><br>
good luck with the rest of your pregnancy and your (WATER)birth!<br><br>
angela

 

[simonee]

hope that helps

 

[sarahmck]

I'm very interested in this topic. We have Eloïse registered at a Montessori near our house, but I recently noticed a sign for a new Dalton school being built and I've heard good things about Waldorf (vrije) schools. I need to find more information on the specific schools, though, because as simonee says, the size of the school and the specific reputation of the teachers, etc., is very important, not just the reputation of the founder's philosophy.<br><br>
Anyone have suggestions about where to start finding out about specific schools?

 

[clogmama]

Hello! I just wanted to say that my son goes to a Vrije school in Utrecht, and the neighborhood kids we know go to Montessori, Jena Plan, Dalton, Protestant, Catholic, and openbaar schools. It's great to phone the schools and find out when they have open days for visitors, or if they have time to show you around individually. When I was asking around for schools, I noticed that almost all parents were very happy with their children's schools. I visited several schools in person, and was then better able to make a choice.

 

[PumpkinSeeds]

This site might have some useful info.<br><br><a href="http://www.onderwijsinspectie.nl/zoekscholen/" target="_blank">http://www.onderwijsinspectie.nl/zoekscholen/</a>

 

[wobbema]

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No, I'm afraid you'll have to visit them all, make appointments, try if you can sit-in.<br>
what might be a good idea, some schools have week-endings or month-endings. in dutch: weeksluiting / maandsluiting.<br>
usually on friday.<br>
maybe you could sit in during this event, then you can see all teachers and feel the atmosphere.<br>
I don;t think they will let you sit-in while they're teaching.<br><br>
and yeah, they will have open days sometimes as well, i assume...<br><br>
good luck!!<br><br>
angela

 

[krizzanne]

Angela, thak you for the info, wow, you put a lot of work into that!<br>
It will help me a lot now while I am trying to decide on DD's school sittuation!

 

[mrflowers]

Hello all,<br><br>
Here is some information on homeschooling (thuisonderwijs/TO) in NL:<br><br>
Nederlandse Vereniging voor ThuisOnderwijs:<br><a href="http://www.nvvto.nl/" target="_blank">http://www.nvvto.nl/</a><br>
That's the Dutch Association for Homeschooling, and they do have info in English.<br><br>
One of the homeschooling support groups in NL is at<br><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thuisonderwijs" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thuisonderwijs</a><br><br>
There is also a yahoo-group for unschoolers, and one to ask technical questions about the legalities surrounding HS in NL. I would recommend (if you are interested) first visiting the site I linked to here. If at some point you want to go further, you can get the links for other yahoo-groups from the people at the group listed above.<br><br>
There is a list of HS-friendly gemeentes at<br><a href="http://www.prowat.nl/actieslpas.htm" target="_blank">http://www.prowat.nl/actieslpas.htm</a><br><br>
You can also Google 'Homeschooling in the Netherlands' for more info. I found that to be a bit frustrating, as a lot of the sites don't have very current info (i.e. the news articles will be from 2005--what's happened since then?!?). I've gotten all of the current information from the yahoo group. They are very friendly and helpful, and you can post in English.<br><br>
Mercy

 

[wobbema]

interesting to know that a new dalton will be openend in amsterdam.<br><br>
good idea of making a sticky out of it, as a lot of people seem to be interested ( and searching).<br><br>
angela!

 

[maschav]

My daughter is on a Waldorf school (Delft).<br>
In Holland the Waldorf schools are funded by the government, so there are 30 same-aged children in a class with one teacher. They do tests and all this stuff. The program is compulsory and the teachers use punishments and rewards. We love the Waldorf part but in Holland it seems a regular school with a flavour of Waldorf to me, not free at all. Ironically, Waldorfschools are called 'Vrije Scholen' which means: schools free from government-intervention.....<br>
I know a Waldorf teacher who moved to the USA-Seattle because of this.<br>
I want to take my daughter out of school to unschool, which is not easy, since she's 7 years old and been to school already, but also because my partner doesn't agree with me.<br><br>
Mascha

 

[mamazappa]

We have the possibility of moving to Amsterdam with my husband's job, but we don't speak Dutch (Italian and English only). With my dd about ready to start kindergarten, what should I expect? I love the ideas of some of the schools I have read about from your postings, and think we will do well there, but I was just wondering if, in general, classes for that age are taught in Dutch or English?<br>
Lots more to ask, but I'll just start there.<br><br>
Thanks!<br>
Angela

 

[sarahmck]

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All classes at all ages (except English) are taught in Dutch unless you go to an international or British school.

 

[sarahmck]

Anyone have any specific input about the Geert Groote School (vrijeschool) in Amsterdam?

 

[rzberrymom]

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<div style="font-style:italic;">We have the possibility of moving to Amsterdam with my husband's job, but we don't speak Dutch (Italian and English only). With my dd about ready to start kindergarten, what should I expect? I love the ideas of some of the schools I have read about from your postings, and think we will do well there, but I was just wondering if, in general, classes for that age are taught in Dutch or English?<br>
Lots more to ask, but I'll just start there.<br><br>
Thanks!<br>
Angela</div>
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I didn't see this until now, so I'm not sure if it will help. But, there's a school in Hilversum that's sort of half and half--from what I understand, it's taught in both English and Dutch, and the students that go there are all from families who are particularly interested in helping the non-Dutch students integrate into Dutch society. I thought that was a nice idea, especially after hearing stories of kiddos that quickly learn Dutch at school but then spend a great deal of time trying and trying to be accepted into Dutch society.<br><br>
I can check on the name of it if you want--perhaps there's something similar in Amsterdam? And if Clogmama happens to pop in here, I think she knows the name of it.

 

[clogmama]

Here's the international in Hilversum:<br><br><a href="http://www.klg.nl/klg_ish/" target="_blank">http://www.klg.nl/klg_ish/</a><br><br>
And the internatonal school in Amsterdam:<br><br><a href="http://www.isa.nl/_main/welcome.html" target="_blank">http://www.isa.nl/_main/welcome.html</a>

 

[summermay]

Some more links about homeschooling in the Netherlands.<br><br>
You can get exemptions from school attendance, because of religous or philosophical concerns, or if your child attends a foreign school.<br><br><a href="http://www.thuisonderwijs.nl/nvvto/" target="_blank">http://www.thuisonderwijs.nl/nvvto/</a> (main homeschooling site, has example exemption letters for your reason "richtingsbedenkingen", they have also a news section about latest laws in the Netherlands. It's especially interesting for families who are enrolled to a foreign distance school).<br><br><a href="http://www.lereninvrijheid.nl" target="_blank">www.lereninvrijheid.nl</a> (also unschooling approach)<br><br><a href="http://www.levenderwijs.nl" target="_blank">www.levenderwijs.nl</a><br><br><a href="http://www.ikwilhet.nu/thuisonderwijs/790/nu-meer-informatie-over/thuisonderwijs.html" target="_blank">http://www.ikwilhet.nu/thuisonderwij...onderwijs.html</a> (many links about homeschooling in the netherlands, including to blogs)