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interesting typo there, lol.
anyway WOO HOOO see ya! Yeah later dude.
Originally Posted by goodcents Or so the god 'ol boys say |
anyway WOO HOOO see ya! Yeah later dude.
See ya later Rummy - & don't let the door hit you on the way out
Or so the good 'ol boys say here
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| WASHINGTON, April 13 - The widening circle of retired generals who have stepped forward to call for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's resignation is shaping up as an unusual outcry that could pose a significant challenge to Mr. Rumsfeld's leadership, current and former generals said on Thursday. Maj. Gen. Charles H. Swannack Jr., who led troops on the ground in Iraq as recently as 2004 as the commander of the Army's 82nd Airborne Division, on Thursday became the fifth retired senior general in recent days to call publicly for Mr. Rumsfeld's ouster. Also Thursday, another retired Army general, Maj. Gen. John Riggs, joined in the fray. "We need to continue to fight the global war on terror and keep it off our shores," General Swannack said in a telephone interview. "But I do not believe Secretary Rumsfeld is the right person to fight that war based on his absolute failures in managing the war against Saddam in Iraq." |
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true indeedy. i did correct it though :LOL
Originally Posted by Arduinna interesting typo there, lol. anyway WOO HOOO see ya! Yeah later dude. |
Interesting:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192065,00.html
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http://www.abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/P...1848043&page=1
Ex-Gen. Myers: Rumsfeld Should Stay
Military's Highest-Ranking Officer During Iraq War Backs Defense Secretary
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/16/op...in&oref=slogin
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This co-ordinated attack by six out of thousands of generals both in and out of uniform is laughable in that is has guaranteed Rumsfeld will remain in the Secretary's position.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192065,00.html
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| Former Clinton CENTCOM commander, Anthony Zinni - the most prominent of the retired generals attacking Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld - now says that, in the run-up to the war in Iraq ... But in early 2000, Zinni told Congress "Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Arabian Gulf region," adding, "Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, [and] retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions ... Even if Baghdad reversed its course and surrendered all WMD capabilities, it retains scientific, technical, and industrial infrastructure to replace agents and munitions within weeks or months." |
Ex-Gen. Myers: Rumsfeld Should Stay
Military's Highest-Ranking Officer During Iraq War Backs Defense Secretary
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| In an exclusive interview on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," retired Gen. Richard Myers, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, staunchly defended Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, his former boss who is under increasing public pressure to resign his post over his execution of the war in Iraq. ... The retired Air Force general, the highest-ranking military officer during Operation Iraqi Freedom, believes criticism of Rumsfeld by several other retired generals is unwise. |
A General Misunderstanding
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| AS the No. 2 general at United States Central Command from the Sept. 11 attacks through the Iraq war, I was the daily "answer man" to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. I briefed him twice a day; few people had as much interaction with him as I did during those two years. In light of the recent calls for his resignation by several retired generals, I would like to set the record straight on what he was really like to work with. ... Mr. Rumsfeld does not give in easily in disagreements, either, and he will always force you to argue your point thoroughly. This can be tough for some people to deal with. I witnessed many heated but professional conversations between my immediate commander, Gen. Tommy Franks, and Mr. Rumsfeld - but the secretary always deferred to the general on war-fighting issues. |
No real surprise that Fox "news" would be supporting Rummy.
I have never liked Rumsfeld. But the retired generals speaking out now? Why now? Maybe because they're RETIRED and their money is safe.
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The cabal of six are doing nothing more than helping the enemy with their public complaints. They have waited until retirement lest they be in violation of Article 94 of the UCMJ covering mutiny and sedition. I personally think they are trying to shift blame and cover themselves in the light of history which might look to failures in this conflict and lay blame at the feet of the cabal themselves.
It is interesting to note that their past words paint an entirely different picture in comparison to what they are harping on today. Of course they are playing into the hands of most of the defeatist MSM who dare not show any loyalty to this country or administration.
Most interesting of all about the media was mentioned by Rumsfeld himself.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...ew_.guest.html
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BTW, this cabal of six does not exactly represent a groundswell when latest estimates put the number of active duty and retired generals at around 8,000.
It is interesting to note that their past words paint an entirely different picture in comparison to what they are harping on today. Of course they are playing into the hands of most of the defeatist MSM who dare not show any loyalty to this country or administration.
Most interesting of all about the media was mentioned by Rumsfeld himself.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...ew_.guest.html
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| RUSH: Okay, terrific. Well, we'll continue to plug that here. Let me amend it. Let me ask you one final question. Somebody on my staff is curious to know what your opinion is of embedding reporters with the military. Has that worked? Has that worked as you had hoped? ... SECRETARY RUMSFELD: Well, it's a funny thing. I asked one reporter about that, and there was kind of the impression left that, "Well, if you got embedded then you were really part of the problem instead of part of the solution and you were almost going over to the other side," argument. I think that's an inexcusable thought, and I don't know if that's the case. |
Classic Flagger! Getting his marching orders from the former drug addict apparently.
Read the words of one of the generals yerselves folks....
Why Iraq Was a Mistake
"Two senior military officers are known to have challenged Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the planning of the Iraq war. Army General Eric Shinseki publicly dissented and found himself marginalized. Marine Lieut. General Greg Newbold, the Pentagon's top operations officer, voiced his objections internally and then retired, in part out of opposition to the war. Here, for the first time, Newbold goes public with a full-throated critique"
More here:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...181629,00.html
Read the words of one of the generals yerselves folks....
Why Iraq Was a Mistake
"Two senior military officers are known to have challenged Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the planning of the Iraq war. Army General Eric Shinseki publicly dissented and found himself marginalized. Marine Lieut. General Greg Newbold, the Pentagon's top operations officer, voiced his objections internally and then retired, in part out of opposition to the war. Here, for the first time, Newbold goes public with a full-throated critique"
More here:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...181629,00.html
Another one of the generals' words....
For his failures, Rumsfeld must go
"During World War II, American soldiers en route to Britain before D-Day were given a pamphlet on how to behave while awaiting the invasion. The most important quote was: "It is impolite to criticize your host; it is militarily stupid to criticize your allies."
"By that rule, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is not competent to lead America's armed forces. First, his failure to build coalitions with U.S. allies from what he dismissively called "old Europe" has imposed far greater demands and risks on American soldiers in Iraq than necessary. Second, he alienated his allies in the U.S. military, ignoring the advice of seasoned officers and denying subordinates any chance for input."
More here:
http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.ph...on/edeaton.php
For his failures, Rumsfeld must go
"During World War II, American soldiers en route to Britain before D-Day were given a pamphlet on how to behave while awaiting the invasion. The most important quote was: "It is impolite to criticize your host; it is militarily stupid to criticize your allies."
"By that rule, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is not competent to lead America's armed forces. First, his failure to build coalitions with U.S. allies from what he dismissively called "old Europe" has imposed far greater demands and risks on American soldiers in Iraq than necessary. Second, he alienated his allies in the U.S. military, ignoring the advice of seasoned officers and denying subordinates any chance for input."
More here:
http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.ph...on/edeaton.php
To call any person that has dedicated their lives to the defense of this country an Anti-American Defeatists simply because their expert opinion differs from that of the CIC, who didn't serve, is so telling of Bush and his sheep.
The government was set up in a way so as to be questioned by it's citizens, to not question your government's actions and motives is un-American.
The fact that these men are able to stand up against the plans of the administration is the exact reason why they have been fighting for that right all their life. To call them Anti-American Defeatists is simply disrespectful. They have a job that demands everyones respect, and a job that not many want.
Way to support the troops.
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The government was set up in a way so as to be questioned by it's citizens, to not question your government's actions and motives is un-American.
The fact that these men are able to stand up against the plans of the administration is the exact reason why they have been fighting for that right all their life. To call them Anti-American Defeatists is simply disrespectful. They have a job that demands everyones respect, and a job that not many want.
Way to support the troops.
The words of other experts call into question their loyalty to this country as well their reason for coming forward in a public forum at a time of WAR. This cabal only represents 1 in 1000 as far as generals go. Certainly not a groundswell, those who HAVE served have spoken out in defense of Rumsfeld and against this cabal.
For those generals failures, it is a good thing they have gone.
For those generals failures, it is a good thing they have gone.
They took an oath to protect the US from enemies foreign or domestic. And apparently they see Rummy as a domestic threat to the US or they wouldn't have spoken up and requested he resign.
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| "We need to continue to fight the global war on terror and keep it off our shores," General Swannack said in a telephone interview. "But I do not believe Secretary Rumsfeld is the right person to fight that war based on his absolute failures in managing the war against Saddam in Iraq." |
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No, Rumsfeld and Bush has screwed up this so-called war right from the start. It's too bad that these generals didn't push back from the start. But Bush and Rumsfeld are simply unable to EVER take personal responsibility for anything, and this is just another example of how morally bankrupt they truly are.
Originally Posted by Flagger The words of other experts call into question their loyalty to this country as well their reason for coming forward in a public forum at a time of WAR. This cabal only represents 1 in 1000 as far as generals go. Certainly not a groundswell, those who HAVE served have spoken out in defense of Rumsfeld and against this cabal. For those generals failures, it is a good thing they have gone. |
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Well guess what, they have failed and Rumsfeld is going nowhere. Shameful what these six have done, absolutely shameful. Their words from months ago paint a far different picture.
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Originally Posted by Danelle78 They took an oath to protect the US from enemies foreign or domestic. And apparently they see Rummy as a domestic threat to the US or they wouldn't have spoken up and requested he resign. |
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| Thus, for distinguished officers to step forward and, in retrospect, pin blame on one person is wrong. And when they do so in a time of war, the rest of the world watches. |
Good editorial from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:
"Dereliction of Duty" began as a doctoral dissertation written in 1997 by a bright young Army officer named H.R. McMaster. It is a study of the failures of senior military officers to speak their minds in the early years of the Vietnam War. Gen. Shelton and his boss, then-Defense Secretary William Cohen, told their officers not to repeat those mistakes.
"(Ironically, Col. McMaster now commands the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment and was responsible for the counter-insurgency program in Tal Afar that Bush cites as evidence that U.S. strategy in Iraq is viable.)
"The military's officer corps, both active and retired,…"
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http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-duty-...18/1580597.htm
Moderator edited for copyright purposes ~Adina
"Dereliction of Duty" began as a doctoral dissertation written in 1997 by a bright young Army officer named H.R. McMaster. It is a study of the failures of senior military officers to speak their minds in the early years of the Vietnam War. Gen. Shelton and his boss, then-Defense Secretary William Cohen, told their officers not to repeat those mistakes.
"(Ironically, Col. McMaster now commands the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment and was responsible for the counter-insurgency program in Tal Afar that Bush cites as evidence that U.S. strategy in Iraq is viable.)
"The military's officer corps, both active and retired,…"
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http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-duty-...18/1580597.htm
Moderator edited for copyright purposes ~Adina
"Does their allegiance to duty, honor and country necessarily include Donald Rumsfeld?
No it does not. These men are warriors and patriots. Attention should be paid."
Just thought this point needed more emphasis. I wonder what Col. Hackworth would be saying?
No it does not. These men are warriors and patriots. Attention should be paid."
Just thought this point needed more emphasis. I wonder what Col. Hackworth would be saying?
Rumsfeld made changes that upset the old guard…change always does that. IMHO, as to the ex-generals, I believe they are called disgruntled ex-employees. BTW, Tommy Franks who actually ran the war supports Rumsfeld.
BTW, one can read just what Zinni had to say way back in February 2000 (under Clinton, BTW) about IRAQ and their WMD programmes.
http://armed-services.senate.gov/sta...0/000229az.pdf
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Quite different from the tune he has been playing lately based on what he told Russert recently on MTP:
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ZERO credibility.
Guess which General was directly responsible for training Iraqi security forces? Yep, you guessed it Gen. Paul Eaton. (Retired) Wasn't someone here complaining about how well that training program was going?
BTW, one can read just what Zinni had to say way back in February 2000 (under Clinton, BTW) about IRAQ and their WMD programmes.
http://armed-services.senate.gov/sta...0/000229az.pdf
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| While Iraq's WMD capabilities were degraded under UN supervision and set back by Coalition strikes, some capabilities remain and others could quickly be regenerated. Despite claims that WMD efforts have ceased, Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions, and is concealing extended-range SCUD missiles, possibly equipped with CBW payloads. .... Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Arabian Gulf region. This is primarily due to its large conventional military force, pursuit of WMD, oppressive treatment of Iraqi citizens, refusal to comply with United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCR), persistent threats to enforcement of the No Fly Zones (NFZ), and continued efforts to violate UN Security Council sanctions through oil smuggling. |
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| "I was hearing a depiction of the intelligence that didn't fit what I knew. There was no solid proof, that I ever saw, that Saddam had WMD. |
Guess which General was directly responsible for training Iraqi security forces? Yep, you guessed it Gen. Paul Eaton. (Retired) Wasn't someone here complaining about how well that training program was going?
Well, the Bush Admin has repeatedly taken the stand that it's our way or the highway. The army needs to be adaptable, you can not win a war by simply staying the course.
When you don't step back during war time and question the people in charge bad things can happen. You have to look at every scenario and have a plan for every one. These guys haven't done that. They fact that "retired" generals are speaking against Rum. is of little meaning. This admin PURGED those who didn't see things they way they wanted.
War time is not the time to have a bunch of "yes men" behind the power. I'm glad these generals have come forward and I hope more do.
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General Schwarzkopf warned us in 01/2003. Too bad more didn't speak up with him then.
When you don't step back during war time and question the people in charge bad things can happen. You have to look at every scenario and have a plan for every one. These guys haven't done that. They fact that "retired" generals are speaking against Rum. is of little meaning. This admin PURGED those who didn't see things they way they wanted.
War time is not the time to have a bunch of "yes men" behind the power. I'm glad these generals have come forward and I hope more do.
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| General Schwarzkopf praised his former comrade-in-arms, US Secretary of State Colin Powell, but said he was "somewhat nervous" about comments made by the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. "When he makes his comments, it appears that he disregards the Army," he was quoted as saying. "He gives the perception when he's on TV that he is the guy driving the train and everybody else better fall in line behind him - or else." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2705275.stm |
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