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Hello!<br>
I'm trying to stay calm, but I am alarmed-- DS1 and DS2 are both un-circ'd, but DH is, so we are at a loss for what's "normal". DS1 is 4 and has had no issues whatsoever....However...<br><br>
DS2 is 2.5 and has been complaining that his penis hurts whenever he has an erection (up to several times a day). I asked him to show me where it hurts and he pulls back his own foreskin (he's been playing with it a lot lately, so I had guessed it is retracting) and I can see that all along the top, about 2/3 of the way around the foreskin retracts beautifully. The bottom 1/3, on the underside, however, appears to be completely fused. I can't even see where one tissue ends and the other begins. Is that normal?? I had always pictured it being more "like a fingernail" in that while the two tissues were fused together, there were still two distinct layers. Was I wrong? I'm concerned that maybe there is a problem.<br>
I know the other "retraction issues" thread says it's normal for some parts to remain fused, but I guess I'm a bit unclear on the definition of "fused"--- should there still be two distinct layers of tissue-- glans and foreskin, or is it normal to look like just one solid, unified piece of skin?<br>
Other than that, his penis looks pretty healthy. A little red now and then, but he can't seem to keep his hands off it, so it's no surprise. No complaints of pain when urinating, etc.-- only when he has an erection. I hope this makes sense--<br><br>
Advice, please!<br>
TIA<br>
Kelly
 

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Maybe you're just seeing the frenulum. That attaches the foreskin to the underside of the penis and goes up to the urethral opening on the underside. (In circ'd it is just a groove, sometimes.)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Hello!<br>
I'm trying to stay calm, but I am alarmed-- DS1 and DS2 are both un-circ'd, but DH is, so we are at a loss for what's "normal". DS1 is 4 and has had no issues whatsoever....However...</div>
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No problem that's why we're here.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">DS2 is 2.5 and has been complaining that his penis hurts whenever he has an erection (up to several times a day). I asked him to show me where it hurts and he pulls back his own foreskin (he's been playing with it a lot lately, so I had guessed it is retracting) and I can see that all along the top, about 2/3 of the way around the foreskin retracts beautifully. The bottom 1/3, on the underside, however, appears to be completely fused. I can't even see where one tissue ends and the other begins. Is that normal??</div>
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Ok, so I am a bit confused so I am going to try and explain while at the same time figuring out where you are. When your son(s) are fully able to retract they will look in many ways similar to your circumcised husband. That is to say the foreskin would be behind the head where the head curves into the penis. On the underside, where the head comes around to a V, there will be an attachment of skin called the frenulum. It will always be attached and is not unlike the one under your tongue. Your husband may or may not still have this depending on how much they removed.<br><br>
From your description, correct me if I am wrong, your son can only retract about 2/3rd meaning it doesn't get completely behind the head. If that is the case an erection might be putting pressure on the tissue that is still attached to the head causing discomfort. This might continue until it breaks itself loose or the erections may also eventually stretch it enough even before it breaks loose.<br><br>
If, on the other hand you're talking about the frenulum, it could be the frenulum is a bit short though I am not sure that this is diagnosable or occurs before adolescence. If that turns out to be the case there are non surgical ways to deal with it.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I had always pictured it being more "like a fingernail" in that while the two tissues were fused together, there were still two distinct layers. Was I wrong? I'm concerned that maybe there is a problem.<br>
I know the other "retraction issues" thread says it's normal for some parts to remain fused, but I guess I'm a bit unclear on the definition of "fused"--- should there still be two distinct layers of tissue-- glans and foreskin, or is it normal to look like just one solid, unified piece of skin?<br>
Other than that, his penis looks pretty healthy. A little red now and then, but he can't seem to keep his hands off it, so it's no surprise. No complaints of pain when urinating, etc.-- only when he has an erection. I hope this makes sense--<br><br>
Advice, please!<br>
TIA<br>
Kelly</div>
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I don't think there is a problem. Initially, it is fused like you described. But on the underside the frenulum will 'blend into the head where the head comes to a V and this will always be that way. I hope this helps feel free to ask more questions if something isn't clear, that's why we're here. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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It definitely includes the area of the frenulum, but it covers more area than that....using a clock face for reference, it is "fused" from about 4:00 to 8:00.<br><br>
edit to respond to "jwhispers":<br>
thanks for the lengthy response-- I think it does seem like the first scenario you describe-- that the attached areas are being tugged....to clarify, when I say 2/3 retracted, I mean 2/3 *around*...not 2/3 of the way *back*, if that makes sense. Meaning there is still an area towards the tip that is not retracted, while other areas are. (like my clock reference above)<br>
Geez, it's difficult to describe this accurately, lol!<br>
Thanks for your patience and advice!<br>
I will keep my eye on it. I hesitate asking his ped bc I don't want to open an unnecessary can of worms. She's been good about leaving it alone so far and I don't want to give her a reason to change...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It definitely includes the area of the frenulum, but it covers more area than that....using a clock face for reference, it is "fused" from about 4:00 to 8:00.</div>
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Ok so my best guess at this point is that he still has some attachment left and the erections are pulling on that which could cause some soreness. You may or may not have noticed this with your other son but the foreskin will be completely separated when he can retract the skin fully behind the head. You should be able to see where the head curves into the penis all the way around. The frenelum will only be attached at a very narrow point on the very back. So it seems he has a bit more to go.<br><br>
ETA: I don't see any reason to ask the ped at this point there isn't much he/she can do it is something of a growing pain.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Ok so my best guess at this point is that he still has some attachment left and the erections are pulling on that which could cause some soreness. ... So it seems he has a bit more to go.</div>
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That was exactly my first reaction....until I looked at it very closely and was surprised to see exactly *how* fused it really was. In keeping with the strict "leave it alone" mantra I'd been following with both kids, I truly never looked that closely. DS1 never complained, so I had no reason to critically inspect it before. I'm very relieved to hear that you tend to agree.<br><br>
Thanks again!<br>
Kelly
 
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