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My eight year old is in a historical play right now about the Warsaw Ghetto. She just began rehearsals for the play, and announced to me that at the end, the children are taken on a train to the country where they are safe from the Nazis. This is a misunderstanding on her part. The children are told they are being taken to the country, when in fact they are being taken by the Nazis to a death camp.
We have discussed the holocaust before, but I have focused the conversation on the resistance efforts, rather than on the horrific parts of it.
I think I am going to have to talk to her about this tomorrow before her next rehearsal. What language can I use to tell this tragic story? Ideas?
 

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You can read the Diary of Anne Frank together. I would keep the language simple. Explain the lie that they were told so that they would get on the train without resisting. At 8 you don't need to delve deep into the politics of the time she just needs an understanding of what the Nazi's were doing.

You can also read 6 Million Paper Clips http://www.amazon.com/Six-Million-Pa.../dp/158013176X.
 

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YMMV, but with my very sensitive 8 year old, I leave the denial in place when she makes up a story to protect herself from realities she's not yet ready to deal with.

When she was littler, we went to the serpentarium at feeding time because she loves reptiles. It was more graphic than we had prepared for to see a dead bunny eaten whole. dp got worried it was too much until dd piped up, "Did you see the snake eat the pretend bunny?"

At 8 she is able to handle most predation (but Walking with: before Dinosaurs had "too much eating" so she stopped watching it).

She knows the basics of WWII and that the Nazis tried to kill all of the Jews so that they could wipe them out completely. But the details and how it affected children would be more than she could absorb right now.
 

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YMMV, but with my very sensitive 8 year old, I leave the denial in place when she makes up a story to protect herself from realities she's not yet ready to deal with.
Same thing here. I think 8 is awfully, awfully young to have to deal with all that right now, and there's no real reason why she needs to know it all at this time. I have a hard enough time dealing with it as an adult when it comes to mind - it's just a lot harder for some than others, partly depending on one's imagination and how deeply things may stick in a visual way. If a child is already involved in the drama/tragedy of all that's in that play, the grim reality will tend to hit her a lot harder than just an audience member. Lillian
 

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Wow, I realize you're in a bit of a bind now, but how did she possibly end up being cast in a play about the Warsaw ghetto without it having been assured in advance that she would have the understanding, the maturity and the coping skills to deal with the issues arising from the plot?

A lot depends on the sensitivity of your child. If she is very sensitive and you think she will not end up in discussions where other members of the cast will be revealing the unpleasant truth of the matter, you could consider leaving things as they are. If you feel the best choice is to reveal the truth gently I think Hanna's Suitcase is an excellent choice for doing so. You could tell her you found a great readaloud that's about the same historical period and go through it gradually with her. There's a contemporary "historical mystery investigation" that helps create a little emotional distance from the actual historical facts, even though nothing is sugar-coated.

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Another good book is When Hitler Stole Pink Rabbit. It is told from the point of view of a young girl whose friend is Jewish.
 

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YMMV, but with my very sensitive 8 year old, I leave the denial in place when she makes up a story to protect herself from realities she's not yet ready to deal with.
This is my thought as well. Maybe she'll read or see the play in a few years and realize she was mistaken about the ending, but ther's no real need to push it now.

Even if she does understand the Holocost in general, it's not "impossible" for this particular set of characters to have been saved. Lots of individuals were saved, although millions died.
 

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When my oldest was 8, he read Snow Treasure, which is about Swiss (is it?) kids hiding gold from the Nazis on their sleds as they take it to safety. He told me then "The Nazi's killed everyone, but they didn't kill the children". He thought because the children in the book were safe, that all the children were safe. Maybe he didn't really beleive it-- maybe he simply needed to believe that. Either way, I let that thought be. Children being gassed alive in death chambers is not exaclty helfpul information for a small child.

He was a *very* sensitive child, so I know I did the right thing. I didn't lie. I said nothing. Which might be a sin of omission, but it was the right thing at the time.

He's currently a history/gov/law major in college. Leaving that be was not a problem.
 

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Thanks for some great literature suggestions.
Also, I found this link to the Holocaust Museum's Teacher's Guide which has some really insightful tips on how to go about discussing the holocaust in a sensitive and meaningful way.
http://www.ushmm.org/education/foreducators/guideline/

Because of who my kid is and who I am, I feel the need to be honest about the situation. I respect that not everyone would let their kids know about things like that so early, but I feel certain that it is the right thing for our family.
She already knows generalities about what happened in the holocaust. Thus far I've kept it simple and focused on people's choices to either cooperate or resist.
I don't believe in intentionally confronting children with brutality in order that they "learn" the ways of the world, but neither do I believe in sheltering them from the truth, especially in a context such as this. Often you have an opportunity in life to experience something of tremendous value that is also painful.
My daughter has always wanted with all her heart to be in a stage play.
Now she has the opportunity to be in a play that is incredibly powerful, with a supportive and interesting group of people, that touches on really critical historical events and moral issues and is intelligent, funny, and life-affirming as well as heart-breaking. What she has to gain from this experience is monumental, so I am choosing to allow her to also experience grief about this unimaginable tragedy in our world's recent past. While it brings up big feelings, I don't think learning about a painful history is going to traumatize her the way that the experience of actually being unsafe traumatizes people.
I think there are ways that we adults can use language that makes these topics more manageable for children to process, and that reassure them that they are protected, and that there are always positive things going on spiritually and practically that are a comfort in the face of the bad things that happen in the world.

My approach is right now is to try to offset the very real tragedy of the play with stories that give meaning to the historical events. Stories that celebrate the cultures of Europe (Jewish and gentile), that profile interesting and good people from that time period, stories that focus on resistance efforts and escapes, or that focus on the importance of honoring the tragedy in some way. (Six Million Paper Clips is a great example of this- it is once removed from the events itself, but honors the memory.)
I've read a fair amount about trauma, and worked with trauma survivors. Nowhere have I ever heard of a person developing PTSD from learning about a tragic historical event as a child. However, many many people will experience a life-altering trauma before becoming an adult. That is something that we as parents cannot prevent, and to pretend the danger of this is not real is to do a disservice to our children. One of my goals as a parent is to help my kids develop the resiliency and emotional strength they need for life's difficulties.
Studies show that one of the greatest factors in someone's resiliency during trauma is their ability to hold on to meaning in a traumatic situation.
Therefore, we have a great opportunity when we look at a situation that is tragic but no longer happening to give our child tools that can help them should they ever face a traumatic event in their own lives.
It is also an opportunity to help them develop the moral clarity that could prevent such an event from happening in the future. They may be called upon to do this even as young people, and we must not underestimate their power or importance in the world. When it comes to developing moral clarity, we simply have no time to waste, IMO.
Peace.
 

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Hm, I didn't grow up in the US, so that might color my glasses, but I would be very honest with my explanation. "During WWII many families lost their lives in concentration camps: the old and the young. It is a tragic part of history. The families were taken to the camps on the trains."

If there were more questions - I'd answer honestly (I wouldn't get into details of "how" at that age). We discussed these things from very early on in our family, but then again, I did grow up in Ukraine, and half of my family is of Jewish origin, and the other half is Slavic. It was just the facts we knew - out immediate family members lost their lives in WWII. I can't even tell how young I was when this was shared. It seems like I've grown up knowing the horrors of concentration camps. One of the last things we did before coming to the US is visiting Warsaw Ghetto.

Naturally, there are exceptions to every rule. If I did have extremely sensitive child - I'd spare them the knowledge.

Best of luck with this difficult topic.
 

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I think it depends a lot on the child, whether they'd be able to handle the truth yet, and that's up to the parent.

I don't think there's a PROBLEM if a child 'misunderstands' what's actually happening in a play they're participating in. In fact, I think that's quite common in plays and movies.

One example I know of, is the little kid who was in the Shining. Apparently, at the time, he didn't know ANYTHING about the plot of the movie. He didn't know how creepy he was supposed to be, cycling around saying 'redrum redrum'. He didn't know that his character was looking at dead twin girls and walls covered in blood.

He just did what the directors told him. "Pedal over here now. Say these words. Hum this song. Look scared!"

He had a lot of fun doing it. It was only when he was a lot older that he realized what the movie was about. He was just way too young to be able to handle that kind of horror.
 

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Wow, I realize you're in a bit of a bind now, but how did she possibly end up being cast in a play about the Warsaw ghetto without it having been assured in advance that she would have the understanding, the maturity and the coping skills to deal with the issues arising from the plot?
I think......I think knowing would lose the integrity of the character. The child doesn't know - even in the middle of truly living the war, a child doesn't know how bad it is, what will happen.

To remain true to the character, a lack of understanding at this point is probably best. Let her act happy to get on the train, unaware. It adds another dimension for the audience. She simply doesn't have the maturity to know the horrors and pretend they're not happening at the same time.

After the play...that is the time to delve deeper, to show what really happened.
 

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Ooh, that's a very good point LilyGrace! Yes, that's much more authentic for her to be unaware!
Which makes me weep. Think of the millions of parents who knew exactly what was happening to them and their beloved children, but didn't tell them.

Car you even imagine? My god.
 

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It's like that "Life is Beautiful" movie (which did make me weep)... I wonder if that young actor knew the story he was portraying...
 

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It's like that "Life is Beautiful" movie (which did make me weep)... I wonder if that young actor knew the story he was portraying...

I was thinking of scenes from that movie, I just couldn't remember it's title.

Yk, too, I was thinking it's like when a toddler asks about where babies come from. You answer the questions...try to keep to what she's asking...and then later add in more details as they need them. I was OK with with saying "Yeah, the Nazis killed millions of people" to my 8 yr old who asked no more and assumed something safe for his own emotional place at the time. If he had said, "They shot and gassed all the children too, didn't they?" I would have said "They did" and then talk about how people now realize that was beyond horrible and are working to make sure it never happens again.
 

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Yk, too, I was thinking it's like when a toddler asks about where babies come from. You answer the questions...try to keep to what she's asking...and then later add in more details as they need them. I was OK with with saying "Yeah, the Nazis killed millions of people" to my 8 yr old who asked no more and assumed something safe for his own emotional place at the time. If he had said, "They shot and gassed all the children too, didn't they?" I would have said "They did" and then talk about how people now realize that was beyond horrible and are working to make sure it never happens again.
Is it embarrassing to say I didn't understand exactly what millions meant until I visited the Holocaust museum in D.C.? I heard the numbers, I knew what the numbers were, I could recite the history forward and back...but until I saw the shoes, I simply didn't comprehend that each of those numbers belonged to a pair of shoes; to a person standing in them with hopes and dreams and fear...
 
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