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<a href="http://www.startribune.com/crime/story/1378695.html" target="_blank">I'm totally outraged by this.</a><br><br>
I'm not sure there's much to say beyond that.
 

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Very sad. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:<br><br>
Yuck.
 

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disgusting.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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This reminds me of a story DH told me. His secretary's DH was giving a sales pitch (scheduled, by appointment - something to do with a fleet of cars or something) to a roomful of businessmen when he saw a woman being severely beaten on the street outside (she was on the ground semi-conscious and he was still kicking her). He excused himself and went out to stop it, calling the cops and holding the perpetrator until they arrived. When they got there, he gave a statement and went back to the meeting where he was promptly thrown out and told not to come back because the businessmen didn't approve of his "behavior."<br><br>
People have argued with me that the businessmen were perfectly justified in throwing the guy out because "business is business." I strongly disagree with that. I think humanity trumps business. I would have been more willing to do business with someone of such demonstrable character.<br><br>
Anyway, OT, but this incident reminds me of that. People can be awfully callous.
 

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Yes, in one of my first year psych classes we learned about a story in New York where a woman was brutally raped and beaten for over FOUR hours. She screamed her lungs out. This happened in her apartment on a busy road where something like 70 residents were interviewed after the fact. They all said that they heard the screams and pleas for help, but a) didn't feel it was any of their business b) were scared to intercede c) didn't think it was real.<br>
Four hours is a long damn time to be screaming your head off begging for help.<br>
This story has been studied and examined by hundreds of thousands of students and researchers alike.<br><br>
I was totally disgusted. If I see people screaming at each other in public I'll watch until they calm down, if ever they should stirke each other, I either interrupt and break it up or call for back up.
 

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I've heard you are supposed to yell "FIRE!!!!" instead if you are being assaulted, because people are much more likely to respond (or call 911 or whatever).<br><br>
I lose more faith in human nature every day.
 

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Horrible. I am disgusted too. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:
 

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Now that it's really sunk in for a minute....<br><br>
How could people walk by a rape in progress???? Even if you thought it might be consensual, wouldn't you call the police because people were having sex in an apartment hallway???? I cannot even wrap my head around this. Ugh.
 

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Yeah, Fiestabeth.<br><br>
You know, I can't help but wonder how differently this might have played out if the victim were a man--or, really, if there were no victim at all and the two <i>participants</i> were men.<br><br>
It does make me wonder. Gah.<br><br>
You know, I'm also maybe even more appalled than I might be because this happened in the Twin Cities. I lived there for nearly a decade and, honestly, I expect more from the people there, even with the event that happened in Uptown (they refer to it at the end of the article I linked).
 

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That is so disgusting. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, in one of my first year psych classes we learned about a story in New York where a woman was brutally raped and beaten for over FOUR hours. She screamed her lungs out. This happened in her apartment on a busy road where something like 70 residents were interviewed after the fact. They all said that they heard the screams and pleas for help, but a) didn't feel it was any of their business b) were scared to intercede c) didn't think it was real.<br>
Four hours is a long damn time to be screaming your head off begging for help.<br>
This story has been studied and examined by hundreds of thousands of students and researchers alike.<br><br>
I was totally disgusted. If I see people screaming at each other in public I'll watch until they calm down, if ever they should stirke each other, I either interrupt and break it up or call for back up.</div>
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Yeah, that is the Kitty Genovese case, referrred in the last paragraph -<br><br>
"It also calls to mind the 1964 murder of Kitty Genovese, who was stabbed to death outside an apartment building in New York. Although many people watched from their windows, no one stepped in or immediately called for help."<br><br>
This terrifies me, that people won't get involved.<br><br>
In addition to yelling "fire" I've also heard that if you are being victimized and people are watching, you should point to a person and specifically ask them to call 911. That way they know *they* are responsible, and not think "someone else will do it."<br><br>
I also will not hesitate to get (safely) involved, and will watch situations that seem sketchy. Not patting myself on the back, but I am just so bothered by this that I think I go out of my way to not be like those people that do nothing.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">This reminds me of a story DH told me. His secretary's DH was giving a sales pitch (scheduled, by appointment - something to do with a fleet of cars or something) to a roomful of businessmen when he saw a woman being severely beaten on the street outside (she was on the ground semi-conscious and he was still kicking her).</div>
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Her husband, obviously, did the right thing. I'd rather not do business with people like that. Every one of those other men should be ashamed of themselves.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, in one of my first year psych classes we learned about a story in New York where a woman was brutally raped and beaten for over FOUR hours. She screamed her lungs out.</div>
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You are talking about Kitty Genevese, who is mention in the article linked in the OP. The story is a little more subtle and complicated than you indicate, but yes, it was terrible and served as a huge shock and a wake up call when it was reported in the press.
 

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I can believe it. I was assaulted in front of a group of men landscaping a yard. We were in an alley but they could clearly see us. When I stumbled towards them afterwards all messed up and crying and asked to use their cellphones to call the police, they said they didn't have one. One man had his phone in his hand and had been talking on it when I walked up. I begged them and still nothing. I had to instead walk the rest of the way to work and call from there. No one on the street who saw me stumbling and crying looking horrible called either or even asked if I was ok. People overall suck.
 

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Oh, muttix. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I can believe it. I was assaulted in front of a group of men landscaping a yard. We were in an alley but they could clearly see us. When I stumbled towards them afterwards all messed up and crying and asked to use their cellphones to call the police, they said they didn't have one. One man had his phone in his hand and had been talking on it when I walked up. I begged them and still nothing. I had to instead walk the rest of the way to work and call from there. No one on the street who saw me stumbling and crying looking horrible called either or even asked if I was ok. People overall suck.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"><br><br>
Oh that's awful. You're right, most people do totally suck. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I can believe it. I was assaulted in front of a group of men landscaping a yard. We were in an alley but they could clearly see us. When I stumbled towards them afterwards all messed up and crying and asked to use their cellphones to call the police, they said they didn't have one. One man had his phone in his hand and had been talking on it when I walked up. I begged them and still nothing. I had to instead walk the rest of the way to work and call from there. No one on the street who saw me stumbling and crying looking horrible called either or even asked if I was ok. People overall suck.</div>
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Oh mittux<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hug2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Hug2"> What's wrong with people!!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"><br><br>
I remember seeing something about the Kitty Genovese story on one of those cable show investigations about a year ago. The show was about adult peer pressure and crowd behavior. They also discussed that jail experiment that was done in the 1970s in CA?<br><br>
When they did the Kitty story, I literally could not sleep. I couldn't believe she was stabbed, got away and made it into a strairwell and then the attacker came back when he realized no one was helping her!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/gloomy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Gloomy">: <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mecry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="crying"><br><br>
When I was in law school, I woke up to some voices right outside my apartment door, just inside the main door. I heard the female tenant from upstairs say to someone, "What are you doing here? Who are you waiting for?" I thought it was strange so I looked thru the peephole but couldn't really see anything. But, I stayed there and then I saw a bit of a man and the next thing I heard was the tenant yelling! He grabbed her and dragged her out the front door and held her against the wall trying to rape her! I turned on my lights in hopes that it would spook him and called 911 right away. Apparently, that did because I heard her coming back in saying he ran and I opened my door and let her in. The cops were there very quickly and we both descriptions and they picked him up about 15 minutes later. What's really scary is the tenant worked very late and apparently this dude had followed her home for a couple of nights before and had basically been stalking her! That night he arrived right before she did, somehow got in even though those doors were locked, and was waiting on the steps for her!
 
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