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Okay, so now I've sewn quite a few diapers for ds. I've taken to sewing the elastic into the hidden layer. I've tried the inner and outer layers too. I'm really not fond of it only going through one layer. I've looked at a lot of my purchased dipes, and it seems that many WAHMs sew it through all of the diaper layers. How do they do it? I think I really prefer elastic sewn through all of the layers, but I can't for the life of me figure it out. I think it must be fairly simple, and I am just having a huge brain block. Can anyone help me out? Thanks!
 

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I have only made dipes with two or three full body layers, but what I do is sew the two (or three) layers together with a bit of a seam allowance and then sew the elastic on parallel to the seam, but I try to get it either right on top of the seam or actually in the seam allowance, and then turn.<br><br>
It dawns on me now that you might be serging your dipes, in which case I have no idea... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy"><br><br>
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Yeah, I guess I should have added that I serge them. I was doing an overlock stitch with my regular machine, but my folks came to visit... and, my mom left me her 20-year old Babylock. Yeah! It's a workhorse, and she bought a fancy new serger, so she didn't need it anymore. Thanks for the info though (as fickle as I am, I may decide next week that I like to TandT my dipes). Always good to have more insight.
 

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Newbie alert! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> What's a seam allowance?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I sew mine through all of the layers, right on top of the seam allowance of the serging, before turning right side out.</div>
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But i don't think she turns hers after serging, right? But I'm curious (b/c i just got a serger, but like the look of turned dipes), do you serge and then sew the elastic on with a zig-zag and then turn?<br><br>
Jenn, the seam allowance is just the fabric between the edge and the stitching. it is usually somewhere between 1/4 of and inch and 5/8 of an inch in. if you were using a prepared pattern rather than one you made yourself, it would tell you how big of a seam allowance you were supposed to have, so if it said 1/4 inch you'd like your fabric edge up to something (a lot of machines have marks but mine doesn't, unfortunately) 1/4 inch away from the needle. Does that make any sense at all? lol<br><br>
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I think that most of the WAHMs sew their elastic in blind. Meaning that they don't actually see the elastic when they sew it in (it's hidden in the layers). That way, it's sewn through all of the layers. It's something that I would <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"> to learn how to do. I've been waiting for forever for Jesse at the OSDS to update <a href="http://sewdiapers.com/" target="_blank">http://sewdiapers.com/</a> so that I can see how it's done...anyone want to provide a tutorial?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But i don't think she turns hers after serging, right? But I'm curious (b/c i just got a serger, but like the look of turned dipes), do you serge and then sew the elastic on with a zig-zag and then turn?<br><br><br>
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Oh, I should have caught on to that! I shouldn't have been answering posts late while tired I guess, LOL.<br>
I do exactly what you said. I serge, then sew the elastic w/zig zag stitch, then turn.
 

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I've got the same problem plus some. I put the elastic on two layers and then the third layer of fabric in merely serged w/ the rest. It doesn't look the greatest, but it was the only way I could get it to work. And this is for me, not any one else. I did invest in some pretty nylon colored thread for the upper looper, looks a lot like darling diapers bib trim.<br><br>
My biggest problem is actually getting the elastic to be stretchy enough and move like the diapers I have bought. I get the elastic in, but it doesn't have much stretch and then the diapers gap at the legs, and then I realize I've just wasted hours of my time and for what, the poop is still going to get out on my wool. I've tried on 4 diapers.<br><br>
I've tried zig zagging the elastic on and lastly stretching it out and straight stitching it on. I have a 1940 model Singer and the zig zag attachment is not like zig zagging on a modern machine, there is no 3 step zig zag.<br><br>
I'm thinking that I need to space my stitches out more, but I'm waiting for help from a new friend. I have two dipes cut and ready for help.<br><br>
I've only got 4 yrd of hemp fleece left, so I'd like not to screw up anymore. And I hate ripping seams, so it is doubtful that I will take apart the 4 defunct dipes unless I'm desparate.<br><br>
Adding: If all else fails, I suppose I could put the elastic in an encasement of hem tape or something similar. That is how the elastic was put in some old diaper pants I had as a child. Or encase it in the leg opening like a FB.
 

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I'll see if I can help.<br><br>
sewing elastic blind is right.. you put the elastic between your layers, tack that end down, then, pulling your elastic as you sew, you can kind of feel it through the layers. It takes practice and even now, if I'm not paying attention, I'll miss the elastic and have to re-do it.<br><br>
To practice, try using a knit or woven elastic so you can feel it better.<br><br>
But the problem with not getting enough stretch is the kind of elastic used. It get that REALLY stretchy but not too tight fit, you need clear or Lastin brand elastic. It's harder to sew with because it's more difficult to feel, but the fit result is awsome. The other drawback is that you really need a three step zig zag stitch to apply it. I've found that clearn and Lastin don't create a very nice fit if you only sew it to the inside or outside layer (personally I think the fit is awful *L*) or try to put it i a casing.<br><br>
For elastic in a casing, I think knit elastic is great stuff.. not as stretchy as lastin, but it also doesn't get too tight and leave marks on little legs like woven elastics tend to do (not all.. depends on the pattern.. knit elastic is just more forgiving)<br><br>
Creating a casing isn't hard to do in a turned diaper. I've never tried it in a serged diaper though.. seems like it would be a bit harder to do. I'm guessing it would be done like this.. give yourself an extra 1/4 inch seam allowance.. with layers wrong sides together (stacked just like the diaper will look when it's done.. tack down your elastic at each end.. then, straight stitch beside the elastic on either side being sure not to catch it in your stitches. Then, when you srege, serge carefully so that your needle threads line up with your outermost casing stitches. I don't know if any wahm actually does this.. it's just how I would do it if I wanted elastic in a casing but a serged diaper.<br><br>
If you don't have a three step zig zag and want to get the best stretch from your knit elastic, a casing is the way to go.. actually sewing it to the fabric all the way down the elastic reduces the range of stretch you can get from it.<br><br>
creating a casing one one layer with bias tape, or strips of something like suede cloth (thin, doesn't roll or fray) is a great idea too.. then, after you serge the diaper, you can go back and add a line of stitches on the inside edge of the elastic along the elastic (but not on the elastic) to sort of connect all the layers of the diaper so it would be almost like having elastic sewn through all layers.<br><br>
Hope that was a little helpful and not just confusing. Elastics make such a huge difference.. not only the kind, but how it's applied can make the diaper fit TOTALLY different. I think the elastic used and the way it's sewn make more difference than the diaper pattern shape itself.<br><br>
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Tippytoes -<br>
When you're blind sewing, HOW do you feel the elastic and stretch it??<br>
I use lastin (latex allergy) and cannot figure out how to do this by reading what you've said! (BTW, I always use T&T on my diapers, with lastin, and get a GREAT fit, much better then with my other, commercial dipes. I also don't use a 3-step zigzag on my ancient machine.)<br><br>
Do you take the layers of body, line them up, stuff the elastic inside, tack it and then hang onto it by reaching inside and pulling it taut?? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">
 

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Yay! Thanks Tippytoes for the tutorial...so let me get this straight. When constructing a diaper using the blind method it goes like this:<br>
Serged Diaper:<br>
1) Cut out the pieces.<br>
2) Sew in the elastic (blind method) through all layers of the diapers.<br>
3) Put in snaps (for hidden snaps).<br>
4) Serge diaper together.<br>
5) Put in remaining snaps or sew in aplix closure.<br>
6) Soaker should be put in at this point, if making a quick-dry version.<br><br>
Turned and Topstitched:<br>
1) Cut out pieces.<br>
2) Sew diaper together, inside out.<br>
3) Turn diaper out.<br>
4) Put in snaps (for hidden snaps)<br>
5) Put in elastic (blind method).<br>
6) Sew diaper closed and topstitch.<br>
7) Put in remaining snaps or sew in aplix closure.<br>
8) Soaker should be put in at this point, if making a quick-dry version.<br><br>
Does that sound about right?
 

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I've never tried stitching it blind in a turned diaper.. I think that would be a lot harder to do blind the way I do blind. Since my diapers with blind elastic are serged, I don't have to grapple inside the diaper with the elastic.. I have an open edge to work with and I can keep the top layer flapped up so I can check my elastic placement etc. I'm not sure really how to describe it .. this is the best example I could find right now <a href="http://www.diapersewing.com/prefold_to_fitted.htm" target="_blank">http://www.diapersewing.com/prefold_to_fitted.htm</a> .. you just put the elastic between the layers. Once one end has been stitched down, you pull the elastic to create tension (pull the elastic upward just a tiny bit), and then, because there is tension, you know where the elastic is between the layers. Keep pulling and stitchign until you come to the other end.. backstitch and that's it.<br><br>
My all in ones are turned and I use lastin in them because I LOVE the stretchy fit, but I simply sew it to the seam allowance. So lastin can be used in a turned diaper with great results. I've tried to make and purchased several AIO's that stitched lastin onto the inside microfleece layer only and that always left bad red marks on my dd's legs and the stretch was always poor.. but maybe on a heavier fabric it works great. I know it's fantastic in a seam allowance.<br><br>
I'm curious though.. without a three step zig zag, does the elastic tend to break easier? I was always told to use the 3 step to keep the elastic from breaking as well as to create a nice gather. I know you can get a vey nice gather with lastin with just a zig zag.... but I"m curious if that has had any effect on breakage or anything?? If not, that's awsome and I'll be able to tell my sewing customers that a zig zag will work fine.<br><br><br><br><a href="http://www.geocities.com/rew4birth/Fitted_Pattern_Instructions.html" target="_blank">http://www.geocities.com/rew4birth/F...tructions.html</a><br><br>
at this free diaper pattern site, she shows you how to stitch the elastic blind in a different way that might be easier for a turned diaper. She has you tack down the ends of the elastic to the inner layer. Then, once you turn it right side out, you can feel for this end, stitch through all layers, stretch the elastic and sew through all layers and the elastic to the other end of the elastic. That seems MUCH easier for a turned diaper than trying to fiddle with getting the elastic in later.<br><br>
I'm trying to remember how the CB pattern said to do elastic for a turned diaper, but for the life of me, I cannot remember. Anyone?<br><br><br>
bluenail you are right about your lists .. the only difference when I make my diapers is I put on hidden snaps before I do any sewing... but that's just because it's easier for me that way and keeps my layers lined up for when I put in my elastic.<br><br>
Now I'm really itching to try a "hidden" casing!! Too bad my dd doens't need diapers.. maybe she needs another night diaper.. yeah! That's it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Our FB always end up wicking right there at the stitching around the leg casing and it's frustrating to me.. but just sewing the elastic to the microfleece just doesn't create the fit I like.. I'm thinking free-moving elastic inside a hidden casing might be realy great! How fun!<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Jenn, the seam allowance is just the fabric between the edge and the stitching. it is usually somewhere between 1/4 of and inch and 5/8 of an inch in. if you were using a prepared pattern rather than one you made yourself, it would tell you how big of a seam allowance you were supposed to have, so if it said 1/4 inch you'd like your fabric edge up to something (a lot of machines have marks but mine doesn't, unfortunately) 1/4 inch away from the needle. Does that make any sense at all? lol<br><br>
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I think so. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> I've purchased the DD pattern - I'm just waiting for her to email it to me. That should clear it up completely. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> Thanks Jayne!
 

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Really? I just checked again, it's not here. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> I'm SURE you have my email but just in case <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> it's <a href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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Okay. I sewed my first dipe with the blind elastic. I used lastin, so it was a little hard to feel where it was, but I went kind of slow, and it seems to have worked out okay. It took a little longer to sew the elastic, but the serging went faster and more smoothly, because the layers were already being held together. I think the overall diaper construction actually took less time. I used a cotton print outer with two inner layers of sherpa. I put the elastic on top of the layers of sherpa and then the cotton print on top of that. I only had to feel for the elastic through the cotton print, so I think that made it easier. I'd like to try it on an all-hemp creation, but I think I need more practice stitching blind, before I try feeling the elastic through the thicker fabric. Thanks for all the good gauge!
 

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well, now i'm itching to try lastin. when you do the three step zig-zag on it, do you only hit the elastic in the middle so that the other two stitches are on either side of the elastic, or are they all supposed to hit the elastic?<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/oops.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="oops">T Amber, i keep meaning to send you <a href="http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=5091041&uid=1997118&members=1" target="_blank">this link</a> to my sewing album. Several of the dipes i've made from your pattern are in there. The pul one is working really well for us, btw. On that one, i just sewed the elastic into the seam allowance w/ no casing or topstitching. I'm hoping to get a chance to make a couple more today. I've really been neglecting my knitting lately. lol<br><br>
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I did see it somewhere.. on another board maybe?? Those are awsome! (wanna buy a license and sell them? *LOL* those are better than mine.. I'm still not all that great at topstitching). I made a PUL one a couple of weeks ago that is side aplix (I didn't like the front aplix or the side snap I made with PUL for some reason.. but the side aplix PUL ROCKS) and I put topstitching around the elastic. The one time I used it at night, it wicked just a TINY bit around the stitches after 10 hours.. not any worse than a FB does for us.<br><br>
But, what I prefer if putting the elastic into the seam allowance is lastin 3/8 inch (sewingsupply co-op on yahoo is a great place to get it cheap). If you mak the PUL at the legs just a little wider than the microfleece/suedecloth and then sew the elastic onto the PUL side of the seam allowance before you turn the diaper, it'll make the PUL roll inward just a little (even if you don't make the PUL wider, try sewing the elastic onto the PUL side of the seam allowance so it'll help soft of pull the PUL inward if that makes any sense.. it creates a nice neat look). You may have already known that and already done that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> but I thought I'd mention it just in case. If you get the chance, try the lastin sewn to the seam allowance.. it's great and gives much more range of fit for thighs than knit elastic sewn to the seam allowance. It doen't look quite as "tidy" but works awsome.<br><br>
Oh!.. about the PUL tending to fit smaller.. it's probably the suedecloth doing it. Since it doesn't stretch like fabrics you use in nonwaterproof pockets, it'll limit the sizing a little. If you can find stretchy suede cloth that works pretty well.. just make sure the PUL and SC both stretch wing to wing.<br><br>
Oh that note, I think I owe you a revised pattern. I didn't change much.. the wing on the size medium is a little cleaner and such.. nothing huge. I might have already sent you the revised version, but I can't remember for sure.<br><br>
Those look awsome though. Aren't you just in love with the side aplix? It takes a little more thought when sewing, but the fit just makes me happy each and every time. Oh! you should try a mock pocket.. I need to make my description a little better. Sew the contoured liner onto the right side of the inner most layer.. but instead of just sewing along the very top..go on around to the sides of the liner for about an inch to an inch and a half on both ends.. this helps the stuffer stay put inder the liner. Remember to sew your foldback tabs onto the liner or make them free-flapping (just tuck one end of the loop tab under the hook tab as you sew the hook tab on.. think bumkins covers aplix if you've ever seen one).<br><br>
Can you tell I'm just way too excited about this? You would not believe the testing I put into this to get a nice turned diaper... but it was fun and seeing how many you've sewn makes me so <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> that someone else loves them as much as we do!!
 

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oh.. three step.. should go<br>
stitch off elastic, stitch in the middle of elastic, stitch off elastic.. change directions stitch in middle of elastic, stitch off elastic, change direction, and so on.. the reasoning being that you want as few holes as possible in the clear elastic ... so the stitches that go off the elastic kind of makes a "casing" if you will for the elastic to run through holding the edges of it in place.. and the stitch in the middle helps determine the gather (like.. how close thos stitches are or how far apart will give you a different gather) and holds it into place. Good in theory.. VERY difficult to be absolutely consistent.<br><br>
I've seen it stitched on with a 3step so that all three stitches go through the elastic too and I've never had any probelm with them.. have probably even done it just like that myself a few times... so I don't really know if there's any real difference *L*.. That's why I was curious if the regular zig zag worked just fine.. seems like it should *shrug*<br><br>
I think as long as the elastic doesn't get a lot of needle strikes very close together (which will make it tear) a lot of stitches would work. I wouldn't use a straight stitch.. but other than that, I don't see how you could really go wrong.
 
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