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and we're getting desperate.<br><br>
DD is 21 mos. For the past two months she has been night-waking more and more. It used to be she would wake once or twice a week. It was not a problem as we could get her back down to sleep easily.<br><br>
She had an ear infection in Dec. and had trouble sleeping then. But the ear is better, she is healthy, although she has been getting her second molars. However this night waking is every night for 2 months, and I think that is more than what happens with teething.<br><br>
She now wakes at night around 1 or 2 am. She wants to be fed so we give her a bottle. We rock her and she will fall asleep. Even in a deep sleep, though, she will wake up and cry when we put her in the crib. It can take two hours or more to get her back down. Our ped. gave us the predicable advice of letting her cry for 15 min. We actually tried that once or twice in desperation, something I NEVER thought I would do, but she only becomes hysterical and then it takes longer to get her to calm down. Plus listening to it makes me completely anxious/nervous/upset and then I can't sleep when she finally does!<br><br>
We have tried taking her into bed with us but she will just toss and turn and keep us up, or else she just talks and wants to play.<br><br>
Oh, to top it off, she wakes often now at 5 am and she NEVER takes a nap anymore! She gave up naps at one year. Nothing has worked to get her to take one. SO there are some nights she is only sleeping 9 or 10 hours with no nap.<br><br>
She goes to bed at 7pm or 7:30, exhausted, of course. Putting her down earlier has only resulted in waking earlier in the morning. Like 4am.<br><br>
We have a predictable bedtime routine with bath, soothing story, etc. She has slept in her crib since she was very young...and that has always worked fine. She slept great until this past Dec.<br><br>
Her brother is 4 and has no sleeping trouble whatsoever, and never has. He was a great napper til age 3, sleeps 11+ hours a night. We thought we had this all figured out--hah!<br><br>
She appears to be dairy-sensitive but I'm not sure that plays a role. She has slept well at times when we know she's had some dairy (she has been able to eat yogurt without a problem, and some cheeses) and slept poorly other times when we've been careful to keep it out of her diet completely.<br><br>
Any ideas? We are so tired. My DH doesn't deal well with this at ALL. I might as well deal alone because of the problems it causes. Thanks for listening, mamas.
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> Sorry, mama, I don't have any advice but just wanted to offer hugs. Your dd is only a few weeks older than my Ds.
 

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I could of written your post! My daughter is waking up about 2 hrs after she goes to sleep or she is waking in the middle of night crying. Last night we struggled with bedtime and she ended up going to sleep at 10 and then waking up at 6:30. Towards morning she kept on waking up every so often crying.<br><br>
I haven't found a solution yet, but I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone<br><br>
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i have a 25 month old who sleeps very little. i wish i had advice. i personally think that some kids just aren't good sleepers. we really pushed for an earlier bedtime and initially it did make him get up earlier, around 4 0r 5 am. but then about a week into it he stopped. he still gets up early, around 6 but that is ok with me because he goes to bed around 6:30/7. I enjoy the evening time even if I do have to get up early. I just try not to stay up too late.Both of my kids seem to be on the same track of not sleeping. all of my friends have kids that supposedly sleep from like 7-7 or 8-8 without waking from very early ages. however a lot of them did baby wise like techniques that I was not willing to do so I am not sad. I am sleep deprived but I am enjoying my babies while they are still babies, one day they wont need us anymore and we will look back and miss the crazy nights.
 

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We co-sleep and always have and my 25 month old still wakes up 4 or 5 times a night (about every 2 hours) to nurse. I lay there at night and dream of night weaning so I can get some sleep. He has never slept well, even on a mattress beside our bed, with naps, without naps, etc. We have a bedtime routine. If I try to put him to bed sooner he actually stays up later singing and talking then if I wait till 9:30 to take him in to nurse him to sleep. So anyway, I don't know either, but for both of us lets hope things get better soon<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It sounds like it could be a bout of separation anxiety. Have you thought about bringing her into your bed until it passes?</div>
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Yes, as I mentioned in my post we have tried this several times but she won't sleep, she wants to talk and play or just roll around and complain that we are in her way, etc....she has said, "Daddy, move!" angrily...we can't seem to win here...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">i have a 25 month old who sleeps very little. i wish i had advice. i personally think that some kids just aren't good sleepers. we really pushed for an earlier bedtime and initially it did make him get up earlier, around 4 0r 5 am. but then about a week into it he stopped. he still gets up early, around 6 but that is ok with me because he goes to bed around 6:30/7. I enjoy the evening time even if I do have to get up early. I just try not to stay up too late.Both of my kids seem to be on the same track of not sleeping. all of my friends have kids that supposedly sleep from like 7-7 or 8-8 without waking from very early ages. however a lot of them did baby wise like techniques that I was not willing to do so I am not sad. I am sleep deprived but I am enjoying my babies while they are still babies, one day they wont need us anymore and we will look back and miss the crazy nights.</div>
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I know what you're saying, but I am severely sleep-deprived and I'm not sure I'm going to miss this!<br><br>
Maybe we will try an earlier bedtime again. If it would make her sleep through til at LEAST 4 then I would get a good stretch of sleep. As it is, last night I was in bed by 9:30. She was up at 1:30-2, pretty good considering her recent record. Then up at 4:30 and wouldn't go back down. She won't take a nap this morning, either, although she is exhausted and very cranky and clumsy. I've rocked, I've held, I've sung. My eyes burn from exhaustion, I have no energy. This is no way to live!<br><br>
Thanks to everyone else who responded, I don't have the energy to write anymore. I'm glad I"m not alone and I appreciate the support.
 

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For naps, on days my daughter would fight them I would I put her in the stroller or car for a bit, she would fall asleep. I don't know if that would work for your daughter. The only way I am surviving these night wake ups is napping when she is.
 

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Can you get her some outside time each day? I have noticed that both of mine sleep better if I can get them out for even just a bit each day. I hope you can get some rest soon!
 

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Yes it could be the dairy. I've read several places where dairy sentistivity/ allergies are associated with frequent nightwaking, and I think there are some threads on here from families who cut out dairy and saw great improvements.<br><br>
What about painful molars erupting?
 

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Yes, the molars are a concern. But for two mos? I haven't been able to get a good look in there recently to see.<br><br>
We do try to get outside as much as possible. Not always able to when it's in the teens here. Yesterday we did, she was up at 4:30 a.m. yesterday, up all day and wouldn't take a nap! Amazing. She fell asleep at 7pm, though, and slept all through the night for the first time in over a month. Of course DS had to wake at midnight, which he never does, but it was only for a minute.<br><br>
She will NOT nap. Very rarely will she fall asleep in the car. She's a tough nut, trust me...we've tried it all!<br><br>
Praying for another good night tonight!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yes, the molars are a concern. But for two mos?</div>
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It took almost 3 months for my DD's molars to come in. Worst months of my life...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">It took almost 3 months for my DD's molars to come in. Worst months of my life...</div>
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Wow. Hats off to you, you survived! I did feel a lumpy gum today so maybe she is working one through.<br><br>
And..I can't believe it, but she just fell asleep OUTSIDE in her swing! One minute she is yelling, "PUSH MAMA!" and the next she is dropping off. I took her out of the swing, plopped her in her crib, snowsuit and all (took off the boots, though). It's a bit late in the day, 3:45 when she fell asleep, but even a short nap might be good.<br><br>
So odd! Yesterday up from 4:30 a.m. to 7pm, no nap. Up at 6:30 today after sleeping straight through for the first time in I don't know how long--maybe once since Christmas--and now asleep for a nap.<br><br>
Never say never, I guess...
 

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here's my thought:<br>
it could definitely be the molars---i'm convinced my almost 17 mo DD has been teething since 11 weeks. she has always woken very often, and always crying/yelling.<br>
after trying many therapies, i am convinced its more to do with teething than anything else. she just got 4 1 yr molars in 3 weeks and has been miserable for the past 5 months i'd say.<br><br>
if your dd used to sleep better, it may just be that the pain/discomfort is waking her and then she just doesn't know how to get back to sleep. i have actually been talking a lot with my DD about what to do when she wakes up at night---i know, she's only 17 months, but i really think she's understanding.<br><br>
i hear her stir a lot in bed, now, and she doesn't wake up. i think she's learning how to make herself more comfortable on her own.
 

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it could definitely be the molars---i'm convinced my almost 17 mo DD has been teething since 11 weeks. she has always woken very often, and always crying/yelling.<br>
after trying many therapies, i am convinced its more to do with teething than anything else. she just got 4 1 yr molars in 3 weeks and has been miserable for the past 5 months i'd say.<br><br>
if your dd used to sleep better, it may just be that the pain/discomfort is waking her and then she just doesn't know how to get back to sleep. i have actually been talking a lot with my DD about what to do when she wakes up at night---i know, she's only 17 months, but i really think she's understanding.<br><br>
i hear her stir a lot in bed, now, and she doesn't wake up. i think she's learning how to make herself more comfortable on her own.</div>
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It makes sense. The Dr. saw a molar coming in in Jan. So there could be more on the way. I know the second ones do take a long time to come in.<br><br>
I like your idea about talking to her. I have said things like, "Nighttime is for sleeping. Doggie is sleeping, Kitty is sleeping, Daddy is sleeping etc. Time for you to sleep". But she just says "NO!" Maybe if I were more specific and talked about holding her doll etc. Also I don't like to overmedicate but it seems this might be a time to break out the Motrin more often. I have given her some a few nights, not sure how much it helped though. Maybe if I told her that it was going to make her sleep better she would go back down easier.<br><br>
Thanks for your ideas!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">She appears to be dairy-sensitive but I'm not sure that plays a role. She has slept well at times when we know she's had some dairy (she has been able to eat yogurt without a problem, and some cheeses) and slept poorly other times when we've been careful to keep it out of her diet completely.</div>
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see <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=460679" target="_blank">this thread</a> for the dairy behavior connection. is she nursing? if so, any dairy (or other foods she's sensitive to) can be passed to her through the milk. she might also be sensitive to soy or other foods, which clouds up the picture.<br><br>
re: teething, my dd2 has been getting her 2yr molars for forever (several mos). she has one bottom one in, the other bottom one halfway in and the 2 top ones have the sharp little points (?3 each) showing, with a patch of doomed gum filling in between them. her naps have been messed up for months. she used to sleep ~2hrs and wake up happy, now she wakes after 1hr crying every day. (thank goodness she sleeps ok at night, only 1-3 wakings).<br><br>
there are homeopathic teething remedies, most commonly <i>chamomilla</i> is used. and for "wakefulness," <i>coffee cruda</i>.<br><br>
good luck!
 

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<i>I have said things like, "Nighttime is for sleeping. Doggie is sleeping, Kitty is sleeping, Daddy is sleeping etc. Time for you to sleep". But she just says "NO!"</i><br><br><br><br><br>
My DD also shakes her head "no," but i still think she is starting to get it. last night, after nursing both sides and still not sleeping, i told her it was time for sleep and just rolled over and after about 10 seconds of whining, she lay down herself and went to sleep. she never does that with me in the bed---only with DH!!!<br><br>
So, even though yours may say no, she may still start to get it. i also have heard from 2 moms lately that once their kids' last teeth came in, they were like different children and slept much, much better. you're almost there!
 
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