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Warning lots of ranting! I know I haven't posted in this part of MDC before, I use to post a ton in cloth diapering, and a lot in the Trading post.... I hope you don't mind me posting here. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy"><br><br>
I took Abby for her 1 yr. check up today with the ped...(she's 13 months) we have to have checkups with her being on medicaid insurance... and since she's only had 2 checkups since birth I figured it was time.<br><br>
We put off an vaccinations until 1 yr. with Abby.. (with Sarah it was 18 months) and a couple months ago I told the ped. We would start them at a yr. but that I only wanted 1-2 at a time, and spread out. Well today I let her talk me into (well she just TOLD me and I didn't stand up like I needed to) 3... which is really like 50 considering all the freakin combo ones they do now. I HATE that.<br><br>
She had:<br>
pediarix #1 which is DTaP, Polio and Heb B<br>
Hib #1 (Meningitis<br>
Prevnar<br><br>
I had NO idea she was having prevnar until they gave me the sheet afterwards, when I was leaving and told them I HAD to have papers explaining what she had. They weren't even going to give them to me without me ASKING Grrr! All she said was it was for meningitis too (the 3rd shot). Well umm Stupid me should have questioned that more... she never mentioned prevnar and if she had it would have clicked that that one was for ear infections too and would have remembered it.<br><br>
I didn't want prevnar because my best friends dd who just turned 5 got TYPE 1 DIABETES from a respiratory infection the PREVNAR caused! She would have gotten the diabetes later around 10-13 years old, but instead it came at 18 months old. She has been on an insulin pump for 3 years and her's is really bad. It's an hour by hour thing... more insulin, more carbs, less carbs, more insulin etc. Her mama does an amazing job with her, and they eat REALLY healthy (all fresh/from scratch etc) and so far they have kept her from any damage but she unfortunately has several more years than most kids do before getting it.<br><br>
I didn't want the combo DTaP because it has the additives which I know aren't good, but what the heck can we do.... I can't find ANY ped. that's willing to split ANYTHING up, and medicaid wouldn't pay for it if they did agree anyway.<br><br>
I didn't want the Hep B because she's not sharing needles nor is she sexually active duh!<br><br>
The Ped said she wants her back in 6 weeks for another round of shots. Now I get home and I'm regreting it already and I DON'T want to take her back in 6 weeks, I mean I WON'T!<br><br>
But If we selective and delay vac what should she have, when should she have it, what SHOULDN'T she have?<br>
no vacs isn't an option with dh, but he's open to delaying and possibly selective too).<br><br>
The Ped also said that she could have had the MMR today, but that she can wait till next time. UMMM NO! And threw in at the end that they do the CHICKEN POX one combined now with the MMR. WHAT THE FREAKIN HECK?????<br><br>
I also want to add... ds Caleb had a REALLY hard time after his MMR, he seemed not himself ever again honestly and I remember asking Dh, is he always going to be grumpy now? He also got a high fever. The ped said it was from an ear infection (which he didn't have the day he got vacinated, but the next day when we took him back he did, so she blamed it on that).<br>
Caleb has Sensory Integration Disorder, OCD, and an Anxity Disorder and dh and I really really believe a lot of it could have been a reaction to the MMR... heck I have no clue what he had along with the MMR that day, so who knows it could have been another one, gosh I need to check on that too. Never thought about that.<br><br>
Rebecca was vaccinated as normal (we hadn't heard about the possibilities of autism etc at that point, nor any bad things from vacs at all), Sarah not until 1 1/2 yrs but then the ped we had tried to pump her full all at once. I believe she still needs some but I'm letting it slide as long as I can. (She hasn't been established at the new peds yet).<br><br>
So if you've read this, sorry for the rant, I just need to get some direction and advice. I don't have the energy to try to read and search all kinds of stuff, and I'm overwhelmed with the amount I've read online tonight, and have tried in the past to understand but sometimes it seems like there's only 2 sides, either vacs are all that, or the other side being don't have any. I really need to find a middle ground for us.<br><br>
Please spell it out for me, what, when, why, why not,<br><br>
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU, even if you just read a sentence of this!
 

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Okay. Take a step back. And a deep breath. And promise your child you won't do any more until you've researched. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hug.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hug"><br><br>
Go disease by disease and vaccine by vaccine.<br><br>
good luck!<br><br>
-Angela
 

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Angela... haahhhaaa<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> I just came on here to C&P what I just replied saying on another board (my sewing board).....<br><br>
I just talked a lot with dh about this.<br><br>
We aren't taking her back in 6 weeks, we AREN'T going to do anymore at ALL until we know what we think/want/believe. I need to do research and we need to really search our hearts and minds.<br><br>
dh said we KNOW Caleb was not the same after his MMR at all. That's when all his problems started really.<br><br>
I feel in my heart like we need to listen to the concern we are feeling.<br><br>
Dh told me we can wait another year or more, which is amazing considering how far he's come in his views on all this.<br><br><br><br>
Deep breath, I'm feeling much better about taking a step back. THANK YOU!
 

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Great news that he's already willing to step back. A year is a good amount of time to research. Sit down and start reading.<br><br>
I planned to selectively vax on a delayed schedule, but by the time I finished researching there were no vaxes left on my "to do" list.<br><br>
-Angela
 

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Good luck, don't get overwhelmed, and just don't take her back until you know what your plan will be. Is there a family practice doc near you that might be more open?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Warning lots of ranting! I know I haven't posted in this part of MDC before, I use to post a ton in cloth diapering, and a lot in the Trading post.... I hope you don't mind me posting here. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/innocent.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shy"><br><br>
I took Abby for her 1 yr. check up today with the ped...(she's 13 months) we have to have checkups with her being on medicaid insurance... and since she's only had 2 checkups since birth I figured it was time.<br><br>
We put off an vaccinations until 1 yr. with Abby.. (with Sarah it was 18 months) and a couple months ago I told the ped. We would start them at a yr. but that I only wanted 1-2 at a time, and spread out. Well today I let her talk me into (well she just TOLD me and I didn't stand up like I needed to) 3... which is really like 50 considering all the freakin combo ones they do now. I HATE that.<br><br>
She had:<br>
pediarix #1 which is DTaP, Polio and Heb B<br>
Hib #1 (Meningitis<br>
Prevnar<br><br>
I had NO idea she was having prevnar until they gave me the sheet afterwards, when I was leaving and told them I HAD to have papers explaining what she had. They weren't even going to give them to me without me ASKING Grrr! All she said was it was for meningitis too (the 3rd shot). Well umm Stupid me should have questioned that more... she never mentioned prevnar and if she had it would have clicked that that one was for ear infections too and would have remembered it.<br><br>
I didn't want prevnar because my best friends dd who just turned 5 got TYPE 1 DIABETES from a respiratory infection the PREVNAR caused! She would have gotten the diabetes later around 10-13 years old, but instead it came at 18 months old. She has been on an insulin pump for 3 years and her's is really bad. It's an hour by hour thing... more insulin, more carbs, less carbs, more insulin etc. Her mama does an amazing job with her, and they eat REALLY healthy (all fresh/from scratch etc) and so far they have kept her from any damage but she unfortunately has several more years than most kids do before getting it.<br><br>
I didn't want the combo DTaP because it has the additives which I know aren't good, but what the heck can we do.... I can't find ANY ped. that's willing to split ANYTHING up, and medicaid wouldn't pay for it if they did agree anyway.<br><br>
I didn't want the Hep B because she's not sharing needles nor is she sexually active duh!<br><br>
The Ped said she wants her back in 6 weeks for another round of shots. Now I get home and I'm regreting it already and I DON'T want to take her back in 6 weeks, I mean I WON'T!<br><br>
But If we selective and delay vac what should she have, when should she have it, what SHOULDN'T she have?<br>
no vacs isn't an option with dh, but he's open to delaying and possibly selective too).<br><br>
The Ped also said that she could have had the MMR today, but that she can wait till next time. UMMM NO! And threw in at the end that they do the CHICKEN POX one combined now with the MMR. WHAT THE FREAKIN HECK?????<br><br>
I also want to add... ds Caleb had a REALLY hard time after his MMR, he seemed not himself ever again honestly and I remember asking Dh, is he always going to be grumpy now? He also got a high fever. The ped said it was from an ear infection (which he didn't have the day he got vacinated, but the next day when we took him back he did, so she blamed it on that).<br>
Caleb has Sensory Integration Disorder, OCD, and an Anxity Disorder and dh and I really really believe a lot of it could have been a reaction to the MMR... heck I have no clue what he had along with the MMR that day, so who knows it could have been another one, gosh I need to check on that too. Never thought about that.<br><br>
Rebecca was vaccinated as normal (we hadn't heard about the possibilities of autism etc at that point, nor any bad things from vacs at all), Sarah not until 1 1/2 yrs but then the ped we had tried to pump her full all at once. I believe she still needs some but I'm letting it slide as long as I can. (She hasn't been established at the new peds yet).<br><br>
So if you've read this, sorry for the rant, I just need to get some direction and advice. I don't have the energy to try to read and search all kinds of stuff, and I'm overwhelmed with the amount I've read online tonight, and have tried in the past to understand but sometimes it seems like there's only 2 sides, either vacs are all that, or the other side being don't have any. I really need to find a middle ground for us.<br><br>
Please spell it out for me, what, when, why, why not,<br><br>
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU, even if you just read a sentence of this!</div>
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I recommend you get Dr R Mendelsohn's book "How to raise a healthy child" (Random House paperback). This is a book all parents should have, as it deals with virtually every health problem parents are likely to come across while bringing up a child. The book also advises parents what they can deal with themselves and when they need to consult a health professional.<br><br>
Also, look up the "Dr Mark Randall interview" on google, but avoid abridged Nexus Magazine version.<br><br>
The belief that vaccines prevent diseases is but a figment of some peoples' imagination, something they have been told and made the mistake of accepting as a fact. It's a multi-billion business. Vaccinations have NOTHING to do with disease prevention and have never prevented any diseases, let alone saved anyone's life. It's just a medical ritual which over time has become accepted as "normal", unfortunately by now not only in our culture, but worldwide. As Adam Weishaupt was said to have remarked many years ago: "Oh foolish man, what can't you be made to believe!"
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I didn't want prevnar because my best friends dd who just turned 5 got TYPE 1 DIABETES from a respiratory infection the PREVNAR caused! She would have gotten the diabetes later around 10-13 years old, but instead it came at 18 months old.</div>
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I saw this in another thread and responded there also, but<br><br>
How in the world could they possibly know that she would have gotten diabetes as a teenager???? I don't understand that.<br><br>
Be aware that other vaxes are also connected to onset of type 1 diabetes - namely, Hep B and Hib.<br><br>
Also, because I see from your sig that you are Christian - just want to make sure you are aware of all the <a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=397249" target="_blank">vaccines which contain aborted fetal cells</a>, and how those cells were obtained.
 

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Oh wow mamas. I had no idea on some of this stuff.<br>
I'm so thankful for all the helpful valuable info. you mamas are giving and helping direct me to.<br><br>
I knew my heart wasn't ok with this, I just wasn't sure why or what to do.<br><br>
I know now that I won't be doing ANY more at all until I read a lot more and find out what we feel is best.<br><br>
My friend said that it could have been Hib or prevnar that caused the type 1 diabetes, but the Dr's at Vanderbuilt (major major research hospital on diabetes) said she had it predisposed in her genes, and the respiratory infection brought out the disease years before it should have come. Does that make sense?<br><br>
I'm REALLY thankful though that you mentioned about the Hep B because that was one on my list that I wasn't sure would be unsafe, and wasn't sure why we shouldn't just give it now vs. later in life when it may apply (like if the child becomes a nurse etc. where it could be a risk etc). I will look more on that but I atleast have a red flag on that....<br><br>
So far it seems that Hib, Prevnar, Hep B aren't worth it...<br>
Polio seems somewhat safe and the disease can be really bad?<br>
DPaT I'm not sure at all on.<br>
NO MMR atleast till 3 yrs, maybe longer....<br>
Just the start of what I think so far.....<br><br>
Thank you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So far it seems that Hib, Prevnar, Hep B aren't worth it...<br>
Polio seems somewhat safe and the disease can be really bad?<br>
DPaT I'm not sure at all on.<br>
NO MMR atleast till 3 yrs, maybe longer....<br>
Just the start of what I think so far.....<br><br>
Thank you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</div>
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No cases of Polio in the US in decades.....<br>
DTaP is the single most reactive vaccine on the market in the US and highly ineffective....<br>
MMR- all diseases are mild...<br><br>
keep researching!<br><br>
-Angela
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">the Dr's at Vanderbuilt (major major research hospital on diabetes) said she had it predisposed in her genes, and the respiratory infection brought out the disease years before it should have come. Does that make sense?</div>
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Well, I see what they're hypothesizing but I don't really buy it. (No offense to you, OP - I just think that docs tend to spout BS whenever they don't really have an answer. KWIM?)<br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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There are medical professionals here on the board who refuse the Hep B vax. My DH is an EMT - I still haven't talked him out of his Hep B boosters ...<br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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DPaT I'm not sure at all on.<br>
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There is a ton of misinformation and outright lies about polio. You really need to research this one. Paralytic polio is almost unheard of in the US. As I understand it, people can have polio and not even know it.<br><br>
DTaP - highly reactive vax. Diphtheria is a disease of poor sanitation and crowded living conditions. Tetanus is rare in adults, and even rarer in children (despite what scaremongering docs will tell you). Pertussis seems to be the biggest worry here - and with good reason, it can be scary awful. But people have had great success treating P with sodium ascorbate.<br><br>
Why MMR? That was one that was easy for me to dismiss. They are, for the most part, benign diseases. Yes, there is the worry of a pregnant woman being exposed to rubella - but even that "risk" is hotly disputed. The more I study it and hear personal stories, the less inclined I am to worry about it.<br><br>
Plus, the MMR vax is cultured on aborted fetal cells.<br>
And then there's that undeniably omnipresent link to autism. How many people with autistic kids have said, "S/he was just fine until the MMR vaccine", or "My child changed almost in an instant after the MMR shot", or "My baby lost all verbal skills after their MMR", etc ...<br><br>
I've personally heard it from too many. Including my own son's therapist.
 

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Measles<br>
408 deaths in 1962 (vaccine introduced in 1963) (7,575 deaths in 1920)<br>
Mumps<br>
43 deaths in 1966 (vaccine introduced in 1967)<br>
Rubella<br>
24 deaths in 1968 (vaccine introduced in 1969)<br><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/pink/appendices/G/cases&deaths.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...ses&deaths.pdf</a><br><br>
To put those #s in perspective, 200 people are killed by lightning in the U.S. each year. M, M, and R death rates in the U.S. would be low by comparison, even without vaxes, especially in today's world.
 

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Oh mamas, you are helping me sooooo much!!!!! THANK YOU! I'm soaking it all in.<br><br>
I do feel a bit concerned though about knowing and doing the right thing if my kids were to get one of these diseases....<br><br>
Abby is 13 months and just weaned from the breast, does this decrease her protection now, if we choose not to get her vac'd anymore?<br><br>
And are there suppliments or things that I need to be giving my children to help them continue to form healthy immune systems to fight any of these diseases and build healthy normal immunity etc?
 

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<a href="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=406983" target="_blank">http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=406983</a><br><br>
Big thread on building immune systems using diet, etc.<br><br>
Other things that help support immunity: enough sleep, plenty of vigorous outdoor play, and, for some children, a predictable daily routine.
 

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Also, if your 13 mo old just weaned I'd see if she's interested in nursing a bit longer. Humans really need that support for a full two years minimum.<br><br>
-Angela
 

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Wow, it sounds like you were uncomfortable doing it in the first place and that your mind is already made up. I second the book recommendations and hope that everything works out.
 

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Thank you mamas! I am going to order a couple of the books recommended.<br><br>
That immune system link <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">: wohh a lot to learn and take in. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> It's all good stuff though, thank you!
 
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