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Ds had his 15mo check up (at 17 mo) last week. I have decided to not vax for chix pox or prevnar. I do choose to do the rest. This last visit, the dr said 'we can still get one more prevnar in before he turns 2' and I asked what happened when he turns 2 that he magically doesn't need the vax- she said the immune system is stronger then....ok, whatever. She says she's had 3 babies die from pneumoccal meningitis and she would feel really bad if he got it. I said we weren't doing it and that was that. When the nurse came in for the other vax (IPV and DTaP) she made me sign for the vaxes and also a waiver that I was refusing the others. The waiver basically said even though the dr said vaxes were best, I was refusing what they knew to be better and I took full responsibility for the outcome.<br><br>
Her arguement of the vax was the virus is so prevelant and it is easily preventable, so we should vax. I responded, with that logic, I should then skip the polio and she said, well, that's not around b/c we've been vaxing and we should keep vaxing. I know, talking in circles and all that.<br><br>
My question, buried in all this story, is have those of you who choose not to vax or selectively vax had to sign a waiver at well checks? I know some of you don't do well checks, so this is directed at those who do.<br><br>
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I know, doesn't make much sense. One argument for one vax, the complete opposite argument for another. I was a little surprised b/c she was more pushy about it than she had ever been and we've been seeing her since ds was about 4 mos old. I don't choose to argue about the things I disagree about most of the time. Not worth the effort and aggravation to try to convince someone I see for 15-30 min every few months. I do like her b/c she's not one to overuse antibiotics and she generally does listen pretty well. She's not going to convince me to change my mind, so I'm sure I won't change hers.
 

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Hi Michelle, we aren't there yet buy my ped advised me I would have to sign something soon if we continued to not vax. I think it was supposed to sound somewhat threatening.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:<br>
Anyway, I assume it is the same waiver you signed. I don't know if there is some specific point at which they usually request that you sign a waiver.
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This is what I told him last time it came up. My doc may be holding out cause he still thinks he can change my mind.
 

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I really like our dr. and she accepts us as the freaks that we are. We also run into her often out hiking and biking and know her dh socially. Whatever.<br>
But, last time I went in to get 1 vax for Baby, the nurse (not from our dr) was all freaked out by the boys vax records. unhunhunh, but!! She said we would need to sign a waiver AND, etc. I just smiled at her condescendingly and told her that No, it was NOT necessary and if it bothered HER so much, that we would be more than happy to find a different nurse or a diff. clinic. She was totally baffled (stupid allopathic woman) and left the room. Came back in, never mentioned it again, gave the 1 shot and that was that.<br><br>
So...NO, I do not believe you need to sign a waiver.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:
 

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Hi, I generally lurk (i know, i know....) but I wanted to add to this one. My son is just now 19 mos. and I've had to sign waivers twice at his ped. Once for refusing the chicken pox shot, and last month for refusing his 18 month shots (he had a reaction to MMR, turns out he's "sensative" to neomycin, but that's a whole 'nother post). I think waivers are becoming pretty standard, I know you have to sign one in the hospital here if you decide not to follow dr.'s recommendations. I didn't mind signing them, but I took it as more of they're trying to cover their butts rather than an "or else" type thing.<br>
On a side note, all 3 of the docs in the office we go to have worked in high-profile pediatric hospitals, so I try to keep in mind that yes they probably <i>have</i> seen extreme cases of just about everything, because that was the norm <i>there.</i>
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by shelbean91</i><br><b>My question, buried in all this story, is have those of you who choose not to vax or selectively vax had to sign a waiver at well checks? I know some of you don't do well checks, so this is directed at those who do.<br><br>
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No, and I would refuse to do so.
 

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We signed waivers at the hospital for Vit K and eye treatment but nothing for vaxes so far because the one office where my midwife works out of won't see us anymore- they refuse anyone who doesn't vax. We are going back to my regular GP, who will see us but has said that he will lobby for vaxes. I have put off the well baby visits because honestly, having to defend my position all the time has gotten very tiring and I really don't wan't to take dd to a high germ environment like the drs office if I don't have to.
 

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nak...<br><br>
We did sign a waiver, I guess because our ped. was very cool about it. She blamed the whole thing on the insurance companies...Apparently insurance companies are dropping doctors who don't vaccinate.<br>
Just the people I want making decisions about my kiddo <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/angry.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="angry"><br><br>
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That's exactly why we skip the "well" checks, too. I don't need a doctor to tell me my child ISN'T sick!<br><br>
DD's ped said in our pre-natal interview that I would have to sign waivers if not vaxing and that she would respect our decision but still try to convince us. So far, no waivers and not a word about vaxing! We did go in for a 6-mo CYA visit and the nurse came over to us with a tray full of needles when we went to check out. She said, "oh, you're not done yet!" I took her back into the exam room and politely explained the way things are. Didn't see a need to embarrass her in front of other staff and parents that were standing in the hall.<br><br>
I wouldn't mind signing a waiver, but just thought of this... If they want me to sign a waiver, taking full responsibility for not vaxing, then I should ask the doctor if she will sign a document taking full responsibility if I do vax and DD has a reaction.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">:
 

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I have never had to sign a waiver for not vaxing. Even at a hospital. My 21 month old son was in the NICU for meconium aspiration and when he was becoming discharged, the nurse said "we need to do his Hepb." I told her politely but firmly that I was declining this vax. She gave me a quisical look and asked "why?", I only stated "he is not in a high risk category". She only said "you are right."<br><br>
When I got the billing, I checked to make sure that I wasn't billed and I wasn't even though the bill was over $68,000.00 for two weeks.
 

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My ped is cool with our not vaxing, although she would prefer we do some. I had to sign the waiver as well - a one liner type thing - because of the insurance companies, which will drop docs that don't have a certain percentage of their patients vaxes. It's also a CYA for the doc; if my baby gets a vax "preventable" disease and dies she doesn't want to be liable, which is totally understandable.<br><br>
I had no problem signing the waiver. By not vaxing, I'm taking responsibility for my child's health. If ds does get a vax "preventable" disease and the doctor is medically negligent in treating it, then I can sue her if I want and the waiver will likely not stand in the way. But if it keeps the insurance companies off her back and enables me to see a cool ped who's OK with not vaxing, then what's the problem?
 

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[I wouldn't mind signing a waiver, but just thought of this... If they want me to sign a waiver, taking full responsibility for not vaxing, then I should ask the doctor if she will sign a document taking full responsibility if I do vax and DD has a reaction.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">: [/B]</td>
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This is what I told our ped when he told me he'd ask me to sign a waiver eventually. Of course he arrogantly believes that because he's her doctor he would be taking on that responsibility.<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/disappointed.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="disappointed">
 

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We opted out of Hep B, MMR and Chicken Pox w/ dd and had to sign a waiver for all three at dd's last well check (2yo).<br><br>
In the hospital when she was born we also had to sign a waiver for the Hep B and the eye ointment (ended up doing Vit K since it was a traumatic forceps delivery).<br><br>
I'm fine with signing the waiver. I am taking responsibility for my decisions...and I have no problem w/ that. I too see it as the dr just covering their butts.<br><br>
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I have been seeing the kids ped since my ds was 2.5 weeks old.They have never even asked me why we don't vaccinate let alone sign a waiver.I have been very pleased with them in this regard.We were private pay,on medicaid,and will be starting private insurance soon.We shall see how the insurance is.Personally I still find it a waste of $400 a month.Fear of the *unknown* is a powerful motivator when it comes to insurance,which from what I have read often tries to get out of paying things anyway!!!<br>
Personally I would not sign a waiver for the ped at this time,though I had for my dd when see was born and the hospital ER expected me to do vitK,hepB,and a 24 hour nursery stay.No thanks!At that time though I was quite wary of CPS and rightly so as they did show up a week later ,because someone lied and said I had her at home and never took her to the doctor(by that time she had been to 2 doctors and a hospital!).<br><br>
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Here's a great form that I would have no trouble signing after the paragraph about endangering my child has been removed,<br><br><a href="http://search.aap.org/aap/CISPframe.html?url=http://www.cispimmunize.org/pro/pdf/RefusalToVaccinate.pdf" target="_blank">http://search.aap.org/aap/CISPframe....oVaccinate.pdf</a><br><br>
I may duplicate this form when I have time and edit it, sign it, and let our dr keep it on file.<br><br>
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I signed a one-liner asking only the reason for refusing tha vax listed on the form. Just a CYA for the doc so that I can't turn around and say I was never told that the vax was due. I claim religious exemption. My doc is sooo cool about the no-circ, non vax thing that I can't complain!
 

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I thought about asking doc to sign waiver for the vaxes I do give, but then realized I think I have to sign a waiver for those, too. Every time we get a vax, we have to sign by each one with the lot number. I don't remember exactly what it says, but I imagine it would be considered a waiver of sorts.
 

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suschi, where is the waiver? what is it under? thanx
 
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