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I am pg with my fourht child.<br>
I didn't sling the others very much, but I would really like to 'wear' this child more.<br><br>
My children have always slept outside in the stroller a couple of hours during the day, which is quite normal where I live.<br><br>
But now I wonder whether AP parents would consider this anti-ap?<br><br>
What is your advice?
 

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I don't think there is anything wrong with strollers at all. You have to still be attentive to their needs. I use a stroller all of the time as well as babywearing.
 

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Thanks for your replies. My children have always slept so well in the fresh air, and I never let them cry and lie a long time awake.<br><br>
I don't use my stroller to go shopping etc., it is only for their day-sleep.
 

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Jayden loved napping when younger in his stroller <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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My first babe slept better in the stroller than anywhere else 9 times out of 10. I think it depends on what works for the child and if yours sleep great in the stroller than you are doing hte right thing by being attentive to their needs and going with it.<br><br>
Oh, and congrats!
 

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dh was telling me that the moms in Norway did this a lot. DD naps by herself all the time. I don't see that it makes a difference that she's in a stroller outside or in our bed. Either way, she's asleep by herself but in a familiar environment.
 

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LOL. It is a Scandinavian tradition, I think. The child gets lots of fresh air and sunlight. Most people have their strollers on their porch or backgarden, etc.<br>
Our strollers are big and isolated, and only the child's face is uncovered.<br><br>
I and all my siblings slept outside everyday (unless it was really cold or really windy <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">) and so did dh. But I am not quite sure why we have this tradition.<br><br>
I will have my stroller right under my kitchen window, so I can see when the baby wakes up.<br><br>
I love to take the baby in from the stroller. It has slept so well, is happy with a warm body and cold cheeks and just smells of nature <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin">
 

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I think this is European... I've never heard of it here in North America, but my British and Irish friends talk about putting the "pram in the garden" a lot.<br><br>
I don't think it's un-AP... AP is about being responsive to the child's needs. I think a child sleeping happily outdoors safely within earshot is a lucky babe.
 

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Oh, sure I can see doing that with a pram. I was thinking more like umbrella stroller. It's not comfortable to let a kids legs dangle that long. I guess that is why europeans use prams? I can see that. What about bugs? You wouldn't worry about bugs? Are parents leaving their babies outside alone or are the parents outside also?
 

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Sorry, MyHeartLight, a language mistake from my side. I mixed up the two words stroller and pram.<br><br>
Yes, it is a pram I use (and everyone uses around here).<br><br>
Actually, I would never put a baby in a small stroller. I don't even like the carseats <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">. If the baby isn't held by a caring person it should lie with good back support, in my oppinion.<br><br>
But again, maybe that is just a cultural thing.<br><br>
Your next question:<br><br>
The child is outside alone.<br><br>
Children are never stolen around here. Seriously! I was so shocked when I was in the US the first time and saw all the children on the milk boxes.<br><br>
As I said in a previous post my babies sleep right under the kitchen window. And I don't often use the stroller - sorry pram <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> - to go shopping.<br>
But if women take the stroller shopping, they often leave the prams outside the small shops (we don't have many malls either <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">) and if the baby cries, someone calls for the mom and she goes outside for her baby.<br><br>
I remember an article about a European woman who was imprisoned in the US because she had left her baby in a pram outside a cafe. Obviously she was unaware of US regulations, culture and dangers, and did what she always did in Europe, left the pram outside the cafe-window where she could see it, while she had her coffee inside. What was the right thing in her view was parental neglect in the others' pov.<br><br>
Cultural differences, again <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br><br>
But, to return to my original concern, I am not insecure about the child's security outside, but was wondering if it would be better to carry him instead.<br>
I deeply appreciate all your replies. Thanks.
 

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I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who does this! Dd slept outside a lot last summer - we found a bug-net specially for prams/strollers - and she was soooooo happy. If it was too hot I left her on the verandah, and on breezier days she slept under the maple trees - she loves watching the leaves move. It was great, 'cos I could work in the yard, or just sit and read and have her really close to me without feeling stuck in the house. Al lt of times she would wake up and not make a sound...just be happy kicking and watching the sky.<br><br>
It must be a European thing - I know it's how it was for all of us kids growing up <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Hmm, I see that is must be a cultural thing. If I saw someone do that, I'd call the police! I can't fathom leaving a baby alone, inside or out. I'm glad you feel safe doing that but please remember, babies ARE stolen EVERYWHERE in the world. Not just in the US. Better safe than sorry, you know? If it weren't so terribly hot here, i'd love to take Cole outsie for a nap. It's already 90 here at 10 AM. Not a chance..<br>
I love the euro prams. People don't use them in the US much. I always wondered how people over there got the in and out of their cars. Guess they don't.<br><br><br>
You'd also probably be suprised to hear that it's illegal here to leave a child at home or in a car alone. Even for a quick second. I hardly feel ok letting my 5 year old play in our fenced in yard alone. I do but I check on her often and leave the french doors open the whole time.<br><br>
Isn't it amazing how different our cultures are? I didn't realize they really were but I've never been anywhere either.
 

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dd is not out of my sight - at any point. I would never leave her alone in the car, or in the yard. If she is outside, so am I - I move her around the yard with me, depending on where I'm working. I loved using the sling with her when she was smaller, but I've never worked out a safe way to dig and plant with her....so in the pram she is...<br><br>
I think what I was trying to get at is that the cultural norm, at least for a lot of N. Europeans is that it is good for your babies to get lots of fresh air - so we tend to capitalise on the weather, verandahs, shade trees etc. I don't think that anyone is advocating endangering their child by leaving them vulnerable.<br><br>
Hope that makes sense
 

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and I don't take the pram out with me.....it is antique..and about the size of our teeny-tiny car <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> I use a car seat, and then a sling and/or an umbrella stroller!
 

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Oh, I understand. I'm jsut saying, if we say that situation in the US, it would be seen so differently here. I can't imagine going into a cafe and leaving my baby on the sidewalk in a stroller. It's just not done here.
 

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Just please, please, please don't be like my neighbors. They leave their 2-ish (I'm not sure of his exact age) son outside on the porch to nap in a conventioal stroller. And, to say that they do not pay attention would be a understatement. We have heard him crying for 30 minutes at a time. A child that old could probably figure out how to get free from the straps and their porch is sort of fenced with benches, but there is nothing under them to stop a child from falling 10 feet to the rocks below. It is just not safe. That poor little boy is strapped in, alone, and often cold.<br><br>
But, just to be clear, I can see that what you are doing is totally different. You are paying attention to your sleeping baby. I just had to vent.
 
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