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Smilemomma, I'm not trying to be controversial and/or argumentative! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"> But in the "expert" column on Mothering today, it reads,<br>
"If the kids are swallowing any toothpaste, you likely want to buy a fluoride-free product....."<br><br>
I know that contradicts your advice, and I'm just trying to figure out WHAT TO DO for my son! (14 mo.) As you might have noticed on the other thread of mine, he's starting to get some small white spots.<br><br>
(We just switched from non-fluoride toothpaste to fluoride toothpaste, because of your advice. We don't have it in our water, and we don't give him drops of it, either.)
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by mamajulie</i><br><b>Smilemomma, I'm not trying to be controversial and/or argumentative! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"> But in the "expert" column on Mothering today, it reads,<br>
"If the kids are swallowing any toothpaste, you likely want to buy a fluoride-free product....."<br><br>
I know that contradicts your advice, and I'm just trying to figure out WHAT TO DO for my son! (14 mo.) As you might have noticed on the other thread of mine, he's starting to get some small white spots.<br><br>
(We just switched from non-fluoride toothpaste to fluoride toothpaste, because of your advice. We don't have it in our water, and we don't give him drops of it, either.)</b></td>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/yikes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="EEK!"> dear mamajulie,<br>
please go back to your fluoridefree toothpaste, I hope you are aware of that the fluoride in the toothpaste is toxic fertiliezer waste. two good book to read about dental are: "Whole-Body Dentistry" by Mark A. Brainer DDS and also " Uninformend Consent--the hidden danger in dental care" by Hal Huggins
 

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I think the main thing is to emphasize NOT swallowing! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"> If you put on just a teeny-tiny bit, like a smear rather than even a "pea-sized" dollop that you see often recommended, it's hard for them to swallow much.<br><br>
From what I've read it really seems to be a balance. You don't want to give your kid too much fluoride, though that's harder to do than you might think. But no/ not enough fluoride can really increase the chances of cavities, IMO. (Based on studies I've seen and my own experience.)<br><br>
Again, though, definitely see a dentist so you have a better idea of what you're dealing with.<br><br>
Good luck!
 

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The key word would be "likely"......<br><br>
In general, with no problems, non-flouride paste is cool, but when you have problems, cavities, and big numbers of bacteria present, then flouride in small amounts can be beneficial. Each individual has different needs....I don't think a general rule can be followed by each and every person.<br>
In this thread on pages 3 & 4, Smilemomma explains further. <a href="http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3687&perpage=20&highlight=flouride&pagenumber=5" target="_blank">http://216.92.20.151/discussions/sho...e&pagenumber=5</a><br><br>
Babyblues_36~What studies talk about flouride being toxic fertilizer waste? As I understand it, there are different sources of flouride.......some better/healthier than others.<br>
I don't know how much you have read thru the archives, or if you have dealt with decay in your baby's brand new teeth, but I woudn't just jump on saying don't, don't, don't with regards to flouride.<br>
I wasn't using flouride toothpaste on my baby's teeth at 15 months when decay started. I continued to not use it for another year as the decay got progressively and seriously worse (although I did "paint" on a flouride rinse during this time). Now I am using it with caution and my 3 year old's teeth are getting healthier. When her bacteria levels are lower, I do intend to decrease and/or eliminate flouride.<br>
I have just recently seen info about xylitol which I am really interested in. I don't feel that great about using flouride either, but I have learned thru a very difficult journey that it does have its place.
 

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We have serious dental problems in our household. Ds5 had a molar removed last year and needs a couple of fillings. Ds 8 has a lot of cavaties. We have started using flouride toothpaste and some other that you rub on once a week. Now my question.. Is Calcium Flouride as bad as Sodium flouride? I know that sodium flouride is a byproduct and calcium flouride is naturally derived but as the effects of having too much the same? We use calcium flouride tablets from the health food store on a daily basis. I have found all sorts of information on sodium flouride but nothing on calcium flouride. Our dentist said he didn't know anything about the calc flour. Can anyone shed some light on the differences between the two?<br>
Linda
 

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Great Question!!!<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngbiggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="orange big grin"><br>
Smilemomma????<br>
Somewhere in some thread Smilemomma mentions the flouride that is used in Tom's toothpaste as being the same as in all other toothpastes-sodium....Where is that thread?????<br>
When I was looking I came across a post from another mama that said that sodium flouride is in all the toothpastes (flouride), but that it is calcium flouride that is tested and proven to prevent cavities. I don't know the validity of this statement tho....<br><br>
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Yes is it sodium flouride used in toothpaste<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br>
Any idea where that thread was regarding the calcium flouride being used in testing? I will have a squizz and see if I can find it<br>
Thankyou<br>
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Well, when I was looking again for that info, I found the original info that I was looking for.....<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nut.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nut"> Here's the direct quote from Smilemomma:<br><br>
"I'm so sorry, I have not done much research in the area of fluoride sources. (The good news is, I have a very diligent staff... ). Tom's of Maine purports to have a natural source of fluoride in their toothpaste, stating it is Calcium Fluoride, but in the ingredients list, it is sodium monofluorophosphate; the same stuff in every other toothpaste. Been meaning to call them about that ...<br><br>
About the chewable Vitamin C -- not a great idea. Vitamin C is ascorbic acid. The acid attacks the tooth enamel, and then combining it with the scrubbing action of chewing it ... well, it is well documented to lead to extreme tooth damage. I would use drops. You could always take it yourself, too; it will pass to breastmilk.<br><br>
That reminds me, breastmilk also contains fluoride; can't get much more natural than that!<br><br>
Maybe some other moms have done some research and can help out here. I'd be interested, too. In the meantime, I will make a note to have my staff get me the paperwork on fluoride sources. There's a great medical library in Baltimore which has always been very helpful in the past."<br><br>
The entire thread is filled with great info...<br><a href="http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=299&highlight=favorite" target="_blank">http://216.92.20.151/discussions/sho...light=favorite</a><br><br>
Still looking for the other info...
 

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Sorry, i had not in mind to offend anybody and was surely not only relying on hul huggins, but i am a mother since 20 years and i think you read allready that i am from overseas europe, and in europe the are many countries which don't use fluoride not at the dentist office or as water treatment no more because of the negative effect on the bones and teeth. It is the same with milk, a lot of people still think it is good for them to drink milk or eat dairy products, but on the other hand cow beeing fet with hormones and antibioticas etc........ But tghis thema don't belongs here.<br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;"><i>Originally posted by Smilemomma</i><br><b>Hi Mamajulie! You're not being confrontational at all. I don't mind questions in the least. I do appreciate the gentle way you phrased your question, though! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/love.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="love"><br><br>
In the fluoride archived thread, the dangers as well as the benefits of fluoride are discussed. Like anything, even plain water, fluoride can be dangerous in excess. It also has a fairly narrow window of excess, so caution is required when using it. As many of the mamas on here can attest, and of course I can speak from my 23 years of clinical experience with thousands of patients, fluoride does have undeniable benefits when used judiciously. The key is caution, though, and I think that is where the "expert" (which I put in quotes because I somewhat question the validity of a chiropractor speaking as an expert on fluoride. Spines, I bow to her superior knowledge, but fluoride ...) is coming from in her piece.<br><br>
I will also use this opportunity to say again that I am just a momma like all the other mommas on here. I have extensive training and experience in dentistry, of course, (and so *can* actually speak as an expert in this field) and I am upset continually by the lack of breastfeeding support by most dental practitioners, as well as the almost complete dearth of information on dental topics, especially prevention.<br><br>
So I come here as a momma, but have been quite willing to answer anyone's dental questions because of my background. I'm here so often that they made me a moderator, but, and this is important, my views are naturally my own, and not necessarily those of Mothering magazine, Mothering.com, or Peggy O, etal.<br><br>
I actually am not aware of the status of the experts in the expert discussion area. Do they speak for themselves, or for Mothering? I'm not sure. Not that it really matters to this topic anyway, I guess! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/orngtongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
Sozobe and Malamamama have done an excellent job of discussing this without me, so that's why I haven't chimed in until today. Thanks you guys, you both are so amazing! You are truly dental angels, with experience with your own children that I do not have. I can speak as a dentist, and as a mom, but not as a mom who's been there, and I soo soo soo appreciate your continued presence here. Many moms could have (and do, I'm sure) gotten the info they needed and trucked on outta here, maybe with an update post, and maybe not. You two (and Simonee before her new babe, hi sweetie if you're reading!) come back consistently to support, uplift, and educate other moms just beginning your path, and you will never know how much or how many mommas and little ones you have helped in their time of need and questioning. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bow.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bow"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bow.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bow"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/clap.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="clap"><br><br>
Babyblues, when you've read more on the topic, I'm sure you'll be able to discuss it a bit more objectively. Toxic fertilizer waste? I would love to see the source on that little tidbit of info.<br><br>
As for Hal Huggins, I was actually looking for a link I had to the history of his practice, but was unable to find it. I know it will turn up, and I'll post it then. Suffice it to say, citing him does not engender much (any) confidence for me, that's for sure.<br><br>
For those who are not aware, Hal Huggins was a dentist in New York who captialized on people's growing concern with amalgam. He purported to cure all kinds of different diseases by removing the amalgams in their mouths, a "treatment" totally unproven in any reputable research. Desperate patients flew in from all over the world in attempts to alleviate their sufferings, and he took their money (and it was not an inexpensive proposition, believe me), raised their hopes, and of course, their illnesses progressed. Some came to him instead of seeking more proven treatments, and many of these poor people subsequently died, after spending thousands of dollars and untold time and suffering. The state of NY warned him several times to stop telling pepole he could cure them by replacing their restorations, and he continued his lucrative endeavor, branching out into teaching his philosophy. Finally his license to practice was revoked, and he lost a great deal, if not nearly all, his money in lawsuits. He is now traveling and continuing to teach, although he is not legally allowed to treat patients anymore.<br><br>
Scary. Caveat emptor, indeed.</b></td>
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