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Title says it all. He grew up with guns in the house. He probably won't step down on this. We can't afford one now, but it comes up every now and then.<br><br>
So, spam me on information. Both sides.<br><br>
If we do have guns in the house, what are your best safety tips... classes, storage, etc... what precautions need to be taken... etc...<br><br>
I'm not particularly comfortable with it at this point, but I haven't researched at all or given it a ton of thought. Just would love some input from both sides of the fence.<br><br>
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Buy a gun safe BEFORE the gun, so there is no excuse not to keep it locked. Use the safe all the time. Store the ammo in a different location, nowhere near the always locked safe. Never store it loaded. Know the combination to the safe, but do not allow your children to know it, and change it if you can.<br><br>
I believe it is much safer to have a gun in the home with a child that is familiar with it and knows gun safety than to have a child ignorant of guns, gun danger and safety with no gun in the home. Education is key.
 

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I disagree with the pp - ALWAYS keep the gun loaded. I see you are in Georgia, so you have pretty good CCW laws. This has become a long post, but please read it all, as it may give you some insight into why your husband wants a gun; why he wants to protect his family and those around him.<br><br><br><br>
So, if your hubby wants a handgun, what's the primary purpose? Personal protection? Home protection? Family protection?<br><br>
Steps he should take:<br><br>
1. Join an online resource to research his options. All major brands of firearms have a forum like MDC to discuss. <a href="http://www.glocktalk.com" target="_blank">www.glocktalk.com</a> is an example.<br><br>
2. Decide what the purpose of the firearm will be. If he has a concern for his personal security, will he carry it on him all the time? Will his workplace allow this? Will the firearm stay at home, for home protection?<br><br>
3. Purchase a safe that will meet the goal set out in 2. If the gun is home alone, you need a safe that will bolt to structural members of the house, that has separate locking compartments for ammo and gun etc.<br><br>
4. If hubby has a concern about home safety (home invasion, burglary etc) then you won't have time to open 2 safes, assemble the ammo and the magazine, load the weapon and bring it to bear. Therefore, if the gun is for home defence of an active and imminent threat, then an accesible safe where the gun can be kept ready-to-go is needed. A safe that has a keypad is likely the best option when the gun isn't being worn.<br><br>
5. Once the purpose, style/model of gun and the safe have been selected, then BOTH of you have to go for CCW training and range time. There are many cases of trained but unsupportive spouses picking up a weapon and defending the family against harm. Best to know what you are doing than fumbling and shaking around.<br><br>
The best option for those who can is to wear their gun all the time and lock in a safe near them when sleeping. After a while it becomes second nature -- you get dressed, you put on your gun. You get undressed for a shower/bed, you lock it up in the same place every time. Training and repetition is the key. When something goes bump in the night, you shouldn't have to think about the location of the safe... the combination, where's the safety, how do I load a magazine etc. Your body should do it all automatically while your brain evaluates further noises and indications of the threat.<br><br>
Even if you end up not purchasing a Glock (glocks are awesome guns, easy to use and maintain, relatively inexpensive for what you get) you AND hubby should log on to glocktalk.com and explore the forums. There are quite a few women on the forum as well, so you'll be able to get both sides and advice from all.<br><br>
Gun ownership is a wonderful thing, giving you another option to protect your family. Several years ago, the SCOTUS ruled that PDs are under no obligation to protect the citizens, but only to respond to complaints. That ruling placed the onus on each of us to protect ourselves AND the weak around us.<br><br>
I steal this shamelessly from <a href="http://www.blackfive.net" target="_blank">www.blackfive.net</a><br><blockquote></blockquote><span style="font-family:arial;">I Only Hang With Sheepdogs<br>
Posted By Blackfive<br><br><span style="font-size:xx-small;">The following essay (an extract from the book, 'On Combat') was written by Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman, U.S. Army (Ret.) Director, Killology Research Group (<a href="http://www.killology.com" target="_blank">www.killology.com</a>). Colonel Grossman is a somewhat controversial figure - he authored the book - "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" - a very interesting topic that our politically correct society would rarely discuss. (Thanks to Tom and Mark for sending the article)</span><br><br>
On Sheep, Sheepdogs, and Wolves<br>
By Dave Grossman<br><br>
One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.<br><br>
Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.<br><br>
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.<br><br>
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.<br><br>
"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there that will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.<br><br>
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."...<br><br>
If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.<br><br>
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, which is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.<br><br>
But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.<br><br>
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.<br><br>
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."<br><br>
Until the wolf shows up! Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.<br><br>
The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.<br><br>
Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?<br><br>
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.<br><br>
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.<br><br>
There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.<br><br><b>There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.</b><br><br>
Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.<br><br>
Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- From sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.<br><br>
"Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"<br><br>
"There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edmund Burke<br><br><b>Here is the point I like to emphasize; especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.</b><br><br>
If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust, or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.<br><br>
For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.<br><br>
I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"<br><br>
Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.<br><br>
Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"<br><br>
It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.<br><br>
Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessness, and horror at your moment of truth.<br><br>
Gavin de Becker puts it like this in "Fear Less," his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."<br><br>
Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.<br><br>
And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.<br><br><b><i>If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... "Baa."</i></b><br><br>
This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically, at your moment of truth.</span>
 

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Thanks, this is the kind of info I was looking for. I will head over to those forums as well for more info, can't know enough!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">The best option for those who can is to wear their gun all the time and lock in a safe near them when sleeping. After a while it becomes second nature -- you get dressed, you put on your gun. You get undressed for a shower/bed, you lock it up in the same place every time. Training and repetition is the key. When something goes bump in the night, you shouldn't have to think about the location of the safe... the combination, where's the safety, how do I load a magazine etc. Your body should do it all automatically while your brain evaluates further noises and indications of the threat.</div>
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Why can't you put it under your pillow? Then you could have your hand on it at all times to be <i>really</i> safe.
 

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We do have a handgun in the house. At the moment we have zero ammo and the gun is locked in case in a box on the highest shelf in the basement. My ds, almost 3, doesn't know it exists and is never in the basement alone. He also doesn't know what a gun is at this point. My dh owned the gun before we met and has agreed that until he purchases a safe that has a fingerprint lock and is mounted on brackets as the pp suggested it will stay where it is or in a safe deposit box somewhere else. (We are about to move and then he will rent a safe at a nearby range and keep it there.) I agree that it is no use having a gun "for protection" if it is not loaded and available, however I also do not believe that children can ever be trusted with access to it. Though dh thought it was secure when I met him, both my then teenage stepchildren knew where it was and where he kept the key he thought he had hidden so well. Both of them had been raised with lots of firearm safety training (dh is retired military) and I did trust them, but kids are kids and at the time I could easily envision my dsd especially showing-off to friends who would not know how to be safe. Currently we only use the gun for target practice at a range and never bring ammunition home. When he is older we will teach ds gun safety and how to shoot, but he will never have access to the weapon on his own - thus my requirement for the fingerprint safe on a mounting bracket.<br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Why can't you put it under your pillow? Then you could have your hand on it at all times to be <i>really</i> safe.</div>
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One thing I love about the MDC boards is that by and large the posters treat each other with respect, even when they hold completely opposite views. It saddens me when I read such disrespectful sarcasm as this. The PP was answering the OP's question with his honest opinion and sited resources for her to gain more information. If you disagree with his position how about posting your own views and resources in a respectful dialogue?<br><br>
I'm sure you would rather someone respectfully offer you links to anti-vaxing research and invite you to read them to formulate your own opinions rather than state stomething like, "Why don't you just hook your kids up to a permanent IV and dose them with antivirals 24/7 to be <i>really</i> safe."
 

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My dad is a hunter & my grandpa is a retired LAPD cop. I grew up in houses where there where guns were always kept in locked cabinets & ammo kept someplace else. I was taken to hunter safety classes & target practice while I was in elementary school, for which I am thankful.<br><br>
That said, there is no evidence that firearms for personal safety makes you safer & is actually pretty terrifying to me. Did you guys hear about the <a href="http://www.examiner.com/a-1432880~Girl_shoots_herself_with_grandma_s_gun_at_SC_store.html" target="_blank">girl who shot herself with grandma's gun at Sam's Club</a> a couple of weeks ago?
 

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We have guns in the house. They are kept in a locked safe, in the back of our closet, on the shelf. Dh will always have a gun because of work (cop).<br>
I fully intend to have the baby take gun safety courses when she is older. She will also have the opportunity to handle it if she wants. I think the best thing to do with a gun in the house is to make the children aware of the dangers, and all the safety issues involved with it. We also a have a no toy gun rule.
 

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Something must be wrong with my computer... when I opened this thread to see the replies, a pop-up window said MDC was down for database upgrades.<br><br>
When it opened, I saw the responses including these two. I wonder what MDC was fixing?<br><br>
Sure am glad MDC has a database filter. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
To the OP, glad you were able to glean something from these posts. If you register on Glocktalk, I suggest you seek out female members to see how they integrate guns into their housholds, what training and safeguards they have in place. PrincessCelica, Azdbltrbl, PatrolMom, Pinky, to name a few.<br><br>
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we have guns. the hand gun is in a small coded safe. not loaded but ammo w it. other guns are in a larger safe and ammo in another place...but for safety, ammon should be accessible.
 

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i grew up with an ex-marine (you never quit being a marine) father. he always had guns and never locked any of them up. when i was 7 a friend in my class shot himself with his fahers gun. and died. i already knew gun safety and never played with my dads guns. i looked at them a couple of times when he wasnt home put never took them out of their holster or touched the trigger. he taught me how to shoot them. when i was 13 i started watching my brothers while my dad and step-mom were at work. he taught me how to shoot them shotgun and rifle and how to brace them against the wall to aim at the midsection through the bolted door. he said it would blow through the door and leave door shrapnel through their no longer existing midsection. we lived in the country and my dad was the kind of guy to not trust anybody. i had a healthy respect for guns. i want to own one.<br>
i never bought one and dont let my children near them. i feel i am doing them a disservice by not teaching them about guns. my DS has been taught by his grandpa and i have talked to him because he goes over there. will teach my DD too. my DSDs never go to my dad's house but i should teach them as well. having them in my house makes me nervous because i dont feel that my children would be able to not play with them. even if locked up (althougth i am sure the fingerprint safe is an excellent idea). when my younger brother was a teen (and my dads guns were then locked up) he stole a pistol and got caught with it. how he got it out of the safe is unknown. just my personal story.
 

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<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C06EED61E3BF931A3575BC0A9649C8B63" target="_blank">here</a> <a href="http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/16725912/detail.html" target="_blank">you</a> <a href="http://www.wftv.com/news/15545824/detail.html" target="_blank">go..</a><br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/nono02.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Nono02">:<br><br><br>
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Something must be wrong with my computer... when I opened this thread to see the replies, a pop-up window said MDC was down for database upgrades.<br><br>
When it opened, I saw the responses including these two. I wonder what MDC was fixing?<br><br>
Sure am glad MDC has a database filter. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
To the OP, glad you were able to glean something from these posts. If you register on Glocktalk, I suggest you seek out female members to see how they integrate guns into their housholds, what training and safeguards they have in place. PrincessCelica, Azdbltrbl, PatrolMom, Pinky, to name a few.<br><br>
Message me if you have any questions. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"></div>
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I'd like to agree with everything <b>dadinblue</b> said and thank him for posting a respectful and informative post.<br><br>
My DH was a Marine and is now a cop (for the last 7+ years). Needless to say, we have always had guns in the house. We have a large, locked gun safe in our bedroom that is bolted to the floor. It is filled with about multiple loaded guns and we have quite a bit of ammo in the closet. Our children know we have guns, they see guns every day, they know they are <i>tools</i> and they know they will be able to learn more, hands-on, when they get a bit older.<br><br>
Glocktalk is a great site (DH is a member there) as is <a href="http://www.AR15.com" target="_blank">www.AR15.com</a> and <a href="http://www.HKpro.com" target="_blank">www.HKpro.com</a> (he is a member at those sites as well).<br><br>
DH likes Glocks (his duty weapon), but please know that Glocks do not have 'real' safeties. They have trigger safeties (safe-action triggers) that, when enough pressure is applied to the trigger, disables the safety. So, basically, it's like not having a safety. Just something to think about. DH is a BIG H & K fan, but they are very pricey.<br><br>
Also, I go shooting with DH often so I know what to expect if I ever do need to fire a weapon. Plus, it is good practice to know what to do if the weapon jams. It also makes me more comfortable with the weapon in general. I'll never have the muscle memory my DH does, but I do have a greater feeling of peace knowing I can handle it well.<br><br>
I can respect the fact that some people don't like guns, but it's not constructive or helpful to come in and make blanket statements when the OP is asking for advice, information and help.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think it is incredibly irresponsible to have guns in a home where there are small children.</div>
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I'd love for you to explain why you think this is so.<br><br>
Using this webpage for the numbers: <a href="http://www.usa.safekids.org/tier3_cd.cfm?folder_id=540&content_item_id=1131" target="_blank">http://www.usa.safekids.org/tier3_cd...t_item_id=1131</a><br><br>
200 million firearms in the USA, 60% for hunting and 40% for protection.<br><br>
33% of gun owning families have kids, representing 11 million households or 22 million kids.<br><br>
So, an estimated 22 <i>million</i> kids live around guns.<br><br>
In 2001, 72 children ages 14 and under died from unintentional firearm-related injuries. Children ages 10 to 14 accounted for 54 percent of these deaths.<br><br>
In 2002, more than 800 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for unintentional firearm-related injuries; 35 percent of these injuries were severe enough to require hospitalization.<br><br>
872 kids killed or injured in 2001 and 2002 -- 872 out of an estimated <i>200 million</i>. How statistically insignificant is that? 4.36 chances in a million., comparable to getting struck by lightning (1/700,000) but no one says going outside without a lightning rod on your head is irresponsible.<br><br>
What that tells me is that there are almost 11 million families who have taught their kids properly, whose kids respect and understand the role of a gun in a home setting, know what to do if they come across one.<br><br>
Legal gun owners are among the most responsible and law-abiding groups in the first-world. It does them a grave disservice to castigate them as "irresponsible". I'm no math or stats whiz, but I think this is pretty cut and dried.<br><br>
Here are some more activities that carry a greater risk than merely growing up in a gun-owning home, just to put an irational fear in perspective:<br><br>
Odds of bowling a 300 game: 11,500 to 1 (maybe we should all take up bowling?)<br><br>
Odds of getting a hole in one: 5,000 to 1 (or golf)<br><br>
Odds of getting canonized: 20,000,000 to 1 (probably much worse if you aren't Catholic)<br><br>
Odds of being an astronaut: 13,200,000 to 1<br><br>
Odds of winning an Olympic medal: 662,000 to 1 (a 40% better chance of winning an Olympic medal than of being hurt or killed by a gun.)<br><br>
Odds of injury from fireworks: 19,556 to 1 (your child has a 50 times better chance at being injured by fireworks then by a gun)<br><br>
Odds of injury from shaving: 6,585 to 1 (is anyone trying to ban razors or calling razor-owners irresponsible?)<br><br>
Odds of injury from using a chain saw: 4,464 to 1 (you have a better chance of being hurt by a chainsaw than by a razor? Wow.)<br><br>
Odds of injury from mowing the lawn: 3,623 to 1<br><br>
Odds of fatally slipping in bath or shower: 2,232 to 1<br><br>
Odds of drowning in a bathtub: 685,000 to 1<br><br>
Odds of being killed on a 5-mile bus trip: 500,000,000 to 1
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think it is incredibly irresponsible to have guns in a home where there are small children.</div>
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I will not allow my children to sleep in a house where there are guns. I have very strong personal feelings about owning them, I have a friend whose cousin shot himself accidentally, and I would simply be far too worried. It may be a small chance, but it is one I can entirely prevent.<br><br>
I grew up with the same rule and was not allowed to stay over at a friend's house whose Dad was a police officer.<br><br>
I don't think that gun owners are irresponsible, I think that young kids are unable to truly understand words like "dead". And to understand the consequences of playing with guns.<br><br>
DF has joked about getting a gun a few times, but now understands that I will leave him and run like hell to keep my children away from a home with guns.<br><br>
(Yes I realize that to many of you this seems an over reaction, but it's my over reaction and I'm comfortable with it.)
 

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DH is a cop so obviously we have guns in the house. He recently sold his personal gun, as he felt he had no need for it anymore (when he lived in Miami he kept it in the glove compartment or under the front seat of the car). Prior to DD being born he bought a gun safe. The rule is when he comes home the gun comes out of his holster and into the safe and is locked up. I have tried to get the gun out of the holster and I cannot, it takes practice it is so stuck in there (and it cannot be fired while in the holster). He no longer has a rifle for work (there may be a shotgun locked in his patrol vehicle, I am not sure) but I would have required a gun safe for that as well.<br><br>
When we were dating or engaged I asked his Captain about gun safety and children because he has two grown sons. He told me that when his kids were old enough (maybe five or six) he took them out and showed them how to fire a gun. He had a big bucket full of water and had them fire at it at close range (the bucket shattered of course). Then he told his kids to imagine what would have happened if that had been someone's head. Pretty extreme, but it worked because his kids always respected his guns.
 

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I didnt read anything in the OP that suggested that <b>protection</b> was the primary purpose her dh had in getting a gun. And yet that is the only options you offered, three different kinds of protection. Everyone (ok, like three people) i know who have guns have them because they like them, they like collecting them, and/or they go to the shooting range, because they think shooting them is fun/enjoyable.<br><br>
If i felt so unsafe in my home, that i needed to wear a gun at ALL times, from the moment i woke up until bedtime, i think i'd try really hard to move to a safer place (i realize this isnt an option for everyone.)<br><br>
I dont think having a gun in the home w/ kids is inherently unsafe, esp if the kids know about the guns and have been trained in safety practices...i wouldnt feel comfortable with it. We're (my son who is almost 12 and i) thinking of possibly going to the local shooting range sometime, you can rent guns there to use while target shooting. If i felt my family was in imminent danger of home invasion ALL the time, i think my first line of defense would be to fortify my home, make it safer/less attractive to thiefs and/or predators, before carrying a loaded weapon around in a home with young kids (can you <b>guarantee</b> that you wont see that weapon down on the kitchen counter....<b>ever</b>?) But if your goal is just to have a hobby gun, i think locking everything up separately is a good choice.<br><br><br>
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