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...and whether it was true that a wound that bleeds won't develop tentanus (which I heard here, from Gitti...thank you!)<br><br>
Her response, in a nutshell, was "yep."<br><br>
Mind you, she's pretty crunchy, and although she hasn't actually said it, I'm fairly sure she doesn't want us to vax. But I'm glad I asked, nonetheless.<br><br>
And Gitti...we're off the fence about tetanus. And pretty much everything else. Thanks. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
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What I read was that tetanus can't live w/oxygen. That's why it lives under the dirt. To me, a wound that bleeds, if there was tetanus on whatever it was you got cut by, punctured with, whatever, then it would bleed out and die from oxygen exposure.<br><br>
To *me* it sounds like the only real way you could get tetanus is if you say, stepped on a nail and it stuck in your foot. It wouldn't bleed. To me, it would have to be a puncture where whatever it was stayed in and prevented the wound from bleeding. Just makes sense to me that way.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">it sounds like the only real way you could get tetanus is if you say, stepped on a nail and it stuck in your foot.</div>
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And even then, the nail (whether rusty or not) would have to be "contaminated" with tetanus spores.
 

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The nail could come out without causing bleeding, if the wound was deep enough. Deep puncture wounds often<br>
do not bleed at all; that's the concern. But it's still good to know that if you can get the wound to bleed, you're probably okay! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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But I've read that tetanus is all around us, in the air, etc., not just buried in the dirt. So how does it live exposed to all of the oxygen?
 

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Deep puncture wounds sometimes do not bleed, but kids always bleed. Kids are different, they have a very quick circulatory system and when the nail is removed, they'll bleed. That is why we can not find one death from tetanus in kids. I believe someone checked just recently and the youngest they found was 18 EVER!<br><br>
Excluding Africa...(umbilical cord etc.)<br><br>
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You are right. They are on the keyboard you use. On your skin, on your bed, kitchen counter... BUT those are only tetanus spores. They are like dust - EVERYWHERE. They need to have an oxygen free medium to grow. And that would be in a deep puncture wound for example.<br><br>
Those spores need to grow and when they do the by-product that results CAN be poisonous to our body.<br><br>
So, you now see that tetanus is not nearly as dangerous as *they* want us to believe. No more dangerous than pollen or other dust. Otherwise we would all fall over right now and die of tetanus poisoning.
 

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I also heard, apparently from a doctor that using hydrogen peroxide to clean the wound will rid any tetanus, because it is full of oxygen.
 

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So, it sounds like the only time tetanus is a risk is if you've got a deep wound that doesn't bleed or can't be cleaned properly, or if you're in a place with such poor hygiene that tetanus could be introduced after the wound is finished bleeding. Theoretically, I bet there could also be a risk from a deep puncture wound that DOES bleed, if the blood doesn't get to the deepest part of the wound.<br><br>
I'm also curious about the poorer nations where newborns get exposed to tetanus via the umbilical cord stump. I wonder how many babies could be saved with lotus births (not cutting the cord at all and waiting for it to fall off on its own, usually in about 4 days.)
 

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So, if a person of 18 or over did get a deep, nonbleeding wound from, say, stepping on a nail, should he actually get a tetanus shot? Is there a good alternative?<br><br>
Interesting tetanus facts and 'facts.'<br><a href="http://www.nfid.org/factsheets/tetanusadult.html" target="_blank">http://www.nfid.org/factsheets/tetanusadult.html</a>
 

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<i>And that would be in a deep puncture wound for example.</i><br><br>
I know this is an old thread but hopefully somebody's still around to answer!<br><br>
In my research I came across studies showing that up to 50% of tetanus cases are caused by minor wounds (small cuts or splinters) and up to 23% couldn't remember an injury at all. How in the world am I supposed to insure that my child doesn't develop tetanus from these causes? Yes, I'm going to be aware of it if he gets a puncture wound, but he gets little scratches all the time. And little scratches or splinters don't always bleed. Furthermore, he goes with us often to the dog park (where we take our dog for off-leash playtime) and up to 35-55% of dog feces are contaminated with tetanus - I don't want him playing where some dog recently doo'ed and getting sick.<br><br>
I'm just frustrated because 1) even with a healthy child and the best medical care, tetanus still has a 10-20% fatality rate and 2) I don't see any way of protecting him from tiny scratches and splinters and 3) he's going to be in a high-risk environment frequently. Tetanus toxoid is NOT available by itself in Canada, I can't get a straight answer from anyone as to whether it can be legally imported from the U.S., and I'm not immunizing my kid against diptheria and pertussis.
 

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RobinFrolic - I don't know wear in canada you are from, but I would ask different doctors/health units in the area. We vacinated with a tetnus only vacine for both our childern. We live on a farm and are considered very high risk, and tetnus is a horibble disease(my mother had it severl years ago, she had what was considered a mild case and it has left her badly disfigured - and all she had was a scratch on her leg that was then exposed to some earth, she hadn't had a T shot in about 8 years)<br>
In our area our doctor recomends that we get the shot every 5 years(instead of the standard 10)<br>
I had to get one done a couple months ago because I fell into some barbwire fence and had a cut that required cleaning(to remove mud and manure) and stitching.<br>
When you go to emerge for a tetnus shot it is only the tetnus vacine that you get - don't let them tell you it isn't available in canada.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><i>And that would be in a deep puncture wound for example.</i><br><br>
I know this is an old thread but hopefully somebody's still around to answer!<br><br>
In my research I came across studies showing that up to 50% of tetanus cases are caused by minor wounds (small cuts or splinters) and up to 23% couldn't remember an injury at all. How in the world am I supposed to insure that my child doesn't develop tetanus from these causes?</div>
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Got a family tree? Can you let us know if your great grandparents, whose standards of hygiene and living were far lower than ours, managed to live long enough to bring up your ancestors? And how many of them might have died of tetanus as adults let alone babies?<br><br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Yes, I'm going to be aware of it if he gets a puncture wound, but he gets little scratches all the time. And little scratches or splinters don't always bleed. Furthermore, he goes with us often to the dog park (where we take our dog for off-leash playtime) and up to 35-55% of dog feces are contaminated with tetanus - I don't want him playing where some dog recently doo'ed and getting sick.</td>
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You back yard and house and his own faeces have tetanus in too. But your son has lived this long with lots of scratches, and I’m presuming that as of now, he’s not yet had tetanus…<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">I'm just frustrated because 1) even with a healthy child and the best medical care, tetanus still has a 10-20% fatality rate</td>
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What makes you think that a healthy child will get tetanus? How many of the children in your family tree died of tetanus? Have you read any of the medical texts on "when" tetanus is likely to happen?<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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He has an immune system which is designed to do that. However, it does pay to take splinters out, and take care of whatever you do manage to see.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Life is a high-risk occupation. Firstly, we are born to die. Secondly, we are far more likely to die from preventable medical error, which kills 100,000 Americans every year. Your child is far more likely to die in a car accident than of environmentally acquired tetanus. And for him to get that, he would have to have a compromised immune system, either from an immunodeficiency, severe nutritional deficiency, or trauma and neglect. And even in the 1800’s death from tetanus was very rare.<br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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then if you are adamant about him having the tetanus shot, he'll have to have the diphtheria and pertussis as well.<br><br>
You could find it interesting researching the history of, and incidence of the disease tetanus, and look at other methods of treatment such as vitamin C, homeopathy and nutraceuticals? The chances of getting tetanus are very remote in healthy people. My father is 93, spent his life with horses, and up until three years ago, put horse manure all over his garden. He’s never had a shot in his life, and so far, hasn’t died of tetanus.
 
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