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My husband and I (along with support from his mom) are nearly 100% sure we will not be vaxing. When our baby is born, what should we do to keep her immune system working at it's highest potential? Both my husband and I are very healthy to start with, I'm vegan, we do lots of organics, take good care of ourselves, etc. I will definitely be breastfeeding and I know that our baby's immune system will benefit greatly from that. Is it necessary for me to take any supplements while breastfeeding to help her fight off any illnesses she'll be around, just going out in public daily? My only nervousness about not vaxing is that she'll catch something that will badly harm her.
 

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I don't know if there's anything special to take when not vaxing, but all bfing moms should continue with their prenatals. And the great thing about bfing is that as you are exposed to the same things she is (at the grocery store, etc.) your body produces antibodies to fight the germs that are then passed to her via your bm. I'll be watching this thread for any more knowledgeable advice, since I'm in a similar boat!
 

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I think clean living and a decent diet is all you need since you will be breastfeeding.<br>
- Be sure to get your fish oils (epa/dha), some vitamin a, and vitamin c. Avoid sugar and refined carbs.<br>
- The longer you can delay solids the better of your baby will be.<br>
- Give baby lots of fresh air, walks, etc.<br>
- If you do well baby visit schedule super early to avoid all the nasties<br>
- Avoid antibiotics like the plague<br>
- Purchase How To Raise A Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">My husband and I (along with support from his mom) are nearly 100% sure we will not be vaxing. When our baby is born, what should we do to keep her immune system working at it's highest potential? Both my husband and I are very healthy to start with, I'm vegan, we do lots of organics, take good care of ourselves, etc. I will definitely be breastfeeding and I know that our baby's immune system will benefit greatly from that. Is it necessary for me to take any supplements while breastfeeding to help her fight off any illnesses she'll be around, just going out in public daily? My only nervousness about not vaxing is that she'll catch something that will badly harm her.</div>
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In order to give a sensible answer, I would have to ask you a personal question:<br><br>
Have you ever taken, or are you taking oral contraceptives? and if so, for how long in the past?<br><br>
The answer to this question is crucial, as oral contraceptives cause crucial mineral deficiencies which last for a considerable period of time, and also cause actual physical and metabolic changes in a woman which not only can affect her fertility and hormones for the rest of her life, but can also have flow down effects on the baby.<br><br>
These can be partly reversed as far as the baby is concerned during pregnancy, but are much harder to reverse in the woman who has taken oral contraceptives. If the mineral deficiencies are not rectified during pregnancy, they can have a permanent effect on a baby's immune system and biochemistry and potentially result in genetic damage.<br><br>
If you have taken them I can either try to give you a reasonably simple answer here, which will still sound complicated, or if you want the complicated answer from the horse's mouth so to speak, you would need to read a book written by Gynecologist/obstetrician Dr Ellen C Grant (who did much of the early research on oral contraceptives) called "Sexual Chemistry."<br><br>
That she has been sidelined by her peers is an indictment on the pharmaceutical industry, who know full well the "cost" to us women of being blind enough to take their expensive "offers".<br><br>
Yes, I stand guilty as charged, and though I did reasonably well because I've always been a nutritional nutter, there is so much that I wish I had known back then, that I know now.<br><br>
Except how could I? Ellen hadn't written that book then. WE women are so brainwashed by the medical profession that <b><span style="text-decoration:underline;">"I"</span></b> can make myself sick sometimes.<br><br>
But hey, if you really want to sort the issues out, here and now is a good time to talk about it.<br><br>
By the way, for anyone interested, Ellen is helping me sort out my current "issues".
 

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interesting. i got pregnant with ds1 2 months after i got off the pill, was on it for about ten years. i wonder if the library has that book? off to check....<br><br>
nope, just one by someone named Laura Marks with the same title
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">In order to give a sensible answer, I would have to ask you a personal question:<br><br>
Have you ever taken, or are you taking oral contraceptives? and if so, for how long in the past?</div>
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I was on the pill for...almost two years. The last time I was on it was about 1.5 years ago. Edited to add that I went off of it for the reasons listed below...I'm just not comfortable with chemically tricking my body into thinking it's always pregnant. That just weirds me out, and cannot be good for you. I've been using the FAM method, which I love. I really love the Taking Charge of Your Fertility book.<br><br>
Zuri'smom, I added that book to my Amazon wishlist. I've seen it recommended on here before, it seems good.
 

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Oh. Wow.<br>
Another Monkey Wrench in our health. I had <b>no</b> idea the effects on metalbolic and hormonal functioning could be lifelong!<br>
I was on the pill for a good 14 years and went off it 2- 3 full years before I got pregnant with my first. Fortunately I've always taken vitamin supplements and eaten well ( not much junk)<br>
I've not been on it for the last 10 years.
 

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Very interesting. Back when I was first considering birth control ( <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> I was pretty darn young, too, but was researching everything as thoroughly as I could), I decided that I just instinctually didn't like the idea of chemical changing my hormones, so I went with the diaphram. Eventually I manifested a latex allergy, but I think I had had that all along and it took a while before I put two and two together about the diaphram as well.<br><br>
I've got enough mineral balance problems already. I'm gland I don't have to deal with that as well.<br><br>
I'll have to look for that book.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But hey, if you really want to sort the issues out, here and now is a good time to talk about it.<br><br>
By the way, for anyone interested, Ellen is helping me sort out my current "issues".</div>
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YES, can we please talk about it now? I'll find that book as well... After 16 years of synthetic hormone use, I'm quite a mess.
 

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I'd love to hear about it here too.<br><br>
I'm another who, all of a sudden one day, realized that I didn't like what I was doing to myself being on the pill. I was on it for about 7 years - all through HS to regulate my cycle. Gah, I soooo regret that <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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Yes, MT! Please tell us about it. I had years of horrific pain during my periods and was told it was endometriosis (although they never even did a laparoscopy to verify) and I'd have trouble getting pregnant, blah, blah. I took the pill for 6 years and it really helped with the pain. I even got pregnant while on the pill. Just great, one more thing I have to worry about w/DD. As if being a mom isn't hard enough, now I have to think maybe I've caused permanent genetic damage to my child.. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:
 

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I'd love the info as well. I was on the pill and depro for many years (depro for maybe 1 or 2). I got sick of all the side effects of both and went off everything for about a year before getting pregnant.<br><br>
MT, you mention in a lot of your posts about minerals, and selenium ect, is there a good source to read up on all this, to see what foods give what, and how much a person should have? Thanks!
 

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Found an interesting link to the topic brought up by MT:<br><br><a href="http://www.all-natural.com/estrog-2.html" target="_blank">http://www.all-natural.com/estrog-2.html</a>
 

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^^^ I bookmarked that link, thanks for posting it.<br><br>
MT, I'm interested in the info you have to share, as well.
 

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I'm interested as well. I've never been on hormonal birth control; however, I've heard a lot about potential problems, and am very interested.<br><br>
Pariah-My naturopath gave me a supplement to take when my DS had a bit of an ear infection--the idea being it would pass to DS through my breastmilk. If you're interested in the name, PM me. It sounds like you've got it all under control, though!<br><br>
COngrats!
 

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Me too. I was on it for 7 years - went off at 21, am now 34. I had no idea - will definitely be checking out that book.
 

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Hi there!<br><br>
Well, not that you don't have enough to read I wanted to toss this website and book out to you and also internet show that I have found hands down awesome:<br><br>
*has various articles on health and children's natural heath. Can sign up for his newsletters and read his archives. His site is really great I think.<br><br><a href="http://www.cure-guide.com" target="_blank">www.cure-guide.com</a><br><br><br>
*this book I refer to ALL the time. It has a ton on keeping your child healthy naturally and building immune systems:<br><br><a href="http://www.cure-guide.com/Child_Health_Guide/child_health_guide.html" target="_blank">http://www.cure-guide.com/Child_Heal...lth_guide.html</a><br><br><br>
*this is a great site and on the main page you will see an internet show that takes place every wednesday. You can click on it and also listen to the archives. Awesome advice given...love it:<br><br><a href="http://www.hpakids.org" target="_blank">www.hpakids.org</a>
 
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