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I am not afraid of this new flu bug. Over the last several years we have been warned of the Hong Kong, Asian, Spanish, bird, West Nile, H1N1, and swine flus, yet the regular flu gets more of us each year. I guess the CDC and MSM think we need a new "boogy man" every few cycles to hold our interest.

As for me, I take my vitamin C, D, and A, garlic, echinacea, zinc, hot tea, honey, ACV, ginger, horseradish, habanero peppers, oregano oil, tumeric, onions, elderberries, and lemon juice to stave off any threat of the flu. If I do get ill despite all of my precautions as I do once in a great while, I get some time to rest and rebuild my immune system. I do recall that I was sick in bed every three months when I was in college as I was under much stress with school and working. So stress is a big factor for me at least. I have lived in this body for a long time and I know how to take care of it.

No, I am not afraid. And there is a compound full of people quarantined from China just down the road from me.
 

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I am not afraid of this new flu bug. Over the last several years we have been warned of the Hong Kong, Asian, Spanish, bird, West Nile, H1N1, and swine flus, yet the regular flu gets more of us each year. I guess the CDC and MSM think we need a new "boogy man" every few cycles to hold our interest.

As for me, I take my vitamin C, D, and A, garlic, echinacea, zinc, hot tea, honey, and lemon juice to stave off any threat of the flu. If I do get ill despite all of my precautions as I do once in a great while, I get some time to rest and rebuild my immune system. I do recall that I was sick in bed every three months when I was in college as I was under much stress with school and working. So stress is a big factor for me at least. I have lived in this body for a long time and I know how to take care of it.

No, I am not afraid.
I'm not afraid of the virus, there are a number of good remedies for a nasty upper respiratory illness. What I am afraid of is the fallout of the absolute hysteria that they are working the world into. The frankly draconian measures that China is taking, the economic stall their country is heading for. The further economic ramifications due to the globalization of industries and credit crises almost all first world nations are undergoing. The headless chicken approach of our own government. That is something to be concerned about... They've been shrieking about a global pandemic for decades and are frothing at the mouth that they might actually have one.
 

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Not afraid.

The list we could make about the times the sky was supposed to have fallen in....
 
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20years of doom and gloom the media has portrayed....

What's the media trying to cover up with this coronavirus sensation?

I don't think the media is in charge. The question is who is pushing the story and for what purposes.
 

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The problem, IMO, is there's no way of knowing how seriously we should actually take this.

The unknowns with a new virus are one thing, and a given. But the media (and, I think, a certain portion of the "science community" - for lack of a better descriptive term) has been repetitively hyping each new disease to the point of "the boy who cried wolf". Add that to the lack of science education in the US. Very few journalists can actually write about science from a scientific perspective. A lot of people, journalists included, can't even remember the last news cycle and live constantly stressed by the new scary-thing. Some keep believing the little boy, and others say he's a big fat liar. (I think he might be the same kid who told me not to trust my grandmother's cooking, and then changed his mind a few decades later.)

So far at least, and like most diseases, the new virus doesn't seem to pose much of a threat to people with access to decent health care. Most cases outside Asia have been able to recover fully at home, without even visiting a hospital.
 

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I don't think the media is in charge. The question is who is pushing the story and for what purposes.
Sure they are -- whats the first thing people turn to in time of tragedy, be it health or natural disaster? News. The bigger the audience, the more the news is going to get out about whatever the media has taken hold of. This time it happens to be coronavirus....as I said, what's being covered up in the meantime to distract the masses? (mainly in the USA)
 

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I don't think the news has much of an impact at all on those that are seeking a more natural way of life. Drug companies and food companies have a huge overreach and that trickles down to a lot of things. Where did get your flu shot at mcdonalds go?
 

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I don't think the news has much of an impact at all on those that are seeking a more natural way of life. Drug companies and food companies have a huge overreach and that trickles down to a lot of things. Where did get your flu shot at mcdonalds go?
it doesn't, because those of us have critical thinking skills and don't blindly trust the media.... a lot of society in the US seems to blindly follow, and repeat falsehoods heard as well.
 

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Not afraid of the virus itself, but piggybacking off another thread that ties into this one, CT just had a large showing of unvaxxed to protest HB5044, which was unfortunately bullied it's way through the Public Health Committee. Now less than a week later this in the news: https://www.wtnh.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccine-to-be-tested-at-meriden-lab/

"Sanofi – which owns Protein Science – self-defines as a company focused on “human vaccines, rare diseases, multiple sclerosis, oncology, immunology, infectious diseases,” among other things.

Sanofi reports that they will be use work already done in search of a SARS vaccine to “unlock a fast path forward for developing a COVID-19 vaccine.”

Researchers will be working with the Department of Health in their pursuit."


Also this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/17/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html

"the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo told passengers that no one infected with the new coronavirus would be allowed to board charter flights to the United States.

But those plans were hastily changed after the test results for 14 passengers came back positive — just as they were being loaded onto buses and dispatched to the airport, where two reconfigured cargo jets were waiting to fly them to military bases in California and Texas.

After consultations with health experts, the U.S. government decided to let the infected evacuees, who were not yet exhibiting symptoms, board the flights."

So after some news report this morning stated that it's been reported on every continent except Antarctica, we're now flying known cases back on regular flights and lets just see how this impacts our numbers here. But it's ok we have a vaccine in the works! And once all of these states do away with exemptions this will just get added to the requirements and no one will have any way to object or opt out! Schools and colleges are cancelling international trips left and right and preparing for the closure of campus classes while media is telling people to stock up with food in case of mandatory quarantines. This is straight out of the movies insanity. If people would only wake up and realize how much of this is hype and use their critical thinking to see past the media reported nonsense....
 

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Similar to previous fear-mongering outbreaks / 'epidemics', I'm noticing a pattern, i.e.:
A man in his 70s has become second person to die of coronavirus in the U.S. Officials said man was at EvergreenHealth hospital in King County, Washington, and had underlying health conditions at the time of his illness, and died on Saturday.

A man in his 50s with underlying health conditions was previously confirmed to have died of coronavirus at the same hospital.

Officials also confirmed three other cases at EvergreenHealth - a woman in her 80s, a woman in her 90s and a man in his 70s - all of whom are in a critical condition.
So it doesn't seem that this bogey man virus is striking down healthy people in their prime.
 

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Seems to me that there maybe something wrong with the ventilation system at the hospital.

Which makes the coronavirus2019 influenza a nosocomial infection.
 
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The hype is irritating. Every year, some sort of bug, with or without a vaccine, circulates. People get sick from it. The overwhelming majority stay in bed sleeping, reading books, and streaming movies. A small percentage suffer more severely but pull through. A tiny percentage tragically die.

I support more medical research and interventions that will prevent those rare deaths. I do not support fear-mongering, hysteria, and making the simple act of getting a mild case of an illness into something terrifying . . . or taboo.
 

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A post from a doctor that has worked with the coronavirus since the 70's.

Date: February 26, 2020 at 2:35:50 PM EST
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.

7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email.

Good luck to all of us! Jim
James Robb, MD FCAP
 
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