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if I inform her at my son's 9 month that he is NOT receiving any more vaccines, other than tetanus when he is old enough to actually maybe *get* a puncture wound?<br><br>
She is at a clinic in practice with another doc who I hear everyone who doesn't vax goes to.<br><br>
my son gets medicaid for insurance, so I can't switch docs. And I'm not sure I *want* to, I like his doc......but she talked me into not waiting on his first vax'es. I really don't know though, I am *hoping* that now that I've done the research and can cite specific concerns that relate directly to MY child, it will go better than just 'well, because' followed by NOTHING because I didn't really *have* a reason.<br><br>
OK............I just really don't want to search out another ped! I didn't KNOW when I was pregnant that I was going to be anything but mainstream!
 

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Dd's ped threw am absolute fit about the non-vaxing issue. I took in a bunch of info and told her that I was going to wait until she was 2 before we made any decisions. She basically told me that I was abusing my child.<br><br>
Unfortunately you will run into this attitude a lot. My best advice would be to try and get into see the other dr in the same clinic. You should be able to do this with Medicaid.<br><br>
If not, a little decorum goes a long way. I understand your feelings and the urge to shout from the rooftops how BAD vaxs are, but there have been cases of child services becoming invloved. If all else fails, just smile sweetly and tell them that you have gotten the shots at the health dept.
 

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that was my plan to take my research with me and tell her exactly what I read ON THE PACKAGE INSERTS that I object to. My doctor can't tell me the PACKAGE INSERTS are anti-vax propaganda, right? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> He doesn't need any vax's at 9 mos. but he will at 12.<br>
and under NO CIRCUMSTANCES anyway was my child EVER having a CHICKENPOX SHOT of all the STUPID things ever invented...they give that at 12 months too.<br>
I HAD CHICKENPOX. I itched for about a week. It sucked. I got over it. Now, I have lifetime immunity and any baby of mine will have infancy immunity transferred transplacentally and through breastmilk.<br>
Shots don't do that. They've already proven that with measles vaccine--now one fof the highest groups for measles is babies under a year--they aren't getting the immunity because the mother had the VACCINE not the DISEASE!<br>
you know what the solution will be soon don't you? Oh let's give the shot at 2.4. and 6 months too! grr
 

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If you take anything with you & start giving her your reasons, realize that you're giving her fuel. You don't owe anyone any explanations or reasons why. IME, less is more.
 

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Do you have philosophical exemption in your state? Does it go against your personal religious beliefs? (Anyone with a religion that has anything in it about not harming other people can consider vax against their religion, imo) Then I would just say "they're against our beliefs" and leave it at that, and NOT let the doc drag you into a debate about it. Absolutely refuse to talk about why, what your religion is, what your religion says about vaxes, etc.
 

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I gotta agree with amnesiac and paquerette. You do not owe her an explanation. The chances of the doctor saying, "hmm, you've got some solid reasons there and I can see why you don't want to vaccinate any more," are sooo small. Just say you aren't getting any more for now and if she pushes say you will let her know when you want to vaccinate again.<br>
Good luck and don't be intimidated!
 

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true. It's MY child. I think I'll just tell her I have objections to some of the ingredients and leave it at that. If she *really* pushes me I'll tell her I'll get them when they make them WITHOUT human fetal cells, gelatin, formaldehyde, toxic metals, and when they start testing the chicken eggs for diseases before using them and injecting them into my child!! :LOL which is the truth.
 

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Depending on your location and your doctor I guess, but you do take a risk by even admitting that you question the safety and effectiveness of the vaxes. If you don't have a philosophical exemption in your state, you won't have a leg to stand on unless you're claiming religious beliefs, kwim?
 

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I can claim that too <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1">
 

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Hi Mama! I've been "watching" you learn more and more about vaccines for a little while now and I love your spunk! In this case, though, I think you should take what some of the more seasoned mamas here are saying about this aspect of the issue. The temptation to "share" what you now know can be very strong, but I have to agree with PP's that caution is in order. Most times, getting into a "discussion" about vaxxes with a pedi is fruitless and only serves to get you upset and give them more fuel for the fire.<br><br>
If you have a religious belief about it, then that is all you need to tell them. They should back off at that point. End of discussion--usually <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/eyesroll.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="roll"><br><br>
If you just can't hold back (like some of us <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/mischievous.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="mischief"> ), then I ( I mean they- :LOL ) would start asking questions. Docs get really defensive when you come at them with information. If you ask questions, it softens them and they may actually start thinking about how to answer your questions. You could say something like, "I was reading this package insert and it says something here about human diploid cells. Is it true that they use human fetal cell lines in some of the vaccines?" There are plenty of other "questions" you could pose based on your reading of the inserts. You get the idea.<br><br>
Then, if he/she is still receptive you can go into some of the questions that Gitti has posed. She has an huge post with these types of questions. I'm sure we could do a search for it and find it rather quickly. Things like:<br><br>
Can you GUARANTEE that my ds will not have a reaction or suffer any long-term effects from getting this shot?<br><br>
Can you guarantee the effectiveness of this vaccine you hope to inject into my child?<br><br>
Will you personally be responsible should anything happen to him?<br><br>
You kind of have to feel your way through if you decide to challenge and make you true objections known. In order to do this effectively, you also need to be totally grounded in what you believe about vaccines and their ingredients. You cannot waiver. You must be confident and ready with answers because they WILL attempt to get you to change your mind, sometimes with their logic, brainwashing or coercion and threatening.<br><br>
You may indeed be asked to leave the practice--I was and so were many here. There are also horror stories to be heard about DSS involvement in cases where a parent refused vaccines. I'm not saying this to scare you, just to let you know that it does happen. DSS is not supposed to be able to make a case against you based on your vaccine status, but it happens.<br><br>
Good luck and keep us posted!
 

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I hope your doc doesn't kick you out, mine did. I agree that it's best not to get into all the reasons you don't want to vaccinate...it's amazing the variety of tactics pediatricians will use to try to force you to vax. Hope it all works out for you!
 

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The thing is, there are 4 ped's who all work together at the clinic my son goes to--all take turns being on call, you see one of the others if yours isn't in, etc. ONE of the 4 (not my doc) has a big rep for being the one all the non-vax'ers go to. It's all the same waiting room, they all work together. so really I don't see that one could kick me out when the other is well known for taking non vaxed kids. I don't know about the other 2.<br><br>
I'm pretty attached to where I am....my pedi is bf supportive, even had me try it in her office when he was so adamantly refusing to see if she could see the problem, checked him for tongue-tie at LEAST 4 times for me, and agreed with me that the stupid bottle in the hospital did it. (I didn't deliver where she primarily practices either. She's new in town and didn't know that hospital's policy on not using anything but bottles to supplement--neither did I.) Wrote me a note to keep my hospital-grade pump for free from the local WIC office because ds never did figure out latching and of course my milk was better than formula for him.<br><br>
I can only hope she'll at least respect this decision, as she's so far supported everything else I've done with him.
 

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I always just said "I'm researching. When I'm ready, I'll set up an appt." That's it. Said with a smile, of course.
 

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Ours would have kicked us out, but we left before she had the chance. Our dd had been vaxed until we adopted her at age 7 months. This ped was all over us to continue the vaxes, but we told her we were waiting (although we had no plans of continuing). She ended up telling us that she didn't feel comfortable waiting any longer than 18 months of age and that was when I knew there was nothing but trouble on the way. So we left their practice. She actually gave me an article about vaxes that was supposed to convince me that all the hype was just that, you know one of those JAMA reports or something. I laughed out loud in front of her as I was reading it because it only backed up my fears! I couldn't believe she and I could read the same thing and come up with absolute opposite understanding of it. It proved to me what her motives were and I knew she and I would never see eye to eye on the issues and she was unwilling to respect my choice.<br><br>
I also discussed my dh's MS and told her that we were freaked out about adding any sort of stuff in our children and she informed me that my dd wasn't BIOLOGICALLY ours so I shouldn't even worry about that. It was nearly ON at that moment! :LOL The whole thing smacked of ignorance on her part.<br><br>
I really hope that your ped is willing to at least respect your informed choices and that you are able to continue to see her without problems. You're in a tough spot. Stay strong, momma!
 

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The first recommendation I would give is to look up your state's law. Here are two links to get you started:<br><br><a href="http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/allstates.htm" target="_blank">http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/allstates.htm</a><br><br><a href="http://vaclib.org/exemption.htm" target="_blank">http://vaclib.org/exemption.htm</a><br><br>
It is unfortunate; but you need to be prepared with proper info. Your doctor may not even know what the law states.
 
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