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i am not sure what age children start full time education normally in the us, but i keep hearing about your 4 yo's in pre-school and your 6 yo's in kindergarten, well my 6yo has been in full time education for 18 months and my baby who just turned 4 at the end of february will be starting school in september (mornings only till october and then full time)<br><br>
it took me about 6 months to adjust to my 6yo being at school full time, and as the time approaches for ds2 to start it makes me feel like crying, i know i will miss him so much.<br><br>
i just wish they didnt start school till they were older. i know homeschooling for a couple of years is always an option, but with the way school places are allocated, if i do not accept ds's place at the nice local primary school (its within walking distance of us) now - there are no guarantess that he will ever get a place there, as so many schools in the area of very heavily over subscribed.<br><br>
i just hate the thought of not being with him all day <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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My DS has a late-October birthday, and will be eligible to start kindergarten when he's still 4 unless we decide to hold him back a year, so I know where you're coming from! It's hard to think of him so little and going off to "real" school. We're just going to wait and see whether he seems ready once we get closer to the date.<br><br>
To answer your question about school start dates in the U.S., it varies by state. In my state, kids have to be 5 by December 1st to start school in September of the same year, so some kindergarteners (like my DS) are 4 when they start. In some other states, kids have to be 5 by September 1st, so all kindergarteners are at least 5 when they start.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">that sounds a lot better to me</div>
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Actually I am pretty sure kindergarten is not compulsory in very many states. In my state, children are supposed to be enrolled in school or be registered as a homeschooler by the Sept 1 that they are 7 years old. However, all children can be registered for kindergarten at their local public school the year they are 5 by Sept 1, and there are slots for children to attend a 4 year old full day program, but they are by lottery. You are always able to register at the school your residence is assigned to; they just overcrowd.
 

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I know how you feel oliversmum, my DD is 5 and she's about to finish 1st grade, and starting 2nd grade in September<br><br>
While everyone here say, that their 5 year old are in kindergarten,
 

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Preschool can start at age 3 or 4. Kindergarten at 5. First grade at 6. My DS started preschool at 4 1/2. Kindergarten at 5 1/2. Preschool is optional and Kindergarten became a requirement only 3-4 years ago in our state. Actually it used to be 1/2 day for kindergarten but more and more places are making it all day. Easier on working parents. I started DS at 4 1/2 by choice because he was so ready for school. He loves it. I know 5 yr olds in his class that should not be away from mom yet. Each child is different but sadly few parents have options because of work. I am actually glad that even though my son is totally ready for full day of school in kindergarten I can keep him at a half day.
 

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Oliversmum,<br>
My dd is due to start school in the autumn, and even with an October birthday, I'm hating the idea.<br>
Now what if you don't enrol dd2 in September, apply again next year, and basically just wait till they have a place for him? Kids move away sometimes, and I'm sure the school will want to fill their places for funding if nothing else. I know that's what I'd do if dd didn't absolutely WANT to go to school, which she does <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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If it helps, your 4yo is only 5months away from turning 5 when she enters K which is the normal age for entering K in North America. Here there are some preschools which are basically K in training and they start them at age 3. My oldest turned 5 3 months after starting K, she only went all day every other day though. Cut off is Dec 31 here. She was 2 when she started playschool(non education based).<br><br>
a friend of mine is in the UK temporarily(2 or 3 years). She struggled with the same thing more because she didn't want her dd to be bored in K when they got back to the US. In the end she decided to send her because it was the only way her dd would get any peer socialization since the other kids were all in school. They move back to the US at the end of the month.<br><br>
Another friend lives in Australia. Their school system runs on different months than ours. Her dd started K(full day, every day) in Jan, 3 months before she turned 5.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Preschool can start at age 3 or 4. Kindergarten at 5. First grade at 6.</div>
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At 6??? How I envy you!! Here in Wales they start Year 1 at 5.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">At 6??? How I envy you!! Here in Wales they start Year 1 at 5.</div>
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I wonder, are we sure we're comparing apples to apples? According to this link (which is, admittedly, just some random person's answer -- I can't find anything definitive), the U.S.'s first grade is equivalent to the U.K.'s Year 2, which would mean that, in both cases, the kids are about 6 years old.<br><br><a href="http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070412123800AAge3An&show=7" target="_blank">http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...AAge3An&show=7</a><br><br>
Does anyone have a more definitive/informative explanation of how the two systems' grade levels compare?
 

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I know Year 2 in the UK is equivalent to Year 1 in America, so???<br>
Infant School:<br>
Rection 4-5<br>
Year 1 5-6<br>
Year 2 6-7<br><br>
Primary School<br>
Year 3 7-8<br>
and so on until Year 6
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I know Year 2 in the UK is equivalent to Year 1 in America, so???<br>
Infant School:<br>
Rection 4-5<br>
Year 1 5-6<br>
Year 2 6-7<br><br>
Primary School<br>
Year 3 7-8<br>
and so on until Year 6</div>
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I'm a little confused. It sounds like you're saying the same thing I did -- that the U.K.'s "Year 2" (6-7yo) is the same thing as the U.S.'s "1st grade" (6-7yo).<br><br>
So wouldn't that mean that "Year 1" (5-6yo) is the same thing as "kindergarten" (5-6yo), and that although our school systems use different naming conventions, kids of the same age are in equivalent "grades" at the same time? So why the lamenting and so-called envy?<br><br>
It sounds like your "reception" is equivalent to our "pre-kindergarten," but some here are thinking that reception = kindergarten, and are therefore wondering why U.K. kids start school earlier than U.S. kids, but that doesn't really seem to be the case; we just call it something different. Does that make sense?
 

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We were supposed to move to the UK this year, right after dd turned four. It's a long sad story why we didn't but I was really sad we didn't. But, when I thought we were moving there, I was worried that everyone would think it was odd that she wasn't in school. (We homeschool.)<br>
What about France? I'm friends with a French mama and she says that in France they start at three! Eegads!
 

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No, Year 1 is fthe equivalent of first grade. I'm talking about Wales here, I don't know about England, I think it's the same.<br>
Kids began at 3(and is not compulsory) the not compulsory education is from ages 3-5 that includes Reception(which I misspelled sorry lol)<br><br>
Key stage 1(compulsory) begans at 5, my DD is in Year 1, that's when compulsory educations begins, full time you know, Key stage one covers Year 1 and Year 2<br>
Key stage 2 is the second phase, it covers from Year 3 to Year 6<br><br>
Part time classes are for children aged 3-4 and full time from 4-5<br><br>
At Key stage 1 (Year 1 and 2) they have subjects like Welsh, English(not requiered in some schools in Wales) Math, Science,etc, my DD is taking those subjects and is in Year 1,<br>
Does a kindergarten has those subjects???
 

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Here are the content standards for kindergarten, at least in California:<br><br>
English/Language Arts:<br><a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/engkindergarten.asp" target="_blank">http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/engkindergarten.asp</a><br><br>
Math:<br><a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/mthkindergarten.asp" target="_blank">http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/mthkindergarten.asp</a><br><br>
History/Social Science:<br><a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/hstkindergarten.asp" target="_blank">http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/hstkindergarten.asp</a><br><br>
Science:<br><a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/sckindergarten.asp" target="_blank">http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/sckindergarten.asp</a><br><br>
There's also Physical Education and Visual/Performing Arts, but I couldn't get the links to work.<br><br>
Also, according to this, Year 1 is not the same as 1st Grade; it's the same as Kindergarten:<br><br><a href="http://www.education-otherwise.org/Trivia/UK-US%20Comparison%20Chart.htm" target="_blank">http://www.education-otherwise.org/T...on%20Chart.htm</a>
 

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Where I live they don't start them until 7. Emotionally mature children can start at 6 but it's not recommended by the schools. You really have to pull strings to get them in. They are all reading and writing by the age of 8, though, at the same level as kids in the west.
 

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Maybe i don't consider Year 1 as Kindergarten, because in my Kindergaten years, we didn't have those subjects we didn't do anything really.<br>
But my point is that Year 1 is full time classes.
 

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Oliversmum, I really have no clue how the school system works in England (or Wales if thats where you live), but do check out your laws. In Scotland a child doesn't legally have to start school until they turn 5. My ds turned 5 in Feb. Because of the way the school intake works he should have started last year (at only 4 years old), but I decided not to send him. He got an extra years funding for nursery school. He should be starting school in August this year (but we are going to home educate anyway). If your ds got a place at your local school this year then i don't see why he wouldn't get a place next year.<br><br>
But yes, I agree with you. One of my main reasons for deciding to home educate was that I thought my children were too young to be spending all day away from me. I also watched a programme on Teachers TV (don't know if you have that channel? Its on the basic cable package with Telewest - or whatever they've changed their name to now) It compared children in England starting school at 4 years old to children in Germany (i think) and some of the other eastern European countries starting school at 7 years old. After being in school for only one term, the late starting 7 year olds had caught up to the same level of education as the children starting at 4. I thought that was amazing. It seems like the first couple of years of school are a waste of time if you can learn all that information within a few months at 7 years old. The programme makers presented that information to the government, but they said they weren't going to change anything "because thats the way its always been done." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/dizzy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Dizzy">:
 

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Here they legaly dont have to start school til 6yo but kindergarten is required <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I hate that rule wish it was never put into affect.
 

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My eldest started her education in the British primary system although it was in Hong Kong, and for her, Year 1 was definitely the equivalent of kindergarten, but a "academic" kindergarten, not a playbased one which my other two attended. We moved to the US when she was 6.5 and was in Year 2 in Hong Kong, she was placed in 1st grade and was on a par with the other kids.
 
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