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So, as I mentioned before I have been a little OCd reading up on this, as I really want to make sure I test negative so I don't have to worry about doing a homebirth. Although, my mw is laissez faire about the whole issue I don't want to just blow it off. So, I get my copy in today of "Natural Pregnancy Handbook" by Aviva Jill Romm. It says that one risk factor is persistent vaginal infections. I have been on the verge of a yeast infection nearly this entire pregnancy. I swear any sweets, or refined products and it starts. Oh, and not only that the yeast increases chances of thrush after the baby is born.

So, now I am even more paranoid. I guess I will be going on a strict anti-yeast diet from here on out. I should have a long time ago, but it is so frustrating when my body can tolerate so little. URGHHHHH!

I guess I will be doing the vit C, echinicea, propolis, acidopholus, and garlic suppositories every other night.
 

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thanks, I will add that to the list. This natural healing stuff sure gets expensive!
 

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I know!!! It makes me crazy sometimes, but in the end I feel it's worth it. yesterday I spent 20 dollars on echinacea, and another 20 on lavender oil for scenting my home when I want something smelly in the air... We can only hope that as more and more people catch on to doing things the natural way these things might get cheaper.
 

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It can make you crazy but stick with it! I have yeast issues pretty bad and acidophilus has made my life so much better! Stick with it mama!
 

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the yeast is making crazy! I have been consistently eating keifir and taking acidopholus for the entire pregnancy. I hardly eat sweets, yet it is not enough for my body. urghhh.... I bought some liquid acidophilous this time around and am upping my dosage--ooos- I thought it had said 2 T a day, but it is supposed to be 3 x a day, so maybe that will help. Oh, and I have decided to give up underwear as well. I am ready to just be through with all of this especially when reading about what else it can lead to...

oh, and I am pretty sure I have spent more at the hfs the past 2 weeks than I have on food!

dh is on an anti-yeast diet as well. He has had a yeast rash for 6+ years... yep years, but I couldn't get him to give up the sweets, carbs, and dairy. So, no sex for us either....
 

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thanks, I will add that to the list. This natural healing stuff sure gets expensive!
I know!! I spent 60 bucks last night at the natural food store and now I smell like garlic out of every orfice
 

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ok, you are cracking me up... I was just wondering what the ob is going to think when he does the swab... I think I wil have dh do a sniff test before I go in
I was thinking I need to be eating some garlic as well, but as I like to sweat I really don't want to smell like garlic...
 

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hmmm, I've been told by a couple gyno's that I'm one of those rare women who is immune to yeast infections. I have never had one, therefore I don't know the suffering involved in it. However, I did test GBS positive with my 1st, never made it to being tested w/my 2nd. I believe I prolly got it b/c, well, you know, sometimes when you're DTD, your DP sometimes slips out in a real wicked manner and migrates to the exit only. I think that's how the bacteria got up there for me. I'm not really sure.
 

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I believe I prolly got it b/c, well, you know, sometimes when you're DTD, your DP sometimes slips out in a real wicked manner and migrates to the exit only. I think that's how the bacteria got up there for me. I'm not really sure.
Oh yeah!! I think that's what happens too, but reading it out really made me ROTFL
 

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I know!! I spent 60 bucks last night at the natural food store and now I smell like garlic out of every orfice

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Okay, but seriously-- instructions please? I want to do the garlic and anything else before I test (not sure when but I'm about 34 wks now so getting ready) and I only have a vague idea about peeling garlic, threading it, and sticking up there. Anything else to know???
 

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Okay, but seriously-- instructions please? I want to do the garlic and anything else before I test (not sure when but I'm about 34 wks now so getting ready) and I only have a vague idea about peeling garlic, threading it, and sticking up there. Anything else to know???
that's about it. my book says to make sure not to knick it. Also, it is easier to do at night. I tried it yesterday during the day and at first it was slidding down, which is supper uncomfortable, then when I put it further up it wasn't real comfortable.
 

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Oh yeah!! I think that's what happens too, but reading it out really made me ROTFL

yep, another reason dh isn't getting any...
 

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yep, another reason dh isn't getting any...
so I'm not the only one?! There I was thinking 'oh, poor hubby', but then HE isn't the one carrying the load, nor the one who has to due the heavy duty antibotics b/c of GBS.

No matter how *clean* one may keep herself down there, that stuff can still manage to find its way in. Plus, who wants to stop what they're doing while DTD and wash him off when those dreaded, very painful slips happen?
 

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Okay, but seriously-- instructions please? I want to do the garlic and anything else before I test (not sure when but I'm about 34 wks now so getting ready) and I only have a vague idea about peeling garlic, threading it, and sticking up there. Anything else to know???
I was instructed to take a clove of garlic, cut it in half, and insert. I am sticking a string through it though (I can just imagine garlic cloves coming out when I am pushing the baby out
) I am also taking garlic oil 1500 mg once daily. I take it at night when I am going to bed because it is rather gross and I prefer to sleep through it. I tested positive and I will retest in two weeks. I told my MW i want to do the vaginal and rectal swabs separately so we know the exact source. If you do a search there is alot of info on what to take.
This is a list of what I am taking...

Vag garlic supp
oral garlic oil 1500mg x1 daily
vit C 500 mg 3 x's daily
bee propolis 2 x's daily
acidophilus x1 daily
( I will use a hibiclens douche during labor)

This site offers instructions on the use of vaginal garlic supp.
http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/gbsCohain.html
 

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Plus, who wants to stop what they're doing while DTD and wash him off when those dreaded, very painful slips happen?
I have a little trouble believing that those "slips" are accidents.... And DH agrees!
 

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While I understand wanting to take precautions with GBS, I think the main thing is to know and understand the symptoms of a possible GBS infections. I had the test during my first pg and tested positive (never had a yeast infection before this or during this pg though). I was put on antibiotics IV during labor at the hospital. However, with my second child after loads of reading, I refused the test. I did however take special note of symptoms of GBS and was fully prepared to treat if I had the risk factors. There is a great list of them in Ina May's Guide to Childbirth and they are: extended rupture of waters, fever during birth, and I think preterm labor (though I'm not really remembering this one as well). This pg the doc didn't even mention the test for GBS. . .honestly neither did the midwife and they are both VERY medicalized, perhaps it just isn't done here as regularly.
 

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I am aware of the signs and symptoms of GBS as well. However, after reading that I have a risk factor for colonization I do not want to treat this lightly. Especially in the offchance that I end up the hospital it is automatic antibiotics, I am not just going to accept that without trying to prevent things first. I understand some people just chose to ignore the issue altogether, however after reading more I don't personally feel comfortable doing that. Besides the chronic yeast infections are something I need to deal with regardless, I do not want to set us up for bf'ing problems from the start.
 

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The thing to remember with GBS is that it is transient. You can have it one week, and test negative a few weeks later. Conversely, you can test negative, but be positive at birth. Because the test takes the lab a week or so to process, the best most people can do is to test between 35-37 weeks and hope that their result will be the same at birth (about 80% are).

Anything that you do to convert a positive test to a negative test can be temporary, and the gbs can come back later. That's why antibiotics in pregnancy don't work. If your goal is to have a negative test because of local community standards around treating that you are hoping to avoid, well that is one thing, but you can't really assume that you got rid of it if you were planning on treating. It is a tricky bug.

Like with everything, know what you are treating for, and know what you decide against as an informed choice, whatever your decision on this matter.

GBS is a big deal, despite it being relatively rare, even as compared to other neonatal infections like e-coli, is that parents' groups lobbied the government and health insurance companies to begin treating it. The impetus for prevention and treatment came from parents who had children affected by GBS and felt it was wrong that they weren't offerred a test or a way of preventing it when a way was known. It was a parental activist issue.

Now, of course, like many things, the medical community has latched on to it and now the gold standard is testing and treatment for all. No surprise there.

GBS is still very rare. It is a case where by taking the antibiotics you are reducing the chance of transmission from 1/200 (if you test positive) to 1/4000 if you take the antibiotics in labour, and 1/2000 if you take the antibiotics if you have a risk factor (fever in labour, long rupture of membranes of more than 18 hours at birth, preterm labour and birth, a gbs uti in pregnancy, a previous baby infected with gbs). About 15% of these 1/200 colonized babies will die from GBS. They typically die from meningitis, sepsis, pneumonia, or are blinded. Newborns don't process antibiotics well themselves, so they need to be given the antibiotics via their mother's placenta, and so that there are already antibiotics in their bloodstreams when they are exposed to the GBS, offering the greatest protection. Treating prophylactically for GBS means many babies are exposed to antibiotics unnecessarily.

That means that if you are positive, according to the CDC, the risk of your baby dying without antibiotics is 1/3000. If you take the antibiotics, the risk of your baby dying from GBS is 1/30,000. If you treat on risk factors, the risk of your baby dying from GBS is 1/15,000. Only each woman can decide if the exposure to the antibiotics is worth it to her to reduce the risk. The risk of an anaphylactic reaction to antibiotics in the woman is 1/10,000. The risk of an allergic, non-life-threatening reaction is 1/1000. The risk of an anaphylactic reaction in the baby is nil. Babies who become colonized will need to be admitted to the hospital and face a battery of tests, including spinal taps, an iv, and likely breastfeeding will be affected. They are profoundly ill.

There are so many things to juggle. I hate having to make up my mind. One one hand, I feel like it is a big deal over a small risk and unnecessary antibiotics for 1/199 babies, on the other hand, I feel like it is a small risk of something catastrophic happening that simple antibiotics would greatly reduce.
 

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The other consideration I forgot to mention is hospital policy. Some hospitals have the policy that if you are GBS positive and didn't treat, and your little one ends up in the hospital, that baby is treated as if it has GBS, in the nursery, full septic workup, iv, huge exposure to antibiotics, spinal tap, the whole nine yards. Some people test, hoping it is negative so that won't happen, or treat if they are positive, just to avoid that possible scenerio. Some people don't.
 
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