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It was all of this crap going on in education, not the vaccine issue, that got me homeschooling. http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015...t-out-movement-makes-a-wave-in-new-york-state

Let's look at some parallels.

1. The experts know best. Parents are ignorant and misinformed.

2. Make sure to mention how easy it is to "get an exemption," (from the link, " . . . they're not getting punished for it"), perhaps to stir the pot and ensure a crack-down on the non-compliant rebels.

3. Schools need a 95% testing compliance rate in order to ensure "herd immunity" from federal intervention and sanctions. Test-pushers use this bit of information in order to guilt parents into testing their children not for the child's interest, but for the good of the herd/school.

4. Both high-stakes testing and aggressive, draconian vaccine mandates have united outraged parents from across the political spectrum.

5. Vaccine-pushing and test-pushing have some wealthy fat cats and uncouth lobbyists who stand to profit.

6. Vaccine-pushing and standardized test-pushing are both inspiring parents to opt-out by filing exemptions or homeschooling.

ETA: 7. Some school districts are questioning how "sincere" parents are in their beliefs against the tests. http://optoutoregon.org/2015/03/07/eugene-school-district-doubts-parent-religious-beliefs-are-legit/ I kid you not: Oregon families need to file a "religious exemption" to get their kids out of the tests.

Am I the only one who sees the assault on vaccine choice as part of a broader trend of the State insisting on raising our families for us?
 

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There has been a great deal of backlash here about standarized testing. Here is an article on student protests from two local high schools, one my DD goes to. :wink:

“Our school is going to be harmed and our teachers are going to be harmed if students don’t do well on this test and obviously they won’t do well on this test because we’ll be tested on material that we have never learned or haven’t learned in years,” she says. Thursday morning, nine Fairview High students took the science test out of 538 seniors. Friday, 10 students took the social studies test.
If only we could get this kind of non-compliance for vaccine mandates.



- See more at: http://www.cpr.org/news/story/thous...orado-standardized-tests#sthash.dPjjHKu1.dpuf
 

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Parents and teachers are fed up in NJ and ran a 6-week commercial ad on the negative impact of standardized testing.

http://www.njea.org/news/2015/02/17/njea%20ads%20target%20standardized%20tests

“We brought parents and teachers together for two full days of discussion,” said Steinhauer, “and these ads give a glimpse into their concerns with what high-stakes standardized testing is doing to our children, their education, and the very future of public education.”
Polls in NJ showed overwhelming support for:

-Passing a legislated “Bill of Rights” that provides full transparency on the frequency, costs, and impact of high-stakes standardized testing;
-Limiting the number of hours spent on standardized testing, test preparation, and test drilling;
-Requiring testing companies to report their profits and their political contributions;
-Giving parents the right to refuse letting their children take the PARCC (“opt-out”); and
-Delaying any high-stakes decisions based on PARCC tests until their results and impact can be studied.

Whether it's vaccine mandates or rigorous standardized testing/Common Core State Standards, the general underlying theme is the same.
 

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ETA: 7. Some school districts are questioning how "sincere" parents are in their beliefs against the tests. http://optoutoregon.org/2015/03/07/eugene-school-district-doubts-parent-religious-beliefs-are-legit/ I kid you not: Oregon families need to file a "religious exemption" to get their kids out of the tests.
I'm passionate about this too... In some cases, depending how the law is written- it says participation is needed but does not clarify how much. So you have your kid participate to the minimum extent. For a paper test they break the seal but do not answer any questions. For a computer test they log in to the test and then submit it without answering any questions. This way, the test can't be scored.
This sounds easy but this is a lot to put on a kid-especially an 8 year old. Plus, the proctors will encourage and maybe even threaten them to take the test... ugh.. I'm not sure how mine will do but I guess will find out in about a year (hate to have another target on my back:frown:)
Crazy how one side wants vaccines and the other pushes for school tests! Leave the kids alone!
 

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In my state, the standardized testing (ISAT) is a HUGE deal. The kids are all worried and petrified, and the teachers and district leaders are all vying for a "good report" to get funding and get labeled as being a good school and good district.

I am so happy I don't have to deal with that garbage. It's shouldn't be a burden that a student carries for others. If the student works hard, he/she should receive the education and the progress from doing so. If not, they shouldn't. The teachers and districts are pressuring children and that's a horrible learning environment, and proves nothing about how the teachers and district are truly performing.

It's the same trash as vaccine pushing. All for the collectiveness.

Well, it's a good thing that my responsibility to parent my children, educate my children, discipline my children, love my children and keep my children healthy comes from God, and not a school district OR government health officials!

I'm planning on retaining my rights to fully raise my children. The gov't will have to take care of all the other folks that are happy to be dependent upon them!
 

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If only we could get this kind of non-compliance for vaccine mandates.
Are you kidding? If only 19/538 families were fully vaccinated, the National Guard would get called out. Although if we'd see that statistic anywhere, it's Boulder. :lol

Vaccine pushers/rights deniers in Oregon were claiming to the legislative committee that there were schools in the state with a 0% vaccination rate. Just don't ask them which schools. That would require evidence. :rolleyes
 

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I totally agree with everyone that both imply government reach, kids shouldn't have to learn to pass a test, etc.

Does anyone have any links as to why the standardized testing with this new federal program is getting such a backlash? Especially common core. I haven't seen anything good on why. I don't have to deal with this for a few years but would like to be better informed.
 

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I totally agree with everyone that both imply government reach, kids shouldn't have to learn to pass a test, etc.

Does anyone have any links as to why the standardized testing with this new federal program is getting such a backlash? Especially common core. I haven't seen anything good on why. I don't have to deal with this for a few years but would like to be better informed.
Sec. of Ed Arne Duncan blamed the victims with his misogynistic statement about hovercraft mommies.

It's a lot more complex than that. The tests are developmentally inappropriate and sometimes downright gimmicky. The data breaches are heinous, and families lost their privacy protections when the Department of Ed watered down FERPA in 2011. There are product placements in the actual exams. :irked

Above all, classroom time is getting spent teaching kids how to take a test, weighted entirely in math and English, that merely uses children as pawns to assess their schools and don't benefit the children themselves.

Researching Common Core and its standardized tests is a lot like researching vaccines--lots of hysterical and even conspiratorial screaming, mean-spirited bloggers and, of course, condescending, dumbed-down talking points from the gub'ment. It's like researching vaccines because abso-frickin-lutely everything you read about it is one-sided.

For one end of the bias, the official website is corestandards.org Unless you're in TX, MN, VA, or a handful of other states, your state education department should also have plenty to promote it.

My favorite biased sources on the anti side are anything written by Susan Ohanian or Diane Ravitch, as well as truthinamericaneducation.com

Finally, the freebie documentary on commoncoremovie.com is only about 40 minutes long and gives a great overview of the problem. It's called Building the Machine and is also available on Youtube.
 
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Thank you for the talking points. I remember the tests I had as a kid and I don't remember it was too infringing but things change.

I do see the other side of it (and public schools in general). I have dd coming back questioning many of the things I tell her because she hears to opposite in schools.
 

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Propaganda in schools is nothing new in the US. As a kid in the 1950s I remember a film strip about the wonders of nuclear energy, as one example.

But the profit-seeking manipulation of the public sector by corporations is nauseating. The text-book industry went bananas over the common core opportunity, for example.
 

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Propaganda in schools is nothing new in the US. As a kid in the 1950s I remember a film strip about the wonders of nuclear energy, as one example.

But the profit-seeking manipulation of the public sector by corporations is nauseating. The text-book industry went bananas over the common core opportunity, for example.
I agree about the propaganda. I get tired of bloggers getting bogged down in how Common Core is responsible for this or that piece of propaganda. With or without Common Core, we'd see some social engineering of young minds.

I read recently that some school science curricula is going to get infused with pro-vaccine preachiness. Sound like gobs of fun.
 

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Propaganda is alive and well in public education...Common Core only made it worse, and with a more acceptably marketed agenda.

I love and appreciate the documentary "Indoctrination". However, I don't think non-Christians, liberals and socialist leaning folks will...so do with that as you will :) It sums up my own beliefs about public school, very well.
 

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I disagree that it's right-v.-left and that the Left is somehow OK with indoctrination through curriculum. A photo of a student assignment preaching the the virtues of GMOs went viral and infuriated parents on the Left, and the influence of Big Fracker is precipitating similar reactions. http://www.commondreams.org/news/20...g-indoctrination-effort-schools-investigation

Both Left and Right get ticked when the indoctrination targets their own values and complacent or even supportive when it validates their values. The sex ed debate is a prime example of this.

The bottom line is that I oppose school-based attempts at social engineering on most matters. I agree with the Left that pluralism in our society needs to be respected and not interfered with . . . . which leads me to agree with the Right that the family should be the primary instructor and influence for beliefs and values.

Remember that when schools cross the line on vaccines--whether it's preachiness, lying about there being no exemption rights, or publicly disclosing a student's vax status--parents of every end of the political spectrum get upset.
 

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I didn't say it's a right v left issue.

I said the film is geared toward conservatively leaning Christians, therefore people who don't have those views, likely won't enjoy the film, or agree with the "plight" from that perspective.
 

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Gosh, I just read what I had written earlier. It sounds a bit snippy! I apologize! I didn't mean to be snippy...geez, lighten up, lady, LOL!
 

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Kids were never graded at Montessori,and the Iowa test was just a fun way to see what they remembered.

My friends kids in public and eschool have endless testing all year long.Very stressful on top of regular schoolwork/grades.Not the life we want to live...along with those vaccines.
 
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