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I give it 90 days before they decide the science days everyone needs that booster. And then yearly.
That sounds about right. It would undermine the current vaccination effort to say that after 6 months these mRNA vaccines already need a booster. That goes against the narrative of how super effective they are, which I think is part of the reason the FDA and CDC very quickly issued their statement.

However, the data from Israel is problematic. And 90 days brings us to October/November, when one would expect to see an increase in cases of a seasonal virus. If vaccinated individuals start showing up in US hospitals (as they have in Israel) then we may see the CDC jump on Pfizer's bandwagon. However, there will be extra outrage directed at the unvaccinated, as well as praise for Pfizer's tackling of the Delta variant with an excellent, updated booster.
 

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How many parents will jump on this bandwagon?


How many kids will 'lie' about status to avoid peer ridicule?

Could this issue make the bullying issue worse?
 

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How many parents will jump on this bandwagon?


How many kids will 'lie' about status to avoid peer ridicule?

Could this issue make the bullying issue worse?
I think schools will have lists of which student is vaccinated. Then there’s folks who wear masks no matter what (seems to be the local CA craze / my county is 86% ‘vaccinated’ and the vast majority of folks run around masked outside and inside).
Hyacinthe I think you r right. 90 days is too much. Since Pfizer seeks approval for the booster in august they will get there and then. Maybe tacitly for at risk peeps at first only (over 65 or some random cutoff) and then with cases mounting due to the evil unvaccinated by October, for everyone.
 

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well i guess stay tuned for this latest debacle going on in TN

"The halt impacts all outreach to adolescents, including Covid-19 second-dose reminders, HPV reminders and kindergarten vaccination surveys, according the documents circulated within the department obtained by CNN and first reported by The Tennessean."

"Dr. Michelle Fiscus, who says she was fired as the state's medical director of the vaccine-preventable diseases and immunization after an argument over vaccinating children against coronavirus, told CNN she and other health officials have been under pressure as Covid-19 vaccinations have become increasingly politicized."

So basically if a dr speaks against vaccinating kids for Covid, they will be fired from the practice in which they work
 

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We will see


Republicans push to ban "discrimination" against unvaccinated people

''State Republican lawmakers around the country are pushing bills — at least one of which has become law — that would give unvaccinated people the same protections as those surrounding race, gender and religion.
Why it matters: These bills would tie the hands of private businesses that want to protect their employees and customers. But they also show how deep into the political psyche resistance to coronavirus vaccine requirements has become, and how vaccination status has rapidly become a marker of identity.''
 

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I understand that the Norwegian Cruise Lines are suing the State of Florida for its refusal to allow discrimination against the non vaccinated. The penalty is $5000 per request to see a vaccine passport.


That may change as $ talks and says "bye-bye"!

Norwegian Cruise Line ended September with a cash balance of $2.4 billion and total debt of $10.9 billion. ... Norwegian is still burning $150 million to $175 million per month through at least April. The cruise line would burn at least $600 million to $750 million for the first four months of 2021.
Or Norwegian Cruise Lines may decide to find another port-of-call.
 
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Wonder what the outcome is going to be? At least there's a choice for some, not all.

"Additionally, all residents would have to start using a health pass showing proof that they had been vaccinated, had a recent negative test or were recovering from COVID-19 before going to certain public places such as shopping malls, restaurants and planes".

However his treatment of medical workers in outrageous and a violation of the Nuremburg Code
"Macron said earlier this week that all health care workers had to be fully vaccinated by Sept. 15 or would face suspension without pay"


 

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IF children are carriers/spreaders of Delta as claimed, and vaccinated adults are contracting this covid, why are we sending scores of these 'unvaccinated unprotected' children back to school in an environment that could infect the adult personnel of the school, and other entities - bus drivers, coaches, etc...???? Is an elementary school teacher/bus driver shortage going to happen?

Bueller...anyone??
 

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IF children are carriers/spreaders of Delta as claimed, and vaccinated adults are contracting this covid, why are we sending scores of these 'unvaccinated unprotected' children back to school in an environment that could infect the adult personnel of the school, and other entities - bus drivers, coaches, etc...???? Is an elementary school teacher/bus driver shortage going to happen?

Bueller...anyone??
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Well sadly lockdowns and further zoom schooling is already in talks in Europe as well as some school districts in the Bay Area. I won’t be surprised if schools won’t reopen this fall in California because of delta.
 

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Hyacinthe I think you r right. 90 days is too much. Since Pfizer seeks approval for the booster in august they will get there and then. Maybe tacitly for at risk peeps at first only (over 65 or some random cutoff) and then with cases mounting due to the evil unvaccinated by October, for everyone.
Looks like your crystal ball was spot on with the 90 days being too much. Sixty-five and over seems to be the random cutoff, too.

NYT - Biden Officials Now Expect Vulnerable Americans to Need Booster Shots
Senior officials now say they expect that people who are 65 and older or who have compromised immune systems will most likely need a third shot from Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna. That is a sharp shift from just a few weeks ago, when the administration said it thought there was not enough evidence to back boosters yet.
The most recent figures from the Israeli Ministry of Health, released late this week, suggested that Pfizer’s vaccine was just 39 percent effective in preventing infection in that country in late June and early July, compared to 95 percent from January to April.
In another funny bit of prescience, the CDC is quoting this thread's title. From the NYT article:
Dr. Amanda Cohn, the chief medical officer of the C.D.C.’s immunizations division, told an advisory committee to the agency that officials were “actively looking into ways” to provide certain people access to booster shots “earlier than any potential change in regulatory decisions.

“So stay tuned,” she added.
The NYT has a paywall, but this Vox piece summaries it all:
Some Health Officials Now Think a Third Shot Could Help Older and Immunocompromised People
The Biden administration now believes that fully vaccinated people who are older or immunocompromised may need a booster shot.
 

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COVID spreading fast in well-vaccinated California counties
Cases are falling in five counties with below-average vaccination
 

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Yes, but is the fault of the nonvaccinators.
 
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Israel: Protests Against Renewed Covid Restrictions As Cases Hit Highest in Months
Demonstrators in Tel Aviv express anger over reimposed health orders in heavily vaccinated country
The health ministry reported on Saturday that 2,435 new Covid cases had been recorded the day before – the highest number since March... There were 326 hospitalisations, the highest since April...
Israel has in recent days rolled out a booster vaccine shot for older citizens, reimposed mask requirements indoors and restored “green pass” restrictions requiring vaccine certificates for entering enclosed spaces such as gyms, restaurants and hotels.
The rise in infections is a step back after Israel’s world-leading vaccine campaign drove down new Covid-19 cases from 10,000 a day to fewer than 100.
 

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flip flop flip flop
Less than 1% of fully vaccinated people experience a breakthrough Covid-19 infection, analysis finds

that isn't what the provincetown superspreader event said....79% of breakthrough cases were vaccinated

 

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‘It’s Nowhere Near Over’: A Beach Town’s Gust of Freedom, Then a U-turn
Provincetown, Mass., the quirky community at the tip of Cape Cod, thought it was safe to return to prepandemic partying. It wasn’t.
 
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