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the article is about vaccinated who contract covid, and have long haul symptoms.

And some scientists have speculated this is here to stay, like the flu.
Yes. It will stay. The vaccine doesn’t prevent spread and now it doesn’t help with long Covid either. Soooo. What’s the next step? I’m concerned that forever lockdowns will be chosen.
 

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Great quote from Anna Durbin, a vaccines researcher at Johns Hopkins University:
“We cannot keep [boosting] and say: ‘We’re going to prevent colds in everybody,’ ” she said.
The more I learn about all this, the more this statement makes sense to me.

To what end is all this going toward? The virus is clearly just going to continue to evolve just like the flu. We will NEVER be able to catch up to it and close it off completely.

I recall years ago reading about the fight between Bechamp and Pasteur over germ theory. Bechamp's perspective made sense to me. Why does everyone get exposed, but only certain people get sick? Clearly something else is at play. Maybe we should focus more on us and less on putting something into us from an outside source.

Give a person fish or teach a person to fish.
 

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Yes. It will stay. The vaccine doesn’t prevent spread and now it doesn’t help with long Covid either. Soooo. What’s the next step? I’m concerned that forever lockdowns will be chosen.
i say let the disease run its course - without intervention....forever lockdowns are possible, since people in the US seem to be so quick to follow orders by the gov- and other govt's in other countries can impose them and citizens can do nothing about it but protest but that doesn't change the lockdown/mandate imposed by a government.
 

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Why does everyone get exposed, but only certain people get sick? Clearly something else is at play. Maybe we should focus more on us and less on putting something into us from an outside source.
There is a lot to be said for an individual's health and immune response to pathogens. My opinion is that the pandemic has illuminated the major failings of the US healthcare system and our dependance on treating/managing symptoms of chronic diseases (quite profitable) over preventing and curing these diseases and maintaining a healthy, well-nourished population. I just read an article in The Atlantic that asked a lot of questions about why Covid surges and outbreaks often seem to have no rhyme or reason to them. Including why the delta surge has been so much worse in the US than the UK with regard to hospitalizations. The UK had a lower vaccination rate at the start of their delta surge than Florida did at the start of theirs... Basically there's a lot that we just don't know, or fully understand yet.

The article was also rare in that it kept mentioning natural immunity on par with vaccination. This is certainly something that you don't see very often in the American press.
The Messiest Phase of the Pandemic Yet
Coronavirus data have always been incomplete—but the situation in America is particularly murky now.


Per the author, included in the list of "Knowns" about Covid in the US:
2. Even high levels of vaccination in local regions are not enough to prevent the spread of the Delta variant.
Perhaps the most startling example is The Villages, in Florida. Centered on a retirement community, this metropolitan area has close to 90 percent of its over-65 population immunized, yet it has seen a surge of cases and hospitalizations.
3. There is still a lot of randomness to where the worst outbreaks occur.
5. Vaccinated people can be infected with and transmit the virus.
And from her list of "Unknowns":
1. How many people have had COVID-19? That is, how many people have some immunity, from vaccination or prior infection?
2. How well do the vaccines work to prevent infection?
*3. Why have so many more people been hospitalized in the United States than in the United Kingdom?
On June 1, when the Delta wave began to take off in the U.K., approximately 40 percent of its population had been fully vaccinated. The wave ran high—reaching 80 percent of the case peak from the winter—but hospitalizations reached only 15 percent of the winter peak before the wave began to recede.
Florida had a larger share of its population vaccinated at the start of the American Delta wave than the U.K. did when it saw the variant’s exponential rise. Yet, in Florida, the state now has nearly double the number of COVID-19 patients in hospitals than it has ever had during the pandemic.
4. What percentage of infections are we confirming as “cases”?
6. What are the risks of long COVID?

One small study of health-care workers found extended symptoms in some people with breakthrough infections. If the Delta variant really begins to move across the whole country, there will be a lot of breakthrough infections.
 

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There is a lot to be said for an individual's health and immune response to pathogens. My opinion is that the pandemic has illuminated the major failings of the US healthcare system and our dependance on treating/managing symptoms of chronic diseases (quite profitable) over preventing and curing these diseases and maintaining a healthy, well-nourished population. I just read an article in The Atlantic that asked a lot of questions about why Covid surges and outbreaks often seem to have no rhyme or reason to them. Including why the delta surge has been so much worse in the US than the UK with regard to hospitalizations. The UK had a lower vaccination rate at the start of their delta surge than Florida did at the start of theirs... Basically there's a lot that we just don't know, or fully understand yet.

The article was also rare in that it kept mentioning natural immunity on par with vaccination. This is certainly something that you don't see very often in the American press.
The Messiest Phase of the Pandemic Yet
Coronavirus data have always been incomplete—but the situation in America is particularly murky now.


Per the author, included in the list of "Knowns" about Covid in the US:


And from her list of "Unknowns":
We need hospitalization data with age and comorbidities. My hunch is the people were probably more obese and sicker than the UK counterparts. It’s anecdotal but all those horror stories about folks dying - look at the picture and it’s not a normal BMI. This crisis of obesity in the USA is a direct result of big food and big Pharma. Medicine has only been trying to treat symptoms, and not helping with the root cause. Then add that crap food is cheaper than real food Et voila!
 

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We need hospitalization data with age and comorbidities. My hunch is the people were probably more obese and sicker than the UK counterparts. It’s anecdotal but all those horror stories about folks dying - look at the picture and it’s not a normal BMI. This crisis of obesity in the USA is a direct result of big food and big Pharma. Medicine has only been trying to treat symptoms, and not helping with the root cause. Then add that crap food is cheaper than real food Et voila!
That's kinda hard to do


CDC under fire for decision to limit tracking of Covid-19 cases in vaccinated people
 

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I laughed out loud when i saw this-- that idiot said that last winter, too....senile much?????????

The US could enter spring of 2022 with Covid-19 'under control' if enough people get vaccinated, Fauci says
https://www.cnn.com/profiles/madeline-holcombe
 

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A fresh surge of Covid-19 is colliding with an unseasonable epidemic of RSV, and it's landing kids in hospitals across the country.

Which then begs the question - how many kids are being misdiagnosed, as adults are/were????
 

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A fresh surge of Covid-19 is colliding with an unseasonable epidemic of RSV, and it's landing kids in hospitals across the country.

Which then begs the question - how many kids are being misdiagnosed, as adults are/were????
At least they're admitting (albeit buried in the article) that children need to be exposed to germs on a regular basis. Surprised that more doctors aren't making the connection that the rise in pediatric hospitalizations may be because children have also not been exposed to common coronaviruses for the past 18 months. There was much talk last year about how children's routine infections with coronaviruses that cause common cold-like symptoms was what protected them from the severe cases of Covid-19 seen in adult patients. Lots of infectious disease experts argued that "protecting" children from Covid-19, through remote schooling/masking/social distancing/disinfecting, was going to have a detrimental effect on their immune systems.

From the article Emmy526 posted:
"So there's a theory that their immune systems didn't have the normal low-lying, routine level of exposure to the normal routine viruses like rhinovirus, so they weren't able to mount those kind of micro-responses to viruses and keep themselves ticking over,"
"Essentially it was like a bubble child, right? You've had them contained. You've had them quarantined ... and then all of a sudden we released these children. They're often in summer camps and we're even looking at going back to school. So all of a sudden these relatively naive immune systems that have kind of been resting on their laurels for the past 18 months are forced to confront the normal load of viruses and it's just that much harder to fight them."
The same thing happened in New Zealand, which has been in permanent lockdown since the start of the pandemic and pursuing a "Zero Covid" policy..
New Zealand Children Falling Ill in High Numbers Due to Covid ‘Immunity Debt’
Doctors say children haven’t been exposed to range of bugs due to lockdowns, distancing and sanitiser and their immune systems are suffering.
Usually, people experience near-universal exposure to RSV as children, Baker said, with most exposed in their first year of life.
“If you remove that exposure for a period then you will have a bigger cohort of unexposed children, and therefore – as you can see we have happening at the moment – it can sustain a much bigger outbreak when they are eventually exposed to the virus.”
The current outbreak is already stretching New Zealand’s hospitals. At Middlemore hospital in Auckland, a playroom has been converted into a clinical space with 11 special care baby cots. Health boards in Auckland and Canterbury have postponed surgeries to divert resources into children’s wards. A number of hospitals have asked children under 12 not to visit, to try to avoid spreading the virus.
 

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Looks like the US is finally paying attention to at least part of the Israel data.

Biden Weighs Speeding Up Booster-Shot Timeline by 3 Months
President Joe Biden said his administration is considering whether to start booster shots of the coronavirus vaccine as soon as 5 months after people receive a second dose, a move that would accelerate U.S. plans by three months.
Biden made the comments at an Oval Office meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett on Friday...
“We’re going to start mid-September, but we’re considering the advice you’ve given that we should start earlier,” Biden told Bennett with reporters in the room. “And the question raised is: Should it be shorter than eight months? Should it be as little as five months? And that’s being discussed.”
 

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There's a new "new" South African variant, as opposed to the old, new one that was grabbing headlines earlier this year.

What is C.1.2, the New Covid Variant in South Africa, and Should We Be Worried?
The C.1.2 strain has scientists’ attention because it possesses mutations within the genome similar to those seen in variants of interest, like Delta. C.1.2 “has since been detected across the majority of the provinces in South Africa and in seven other countries spanning Africa, Europe, Asia and Oceania”
 

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The cutest letter in the Greek alphabet has to be Mu!

WHO Monitoring New Coronavirus Variant Named Mu
The World Health Organization has added another version of coronavirus to its list of “variants of interest” amid concerns that it may partially evade the immunity people have developed from past infection or vaccination.
The Mu variant, also known as B.1.621, was added to the WHO’s watchlist on 30 August after it was detected in 39 countries and found to possess a cluster of mutations that may make it less susceptible to the immune protection many have acquired.
According to the WHO’s weekly bulletin on the pandemic, the Mu variant “has a constellation of mutations that indicate potential properties of immune escape”.
The Mu variant was first identified in Colombia in January 2021. Beyond South America, cases have been reported in the UK, Europe, the US and Hong Kong. While the variant makes up less than 0.1% of Covid infections globally, it may be gaining ground in Colombia and Ecuador where it accounts for 39% and 13% of Covid cases respectively.
Part of the concern about Mu comes from the particular mutations it carries. One genetic change, the P681H mutation, is found in the Alpha variant first detected in Kent and has been linked to faster transmission. Other mutations, including E484K and K417N, may help the virus evade immunity defences, which could give the variant an advantage over Delta.
 

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This kind of reminds me of Sesame Street. "Today's variant brought to you by the letter Mu!"

Maybe all the variants are a massive conspiracy to educate the world on the Greek alphabet.
I took 3 years of Ancient Greek in college. The alphabet is just the beginning...
 
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Lots of scientists have been saying this for a while, but now we finally get to hear it straight from the horse's mouth.

Moderna Covid-19 booster may come later than Pfizer, Fauci says
"You look at the evidence from the cohorts here in the United States, there's no doubt that there is a diminution in the efficacy of the vaccine against infection, namely symptomatic infection. There's a slight suggestion in a couple of the cohorts that it also is true for a diminution of protection against hospitalization," Dr. Anthony Fauci said Sunday. "However, when you look at the Israeli data, and they are about a month or so ahead of us in every aspect of this... the data from the Israeli studies are that there's a rather substantial diminution in protection against infection and an unquestionable diminution in the protection against hospitalization."
Fauci said ultimately, it may turn out the proper Covid-19 immunization regimen is three doses.
 
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