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Hi, I am new here. This is a great site and I'm really pleased to see such an active sn area to post. My son is 3 and a half and devel delayed and he seems to have processing issues. We dont have a dx yet for him but he gets OT, ST, PT and special ed services. My question is about a behavior he does with walking along walls and stairing at the wall, mostly if there are lines along the wall and walking rather quickly. He does this also with counter tops, or other lined areas that are his head height. He usually does it mostly if he is tired or stressed or there is too much sensory stimulation going on around him. At school they have walked behind him and held their hands against the sides of his eyes to shield his vision and to look ahead (think like a horses eye shield). He doesn't look forward at all when he does this so it's pretty unsafe. He bumps into people and things. He really wants to look at the wall so when they block his vision he doesn't get the impact he wants and moves on to something more appropriate. This is ok at a more controlled area like school but I'm thinking for other public areas like grocery store etc. He can do well in these areas some times. I havn't seen anything about this kind of stimming on other sites or books and we're looking for ideas to help him. We've thought of something he could hold like pics of a train track or something visual like that. My sister had an idea (could work at certain times) of saying something like, "I see you need some time to walk and look at the wall. How about we walk for XX amount of time and then we'll go back to __________ " (whatever it is that he needed a break from). We sort of do this now but making it more concrete and more like a tool to use. Any ideas, suggestions or anyone known of this kind of behavior before?
 

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I know two mamas here, finch and sbgrace, both have autistic sons who loved to stim on edges and lines. I think your sister has a great idea. Can he understand that 'first this, then this' sort of logic?

Oh and welcome to the MDC SN forum, one of the best places on the internet
 

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Welcome!!

Fee, I'm incredibly impressed you noticed/remembered that!

Yep, my spectrum kiddo is a lines guy. He does exactly what you describe in fact. To be honest, I've not found a good re-direct for him. Though if I can give him a table at eye height he might then circle that instead. But I don't think a picture would work with my kid at least. It seems like it has something to do with the visual of moving along the line/edge. Sometimes he'll instead watch something as he moves it along an edge--so something straightish like a block moving along a line or edge at his eye level. Chairs work good for straight edges at eye level that are sort of contained. Maybe you could try that and see. But it seems like the stimulation he gets from moving himself along is different than when he's moving something. Though I've never tried to re-direct him from one to the other. They just seem different.

My child does this a lot more when he's tired, feeling sick, or stressed. So I figure he needs it. Can you just walk with him or in front of him when it is unsafe to make sure he doesn't run over people or walk into walls or other things (all stuff my kid has done many times) or does he want to be alone to do it? I guess we're sort of lucky in that our neighbors have a fence and we have a long, clear hallway in our house. So he's got lots of safe places to do his thing.

I wish I had a great suggestion. We just sort of work around it. It seems like maybe the school could adapt a little too. Just because I suspect our kids need this at times. But at least I can tell you that no, you aren't the only one to see this!
 

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Fee, I'm incredibly impressed you noticed/remembered that!
I remember enough small details about people to scare them sometimes - but I promise I'm not a stalker! Just observant. And I do better with written than spoken, so I remember forum stuff with even more ease.

Ahem, carry on!
 

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Hey mama welcome to the board! I've got a wall, edge, line and general all round visual stimmer here too
My DS had a bruise on the right side of his head (unilateral visual stimmer) for the better part of his second year


When we are going to be going down town or somewhere that I would be concerned about safety we make sure we offer him some type of movement activity for some visual feedback before we go. So if we are going to my MIL who has a beautiful HARD wood table that he cant resist...we will stop at the park on the way there and give him a few pushes in the tire swing. At home we redirect to the mini-trampoline; he still gets some visual feedback and the jumping is organizing for him.

Kind of a long your sisters idea, we have small strips of corrugated cardboard (raised ridges) or some reflective coloured paper the has vertical striping that he keeps in his back pack for times that he cant move around, like in a restaurant. He usually puts them on a table, and stares/slightly wiggles his head. Safe and not particularly disruptive to others.

On the days where nothing but a good edge will do, we have a pair of sunglasses that we put on him, with super thin little strips of scotch tape (at about the angle he would normally tilt his head). The tape is hardly noticeable to others, but it gives him something to focus on. Works like a charm. He can usually still interact with us while still meeting his visual need.

Best of luck mama
 

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I can understand why, in a school setting like walking in the hallways, the teachers would need a method of moving your son safely from place to place, which might mean preventing or shortening his stimming in that way. And your ideas about pictures and straight stuff he could carry with him are also great ideas. My son is a spinner/wheels guy, so he has little toy cars with him at.all.times. just in case the need arises.

I've had absolutely no luck trying to limit Mark's visual stimming other than totally redirecting by leaving the house or breaking out a major attention grabber, like food, or taking a bath.
 

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oh! when i was stressed or bored i used to HAVE TO (now it's a little less intense) look at surface contours and reconstruct in my mind the simplest blade that could create the shapes if they were made out of icing. i bumped into things alot.

i like the idea of suggesting that he look up sometimes and then down. i know it can get dirty but could he be satisfied running his hand along the edges and not looking or feeling the edge of an object and visualizing it. i do that sometimes and it helps.

i keep hoping my son talks more soon. he trips all the time and i've yet to figure out the pattern of things he likes to look at. i think it's between lights an spinny things.
 

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I know this is a shot in the dark, but does anyone here have an update on how this stimming behavior has changed/improved/remained over the years? My 2.4 year old does the same thing, has been doing this since when he was 19 mos old. We've had him evaluated and they've diagnosed him with a regulatory disorder (did not meet criteria for ASD). We are awaiting an OT evaluation but I would love to hear about things I could possibly do to help him.
 

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Hi, I am new here. This is a great site and I'm really pleased to see such an active sn area to post. My son is 3 and a half and devel delayed and he seems to have processing issues. We dont have a dx yet for him but he gets OT, ST, PT and special ed services. My question is about a behavior he does with walking along walls and stairing at the wall, mostly if there are lines along the wall and walking rather quickly. He does this also with counter tops, or other lined areas that are his head height. He usually does it mostly if he is tired or stressed or there is too much sensory stimulation going on around him. At school they have walked behind him and held their hands against the sides of his eyes to shield his vision and to look ahead (think like a horses eye shield). He doesn't look forward at all when he does this so it's pretty unsafe. He bumps into people and things. He really wants to look at the wall so when they block his vision he doesn't get the impact he wants and moves on to something more appropriate. This is ok at a more controlled area like school but I'm thinking for other public areas like grocery store etc. He can do well in these areas some times. I havn't seen anything about this kind of stimming on other sites or books and we're looking for ideas to help him. We've thought of something he could hold like pics of a train track or something visual like that. My sister had an idea (could work at certain times) of saying something like, "I see you need some time to walk and look at the wall. How about we walk for XX amount of time and then we'll go back to __________ " (whatever it is that he needed a break from). We sort of do this now but making it more concrete and more like a tool to use. Any ideas, suggestions or anyone known of this kind of behavior before?
My 21 months old son does the same. He would look at the wall and pacing for long time. Like he's imagination something.
I know this post is about few years ago. Would like to know if your son still doing it. I wonder if my son would keep doing it and at school in the future.
 

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Hi.. i've been searching for a long time for others who are going through the same behaviours with thier children ..my son for example walks back and forth along the edge of the couch staring with the corner of his eyes very focused at it .its like he is looking at one point as he moves. i think he started doing it when he was 15 months old , he is now 21 months and still doing it ill..i know the post is like 9 years old but i hope if you see this can you tell if your children stopped this habit and doing ok or is it a concrete evidence of ASD.
I started stopping him everytime he wants to do it after i heard a dr. Say that we must prevent the child from strenghthening these kind of behaviours while they are still young before it can be a habit that can not be broken because the older the child gets the harder it will be for him to let go ..just like any other humanbeing.
 

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Hi.. i've been searching for a long time for others who are going through the same behaviours with thier children ..my son for example walks back and forth along the edge of the couch staring with the corner of his eyes very focused at it .its like he is looking at one point as he moves. i think he started doing it when he was 15 months old , he is now 21 months and still doing it ill..i know the post is like 9 years old but i hope if you see this can you tell if your children stopped this habit and doing ok or is it a concrete evidence of ASD.
I started stopping him everytime he wants to do it after i heard a dr. Say that we must prevent the child from strenghthening these kind of behaviours while they are still young before it can be a habit that can not be broken because the older the child gets the harder it will be for him to let go ..just like any other humanbeing.
Hi.. i've been searching for a long time for others who are going through the same behaviours with thier children ..my son for example walks back and forth along the edge of the couch staring with the corner of his eyes very focused at it .its like he is looking at one point as he moves. i think he started doing it when he was 15 months old , he is now 21 months and still doing it ill..i know the post is like 9 years old but i hope if you see this can you tell if your children stopped this habit and doing ok or is it a concrete evidence of ASD.
I started stopping him everytime he wants to do it after i heard a dr. Say that we must prevent the child from strenghthening these kind of behaviours while they are still young before it can be a habit that can not be broken because the older the child gets the harder it will be for him to let go ..just like any other humanbeing.
Hi, Sorry I know it's been a while since your post but wanted to ask how your son is doing now? What you mentioned sounds exactly like my 2 year old. He also walks back and forth staring a walls, fencing and most things with lines , also the corner of eye thing you describe he also does.. He has a few other autism like traits like loves moving around in circles and spinning wheels obsessively. He is speech delayed non verbal. He is awaiting an assessment for autism(approx 18 month wait) as health visitor and speech therapist both believe he may be on spectrum.
 

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I would also be very interested to know of any updates in this situation. My son is almost 3, we thought he was developing normally the only issue in the beginning seemed to be just speech delay. At around 2 years old he became very interested in footballs and could shoot and pass in a way that was way beyond his years.
The football then became an obsession and he would play with it for many hours a day. He then started to stop actually playing football and started to instead just spin the ball which led to movements with his hands in front of his eyes. He stopped playing football altogether and took to twisting and turning small objects in front of his eyes (this is still the case ).
For around a year now he goes close to walls using his side vision. This is any walls at all or anything that is on his eye level. Any new room he enters he will walk the perimeter time and time again using his side vision.
I have read about this being connected to the two other senses and this seems to be the case with him. He certainly enjoys these senses being stimulated.
Strangely he is not particularly in danger as he seems to be able to judge very well what is happening in front of him whilst still carrying on with this behaviour. He does not bang into things or cause himself any injuries. He has very good control over his body and has excellent balance etc.
His speech is very delayed in that he doesn’t say one word although he is able to somehow get what he wants by other means. He interacts
well with everybody including his older brothers and seems very happy and engaging. He has a real need to have these senses stimulated though and gets very upset if he is not outdoors very often. 3 times a day to different places usually keeps him happy enough, anything less and he gets upset.
We have had him assessed by a health visitor and have had hearing checks. We have not had eyes checked but we do not think there is anything wrong with his vision.
We are due to visit the speech therapist in the next week. I suspect this will just be another box ticking exercise.
We are concerned as to how all these issues would be dealt with in school, we are worried as to what sort of life he can have In the future and if these behaviours will subside at all.
At the moment we are unable to find any information as to a child who did this when young and what happened later. If anybody has any information that can be any use, please reply.
Thanks

Rob
 

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I know this is a shot in the dark, but does anyone here have an update on how this stimming behavior has changed/improved/remained over the years? My 2.4 year old does the same thing, has been doing this since when he was 19 mos old. We've had him evaluated and they've diagnosed him with a regulatory disorder (did not meet criteria for ASD). We are awaiting an OT evaluation but I would love to hear about things I could possibly do to help him.
Hi, I'm having the same concerns with my 3.5 year old. He seems to have only started walking the 'lines, edges, walls' since a few months ago. His favourite is kitchen counter tops and railings outdoors. Taking him out on my own with my other child (1.5) is an impossible task as he needs my whole attention as the railings are normally by the pedestrian crossings by the road! He has had very bad anxiety since the age of 7 months to the point where he will hysterically cry/scream when we go to someones house (including family members he knows). The older he has got he deals with these situations a lot better by composing himself, still obviously anxious but can walk in holding hands instead of being held (depending where we are walking into) and just comes across shy for the first 5 mins then is completely himself again. He was able to jump from very early on as he was a fairly early walker and he jumped continually on the spot majority of the day whilst watching something that excited him. Again this has stopped however if he gets overwhelmed by visitors he will jump for a short period of time. He loves to pace up and down the room and has done this since he could walk and now paces when running too. He has also developed a fear(?) anxiety at my parents house with my parents who were the next closest people in his life. Their home was like his 2nd home, he would stay there without us and stay over however now that isn't an option due to his behaviour there. He will be glued to me or his dad and it will take him a good hour to warm up but he is still never himself and seems on edge constantly. I know nothing has happened there but maybe he's had a bad dream about them? Or because I've previously left him he doesn't want to go there now? The main concern for us is the visual stimming as it is getting worse by the day causing him to bump into the 'line' due to having to get so close to it. He was a late talker but can communicate now but can't explain why he does 'lines' but he does ask to go in the kitchen to do it with the counter tops. We have seen a pediatrician and she said as long as it doesn't get in the way of his development then let him do it as he may grow out of it. He hasn't had any diagnosis due to not having enough traits and is seeing a speech and language specialist to help with his understanding and using his own agenda. Tbh I feel like we don't have enough support and everyone we have spoken to hasn't really heard of this lines thing. I just want to know an update on how your little ones doing now? Has it got worse/better? Have you figured a way of helping him with it etc. I would really appreciate an update. Thanks.
 

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Hi, I'm having the same concerns with my 3.5 year old. He seems to have only started walking the 'lines, edges, walls' since a few months ago. His favourite is kitchen counter tops and railings outdoors. Taking him out on my own with my other child (1.5) is an impossible task as he needs my whole attention as the railings are normally by the pedestrian crossings by the road! He has had very bad anxiety since the age of 7 months to the point where he will hysterically cry/scream when we go to someones house (including family members he knows). The older he has got he deals with these situations a lot better by composing himself, still obviously anxious but can walk in holding hands instead of being held (depending where we are walking into) and just comes across shy for the first 5 mins then is completely himself again. He was able to jump from very early on as he was a fairly early walker and he jumped continually on the spot majority of the day whilst watching something that excited him. Again this has stopped however if he gets overwhelmed by visitors he will jump for a short period of time. He loves to pace up and down the room and has done this since he could walk and now paces when running too. He has also developed a fear(?) anxiety at my parents house with my parents who were the next closest people in his life. Their home was like his 2nd home, he would stay there without us and stay over however now that isn't an option due to his behaviour there. He will be glued to me or his dad and it will take him a good hour to warm up but he is still never himself and seems on edge constantly. I know nothing has happened there but maybe he's had a bad dream about them? Or because I've previously left him he doesn't want to go there now? The main concern for us is the visual stimming as it is getting worse by the day causing him to bump into the 'line' due to having to get so close to it. He was a late talker but can communicate now but can't explain why he does 'lines' but he does ask to go in the kitchen to do it with the counter tops. We have seen a pediatrician and she said as long as it doesn't get in the way of his development then let him do it as he may grow out of it. He hasn't had any diagnosis due to not having enough traits and is seeing a speech and language specialist to help with his understanding and using his own agenda. Tbh I feel like we don't have enough support and everyone we have spoken to hasn't really heard of this lines thing. I just want to know an update on how your little ones doing now? Has it got worse/better? Have you figured a way of helping him with it etc. I would really appreciate an update. Thanks.
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Hi, I being waiting for an update since I found this forum and unfortunately no updates so far from previous posts. I’m going trough the same with my 2 year old boy, he started at around 22 months and his pediatrician told me almost the same that yours said, that I should not worry, he will outgrow it but after I showed him a short video of my soon walking the lines and edges from around the dinning table he said that if my boy continues the behavior from now to 6 months to give him a call to let him know so he would refer me to a neurologist. I will update this forum with my case hoping to receive a reply or update from other parents how are or went through the same to see if our kids will actually outgrow it or if someone has more information on why this happens.
 

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My 21 months old son does the same. He would look at the wall and pacing for long time. Like he's imagination something.
I know this post is about few years ago. Would like to know if your son still doing it. I wonder if my son would keep doing it and at school in the future.
So did your son continue this behavior since your post?
 

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So did your son continue this behavior since your post?
My son has stopped doing it so obviously and as frequent. He was like a magnet before drawn to any edge/line/fence/railing etc. He couldn't walk past without doing the side eye gaze/visual stimming. He still does it in the car slightly and does a spin side eye gazing occasionally but doesn't do it at all at home or outdoors anymore. This has been the case for the last 2 weeks and it literally stopped overnight. He's 3 years and 8 months and we started noticing the stimming around November 2021. And it became extreme to the point where our days out would be him walking up and down every wall, fence, line he walked passed! I know people have been quite poor with updating on this threat so I do hope this helps.
 

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Hi,

I would also be very interested to know of any updates in this situation. My son is almost 3, we thought he was developing normally the only issue in the beginning seemed to be just speech delay. At around 2 years old he became very interested in footballs and could shoot and pass in a way that was way beyond his years.
The football then became an obsession and he would play with it for many hours a day. He then started to stop actually playing football and started to instead just spin the ball which led to movements with his hands in front of his eyes. He stopped playing football altogether and took to twisting and turning small objects in front of his eyes (this is still the case ).
For around a year now he goes close to walls using his side vision. This is any walls at all or anything that is on his eye level. Any new room he enters he will walk the perimeter time and time again using his side vision.
I have read about this being connected to the two other senses and this seems to be the case with him. He certainly enjoys these senses being stimulated.
Strangely he is not particularly in danger as he seems to be able to judge very well what is happening in front of him whilst still carrying on with this behaviour. He does not bang into things or cause himself any injuries. He has very good control over his body and has excellent balance etc.
His speech is very delayed in that he doesn’t say one word although he is able to somehow get what he wants by other means. He interacts
well with everybody including his older brothers and seems very happy and engaging. He has a real need to have these senses stimulated though and gets very upset if he is not outdoors very often. 3 times a day to different places usually keeps him happy enough, anything less and he gets upset.
We have had him assessed by a health visitor and have had hearing checks. We have not had eyes checked but we do not think there is anything wrong with his vision.
We are due to visit the speech therapist in the next week. I suspect this will just be another box ticking exercise.
We are concerned as to how all these issues would be dealt with in school, we are worried as to what sort of life he can have In the future and if these behaviours will subside at all.
At the moment we are unable to find any information as to a child who did this when young and what happened later. If anybody has any information that can be any use, please reply.
Thanks

Rob
I have a set of twins. There both boys and they do this same behavior, love walking along the walls side glancing, the corners of tables, love walking up and down fences.
You said your kid likes spinning things like the football he would play with for hours. That is considered a restricted interest. The speech delay may not be a delay. Time will tell if he has the ability to speak.
Does he respond to his name after one or two tries?
How is his eye contact?
How does he interact with other children?
If he is at a park does he interact with other kids, mimic there behavior or does he do his own thing, will he have his stimming episodes there while he should be making friends playing.
Answer my questions and yes the frightening word AUTISM could be a possibility but doubtful if his eye contact is good and is responsive to his name , has pretend play, and communicates with you one way or another.
 

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So did your son continue this behavior since your post?
My son has stopped doing it so obviously and as frequent. He was like a magnet before drawn to any edge/line/fence/railing etc. He couldn't walk past without doing the side eye gaze/visual stimming. He still does it in the car slightly and does a spin side eye gazing occasionally but doesn't do it at all at home or outdoors anymore. This has been the case for the last 2 weeks and it literally stopped overnight. He's 3 years and 8 months and we started noticing the stimming around November 2021. And it became extreme to the point where our days out would be him walking up and down every wall, fence, line he walked passed! I know people have been quite poor with updating on this threat so I do hope this helps.
 
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