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curious article...<br><br><a href="http://nytimes.com/2005/05/22/magazine/22OCD.html?8hpib" target="_blank">http://nytimes.com/2005/05/22/magazine/22OCD.html?8hpib</a><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Can You Catch Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder?<br>
By LISA BELKIN<br>
To suffer from obsessive-compulsive disorder, many patients say, is to ''know you are crazy.'' Other forms of psychosis may envelop the sufferers until they inhabit the delusion. Part of the torture of O.C.D. is, as patients describe it, watching as if from the outside as they act out their obsessions -- knowing that they are being irrational, but not being able to stop. They describe thoughts crowding their minds, nattering at them incessantly -- anxious thoughts, sexual thoughts, violent thoughts, sometimes all at the same time. Is the front door locked? Are there germs on my hands? Am I a murderer if I step on an ant? And they describe increasingly elaborate rituals to assuage those thoughts -- checking and rechecking door locks, washing and rewashing hands, walking carefully, slowly and in bizarre patterns to avoid stepping on anything. They feel driven to do things they know make no sense.<br><br>
There are researchers who believe that some of this disturbing cacophony -- specifically a subset found only in children -- is caused by something familiar and common. They call it Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated With Streptococcal Infection, or, because every disease needs an acronym, Pandas. And they are certain it is brought on by strep throat -- or more specifically, by the antibodies created to fight strep throat.<br><br>
If they are right, it is a compelling breakthrough, a map of the link between bacteria and at least one subcategory of mental illness. And if bacteria can cause O.C.D., then an antibiotic might mitigate or prevent it -- a Promised Land of a concept to parents who have watched their children change overnight from exuberant, confident and familiar to doubt-ridden, fear-laden strangers.<br></td>
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I think the antibiotics and the damage they do to the body may have more to do with this than the virus itself.
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>applejuice</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">I think the antibiotics and the damage they do to the body may have more to do with this than the virus itself.</div>
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Strep is caused by a bacteria, not a virus, but you're probably right about the antibiotics screwing things up.<br><br>
I also have to wonder how much impact the artificial colors, flavors, and sweeteners in "bubble gum flavored" antibiotics have on children's behavior. Most pharmacies now offer your choice of about 20 different flavors for medication.
 

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I know one of the local peds who had a dd develop OCD. She tested pos. for strep antibodies and is now participating in some type of study to treat it through NIMH. I don't know more about it, but that was the first I'd heard of such a thing!
 

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Hrmm this is interesting. Does it only occur in children? A friend of mine has OCD but he did not have it in high school. Unless of course he hide it well.
 

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I have read some about this in my abnormal psych class. I think the theory is that the bacteria gets into the gyrus (which is the part of the brain that can overtake rational thought if damaged and typically functions abnormally in OCD people). The question it seems is how do many kids have Strep in their lives and are fine but some get it and the bacteria affects the gyrus? My theory is that these kids are immunocompromised and the bacteria invades this part of the brain- I personally attribute this to vaccinations, poor nutrition, too many antibiotics, and environmental pollution...
 

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<a href="http://intramural.nimh.nih.gov/research/pdn/web.htm" target="_blank">http://intramural.nimh.nih.gov/research/pdn/web.htm</a>
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>LoveChild421</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">The question it seems is how do many kids have Strep in their lives and are fine but some get it and the bacteria affects the gyrus? My theory is that these kids are immunocompromised and the bacteria invades this part of the brain- I personally attribute this to vaccinations, poor nutrition, too many antibiotics, and environmental pollution...</div>
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ITA! I would also add to the list fluoride, excitotoxins like Aspartame ( probably in the antibiotics) and MSG which all breech the blood-brain barrier.
 

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wonder how long it'll be before they develop a "strep" vaccine. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes">
 

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OMG! That is really weird. DH and I both have OCD and both had strep throat. Freakin' weird. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/jaw2.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="jaw2">
 

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And even weirder...I was looking at that website and they mention it being from scarlett fever too...which I also had. And I've had OCD since I was really young. I remember having symptoms of it when I was probably around 6...right after I had scarlett fever. Well geez...that explains a lot. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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When was OCD first described? Does anyone know?<br><br>
Bsasically I mean does it have a long history, like back to Hippocrates time? Or is it something 'modern'?
 

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Apparently at least as early as the 15th century<br><a href="http://www.brainexplorer.org/brain_disorders/Focus_OCD.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.brainexplorer.org/brain_d...ocus_OCD.shtml</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">wonder how long it'll be before they develop a "strep" vaccine. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="rolleyes"></div>
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Already in the works,<br><br><a href="http://www.mndaily.com/daily/2000/12/12/news/new5/" target="_blank">http://www.mndaily.com/daily/2000/12/12/news/new5/</a><br><br><a href="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:uCUA6r9489EJ:chealth.canoe.ca/health_news_detail.asp%3Fchannel_id%3D53%26news_id%3D11351+vaccine+for+strep+throat&hl=en" target="_blank">http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...p+throat&hl=en</a>
 

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<div>Originally Posted by <strong>NightOwl</strong></div>
<div style="font-style:italic;">And even weirder...I was looking at that website and they mention it being from scarlett fever too...which I also had. And I've had OCD since I was really young. I remember having symptoms of it when I was probably around 6...right after I had scarlett fever. Well geez...that explains a lot. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"></div>
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Scarlet Fever is caused by the same bacteria that causes strep throat. Sometimes you get scarlet fever after strep, sometimes not. It isn't really so much of a separate thing.
 
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