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<p> This is not a post about breastfeeding per se, its more about me. I'm nursing my almost 3 year old DD (next month <img alt="love.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/love.gif"> ) and we are going through a hugely stressful time right now. Its been ongoing and its affecting my health. My hair is falling out, I'm not sleeping and I'm starting to have anxiety attacks. I've been supplementing with a B-50 complex but I feel I need to bite the bullet and take something more. I have <a href="http://www.naturalfactors.com/ca/en/products/695/stress-relax-serenity-formula-with-ashwagandha" target="_blank">http://www.naturalfactors.com/ca/en/products/695/stress-relax-serenity-formula-with-ashwagandha</a> but most of the herbs are counter-indicated for nursing(or at least lack studies) </p>
<p> What do you think? I really need <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">something.</span></em></p>
<p> She is almost 3, and only nurses a couple times a day. If she was >1 years old, I wouldn't even think about it. </p>
<p> If you know of something that is more effective and safer that would be nice</p>
<p>(not yoga, exercise or rescue remedy...I honestly don't have time for the first, I get plenty of the second and RR doesn't work on me at all. Actually most homeopathics don't work on me. Hell, I'm not even sure this stuff will work for me <img alt="greensad.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/greensad.gif"> )</p>
 

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<p>You may also benefit from additional Vit D.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/vitamin-d/" target="_blank">http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/vitamin-d/</a></p>
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<p>Those symptoms also sound similar to thyroid disease. Have you been tested?</p>
 

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I agree with tibeca. A friend of mine had similar symptoms a few years ago and it turned out to be her thyroid.
 

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<p>My thyroid has been tested and its actually improved in the past year. I take vitamin D also. My last thyroid test put my TSH at 1.19 (down from 2.9)</p>
<p>*I know that the TSH isn't a good indicator of thyroid function as its been something I have been hounding doctors about for years, but all my tests have come back in range including my T3, T4, RT3, antibodies, etc* </p>
<p> My Vitamin D is up from 39nmol/l to 103nmol/l( thats close to  50ng which is optimal as per vitamindcouncil, though 125nmol/l would be better)</p>
<p> When I get more money I will be getting an iron supplement called EasyIron by Platinum which is a iron bis-glycinate chelate which has been to show to never rise to toxic levels so its very safe. Not a bad price either but I digress. </p>
<p> The stress on the other hand is very real, and like I said; chronic. I have been under a lot of stress for the past 5 years and my adrenals have been shot to hell. </p>
<p> Ah heck, I think I'll just take the serenity formula. I'm tried of feeling like crap. I'm tried of feeling so stressed, so tired, so anxious, so irritable. If I'm going to be dealing with this stress for another 2-3...14 years I might as well feel good while I'm doing it. </p>
<p> Now does anyone know how it might affect my soon-to-be 3 year old?</p>
 

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<p>You could try calling infantrisk - if there are real contraindications that are known, they'd be the people to know them <span><img alt="smile.gif" src="http://files.mothering.com/images/smilies/smile.gif"></span></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.infantrisk.org/" target="_blank">http://www.infantrisk.org/</a></p>
 

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<p>"Some herbs are touted as excellent dietary supplements, particularly because they contain microminerals such as selenium and zinc.  While most herbs are safe in small amounts, there is no quality control mechanism to guarantee the dosage or exact ingredients of herbal dietary supplements.  Because a variety of herbs - including pharmacologically active herbs such as ginkgo, ginseng, kava, and valerian - often are added to dietary supplements, taking them can be risky for breastfeeding mothers.  The danger associated with these herbs is that they can cause side effects if ingested in large quantities over time.  For example, large doses of ginseng can give you a "buzz", and when it is discontinued there is a significant withdrawal - similar to that of caffeine withdrawal.  This is often called "ginseng syndrome."  A good rule of thumb is that a nursing mother should not consume a dietary supplement if it is unlabeled, if ingredients are not measured accurately, or if it contains any pharmologically active substances."</p>
<p>From : <a href="http://www.breastfeeding.com/reading_room/herbs.html" target="_blank">http://www.breastfeeding.com/reading_room/herbs.html</a></p>
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<p>So far I have specifically only found ginseng. Still looking for info about the others.</p>
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<p>Forgive me, I hope this won't be construed as anything more than a parody but</p>
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<p>"Some foods are touted as excellent dietary supplements, particularly because they contain microminerals such as selenium and zinc.  While most foods are safe in small amounts, there is no quality control mechanism to guarantee the dosage or exact ingredients of dietary supplements.  Because a variety of foods - including pharmacologically active herbs such as oregano, coffee, cabbage, and cinnamon - often are added to dietary supplements, taking them can be risky for breastfeeding mothers.  The danger associated with these foods is that they can cause side effects if ingested in large quantities over time.  For example, large doses of coffee can give you a "buzz", and when it is discontinued there is a significant withdrawal - similar to that of cocaine withdrawal.  This is often called "caffeine withdrawal."  A good rule of thumb is that a nursing mother should not consume a dietary supplement if it is unlabeled, if ingredients are not measured accurately, or if it contains any pharmologically active substances."</p>
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<p>Siberian GInseng is not even similar to Korean Ginseng or any the "speedy" Ginsengs, it is in a completely different family of plants.</p>
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<p>PM me I can look up these herbs in a book that compiles the available info.</p>
 

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So far I have specifically only found ginseng. Still looking for info about the others.
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This is where scientific names become so important.  The ginseng in the herbal mixture the OP was considering is <em>Eleutherococcus senticosus,</em> and kellymom was referring to <em>Panax ginseng</em><b>.</b></p>
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<p>I couldn't find anything on the other ingredients either, but it looks like the PP may have a herbal that includes them.  Infantrisk (Hale's new phone line) may have some good info too (or at least say if there is no info on these herbs and breastfeeding.)</p>
 

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<p>(I tried infantrisk and nothing in the formula was covered so I just research by herb)</p>
<p>So, I tried the Serenity formula this morning. Felt very odd. I think it may have dropped my already low blood pressure a little or my blood sugar. Either way, felt better after I ate. </p>
<p> Back to the drawing board.</p>
 

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<p>have you tried some meditative techniques? there are lots of breathing and visualization exercises that can be done in just a couple minutes here and there and can help take the edge off the stress. and it's absolutely safe for breastfeeding. same with 5 min of cardio or going for a short walk outside. some people also do well with scents like lavender in their home, or music. or just making sure you get a few minutes of "Me time" every day to relax. </p>
 

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<p>I wouldn't think twice about it.  Of course I also don't have much faith in stuff like that :)</p>
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<p>Is your stress source likely to change?  </p>
 

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<p>I walk 1/2 hour x2 per day (to work and back) Work is my me time(I really enjoy where I work) </p>
<p> My source of stress may change if my dh finds stable job, but that could take awhile. It has become a little less stressful lately but that could be fleeting and I'm not banking on it.</p>
 
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