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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.<br><br>
The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.<br><br>
"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters</td>
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Doesn't look like they voted on this.
 

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uhhhhh-did anyone here ever say the pledge in college? drunk, stoned, rolling, and tripping though i may have been, i don't ever recall reciting the pledge.
 

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Didn't vote on it bud they did follow the rules of that governing agent. I would argue that the governing agent has too much power if they can do that.<br><br>
Personally I think it's clear that the "under god" statement is inflamatory (and meant to be so) towards non-christians.<br><br>
As far patriotism goes I think it's a good thing. But if they don't want it that's their choice.
 

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I find the entire concept of "pledging allegiance" to be kinda frightening.<br><br>
But in answer to mama g - I don't remember doing it in college. Then again I don't remember doing a lot of things in college.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">But in answer to mama g - I don't remember doing it in college. Then again I don't remember doing a lot of things in college.</div>
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I remember there were a lot of stairs...
 

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I think this is a civil rights issue and I don't think those should be up for popular vote in ANY venue.<br><br>
Good for them. The less of the Pledge the better as far as I'm concerned. I find the concept creepy.
 

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The thing is. The few who don't like the pledge don't have to say it. Were as others like to say it and its their right by law to be able to say it.<br><br>
I don't care about the "under God" part. Thats an entirely different subject imo.<br><br><br>
I actually stayed sane and studied in college....can you believe that<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Good for them. The less of the Pledge the better as far as I'm concerned. I find the concept creepy.</td>
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So you're not for free speech.
 

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I actually stayed sane and studied in college....can you believe that<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"></div>
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but did you say the pledge? when? where? I have never heard of college kids saying the pledge. Maybe at West Point...
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.</td>
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What??? The one thing? Sounds like someone needs a hobby...<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/2whistle.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="2whistle">:
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">So you're not for free speech.</div>
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That statement doesn't make much sense does it? They made a rule that at their own meetings they will not say the pledge. Hmmm.
 

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">but did you say the pledge? when? where? I have never heard of college kids saying the pledge. Maybe at West Point...</td>
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Last time I said the pledge (school wise) was probably in the 6th grade.<br><br>
Other were referring to being "smashed" in college alot in a fun way and I was only replying to that with this quote<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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Yes, its the banning of it that seems extreme. Other students in their perhaps newly found citizenship's, or fervor for America, should be allowed it imo.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">They made a rule that at their own meetings they will not say the pledge. Hmmm.</td>
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No, they made a rule that no one CAN say it. Thats what it sounds like to me anyway.
 

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It's not like they banned it for the whole college. Student trustees decided they're not going to say the PIA at student trustee meetings.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">The move was led by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and government at their school. One student trustee voted against the measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus meetings.</td>
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I think people should be free not to say it. We believe in God but we don't say the pledge because we do not pledge our allegiance to an object, a symbol...kinda a false idol to me. Our religion doesn't mandate we say it or we don't. Its just a personal thing and honestly, its annoying that people look at us suspect when we do not recite it.
 

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I think it is odd that they were saying the Pledge in the first place. How many college meetings begin with the Pledge <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch"><br><br>
I am just happy that it happened in conservative Orange County -- can't blame it on those Bay Area liberals<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/winky.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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Yeah I actually LOL when I read it was OCC, because that area is hardly the bastion of liberalism in CA. BWHAHAHA. Regardless I find it hilarious that we are arguing over the recitation of pledge at a college meeting. What possible reason would they need to recite it there? Do we all go to work and volunteer programs and recite the pledge before we start ? <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/headscratch.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="headscratch">.
 
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