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One of the reasons that I've heard given by several people for why they circumcised their boy is because they have one or more relatives who needed to be circumcised for medical reasons as teenagers or adults. I've also heard that doctors in the US tend to not know how to treat problems that can come up in uncircumcised males and so they just recommend circumcising. I'm looking for some sort of documentation of this...ie studies, anything showing that later-in-life circumcision rates are much lower in other countries, things along those lines.
 

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You could look through the references in Doctors Opposing Circumcision's Gential Integrity Policy Statement. Just do a search and you will find it on thier front page. It has a wonderful set of references.<br><br>
I think it is highly plausible that doctors in the US over use circumcision as a treatment in adult men. They are ignorant (I use that word thoughtfully) for foreskin care and diseases, and all they know is circumcision. And they have no knowledge of the value of foreskin, so it seems a reasonable solution to them.<br><br>
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yeah I heard from a gal who was my supported living service who had a teenage daughter who gave birth but when the carenet mentioned death with circumcision she said No and left him intact.<br><br>
She said that she was at the pedi appt when the doctor told her daughter that they had to pull it back to clean out wrinkles she even said the doctor showed some pictures of what happened when you didn't do that btw she said she had them and would show them to me 'Never Did' I tried to tell her that she was wrong but she wanted to believe a wrong doctor over me!<br><br>
I see many men going in for late circumcision because of foreskin not retracting and hurting during erections but doctors just suggest circumcision saying that's the only treatment but if you look at the UK foreskin treatment site they would say only use circumcision as the last resort after you tried 'manual stretch ( if that didn't work) then manual stretching with steriod cream, then a dorsal slit and then circumcision if the above didn't work!<br><br>
Even one place I can't remember where but it said most men who have true phimosis if they do the manual stretching with the steriod cream it's 95 % effective of Treating /curing true Phimosis.
 

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To these people I always tell them that the ONLY reason to circ an adult is for frostbite, gangrene, malignancy and serious trauma. All of which are very unlikely. Then I tell them that any doctor that performs a circ for other reasons is not educated on the foreskin. I usually give them the nocirc pamphlet that discusses circing after the neonatal period.
 

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I think it's because throughout the history of the civilization, we have seen that the penis can still function, even in its amputated <i>(<span style="text-decoration:underline;">and deteriorated</span>)</i> state. And because it's done for religious reasons (and not for health reason), this just tends to make the world think-- "see? he was (done) as an infant and he's fine". It's ridiculous, because the same illogic <b>(real word?)</b> isn't extended to other body parts. Yes, you could amputate the lower ear lobe, but that doesn't mean it's the first thing thought of during irritation and signs of infection. KWIM?<br><br>
Yes, the human body can function w/ an amputated digit, but it's a very last resort (or entire hand, foot, arm, leg).
 

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I think Greg is right the DOC statement proabably discusses this. I don't think there are any studies that look at that question directly. The best way to address it would be to find information regarding medically necessary circumcision in other parts of the world and that might be tucked away in DOC's statement. IIRC in most of Europe it is estimated at about 1 in 15,000 give or take.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">One of the reasons that I've heard given by several people for why they circumcised their boy is because they have one or more relatives who needed to be circumcised for medical reasons as teenagers or adults.</div>
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Back in my early days of intactivism, I kept running across people who claimed they knew someone who "had to be circumcised." I decided to find out why they were circumcised and asked all of these people for information so I could contact them for a research project. Almost invariably, I got responses like "I've lost contact with them," "It was a friend of my brother's best friend's cousin's uncle's boss," "I don't remember their name," "They live a long way off," (That's OK, I've got a telephone) or "I'm quite sure they don't want to talk about it." In the end, I did manage to find five men and every one of them was electively circumcised and none had medical reasons. Of the five, four of them regretted their decision. The one remaining man was happy but his wife was not happy with their sex life despite being a newly wed. Of The five, two were impotent and a third was well on his way.<br><br><br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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It's not so much that they don't know how to treat these men, its that they just don't use the diagnostic and treatment tools available to them. It is an uncomfortable fact that there are no exclusively male infections or exclusively female infections. They are all the exact same bacteria and fungals and they respond equally well to the same medications regardless of sex. The only reason males get surgery as treatment for these infections is that it is culturally acceptable for males and unacceptable for females.<br><br>
Unfortunately, there are no statistics for how many US men are circumcised later in life because of our disjointed medical care system but we can look to other countries who have national health care systems for guidance. For instance, in Sweden, 6/100,000 men go to the grave without their foreskins, in Norway, its 10/100,000 and in Denmark, its 15/100,000 men. You can find these statistics at <a href="http://www.cirp.org" target="_blank">www.cirp.org</a>. This clearly shows that intact US men get substandard care when it comes to genital issues and that the rate of adolescent and adult circumcision far exceeds the need.<br><br><br>
Frank
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">For instance, in Sweden, 6/100,000 men go to the grave without their foreskins, in Norway, its 10/100,000 and in Denmark, its 15/100,000 men. You can find these statistics at <a href="http://www.cirp.org" target="_blank">www.cirp.org</a>. This clearly shows that intact US men get substandard care when it comes to genital issues and that the rate of adolescent and adult circumcision far exceeds the need.<br><br><br>
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I wasn't able to find these statistics on that site--any chance you have a link?
 
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