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Okay, so after researching about the ultimate safety of rear-facing for children, for as long as possible, I kept coming up with these statistics showing the Swedish keep their children rear-facing for MUCH longer than we do.<br><br>
I wondered, hmmm... are their children just much SMALLER than our US/Canada children? I thought not. So I dug a little deeper. Seems that the carseat manufacturers, Britax, Evenflo, etc. do MAKE carseats with MUCH HIGHER rear-facing weight limits, they just don't market them here or in Canada or the UK!<br><br>
So my question is... has anyone had any luck purchasing a Swedish-made/exported Britax carseat with a 25kg rear-facing weight limit? We're planning on doing this for both of our children, but not sure how to go about it... as we obviously don't live in Sweden nor speak Swedish.<br><br>
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You should post this in family safety.<br><br>
I was under the impression that there is some reason that car seats don't cross countries but I sure can't remember why?
 

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Could it be the same carseat but with different regulations concerning the max weight limit for reatfacing seats than in the US?<br><br>
I'm thinking about US-Canada, I have a Regent which is 40lbs max and the same exact seat in the US is 60lbs max.
 

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US or Canadian DOT must certify the seat for use and sale in the country. In Canada, there is a traffic violation ticket for a parent using a seat that is not approved in this country (ie: does not bear the Approved by Transport Canada sticker), although I would be hard-pressed to issue a ticket to someone who has a quality seat.<br><br>
I would think the cost of shipping from Europe would be prohibitive. Just buy a local-to-you Britax and use it the way you see fit.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">US or Canadian DOT must certify the seat for use and sale in the country. In Canada, there is a traffic violation ticket for a parent using a seat that is not approved in this country (ie: does not bear the Approved by Transport Canada sticker), although I would be hard-pressed to issue a ticket to someone who has a quality seat.<br><br>
I would think the cost of shipping from Europe would be prohibitive. Just buy a local-to-you Britax and use it the way you see fit.</div>
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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hide.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hide">: I'm one of those outlaws with a US Britax...
 

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when i researched this about a year ago, i read that the US would only let you import one if you had a child with physical disabilities who needed to be in a rear-facing seat past toddlerhood.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">when i researched this about a year ago, i read that the US would only let you import one if you had a child with physical disabilities who needed to be in a rear-facing seat past toddlerhood.</div>
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Gosh, that is just so INFURIATING to me! Why would children/parents in the US be sold down to? Meaning, why is it assumed that our standards (meaning US, UK, Canadian parents') would be lower than those in, say, Sweden?!?!<br><br>
I just don't understand WHY if a company CAN make a safer product, they choose NOT to.
 

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But the rating on a Britax for rear-facing is only 35 lbs. My 3 year old is already at/beyond that point.<br><br>
Do you think it is the case that the Britax seat sold in Sweden with a 55lb rear-facing rate is really the same seat that gets a 35lb weight limit here in the US?<br><br>
I think I'm going to write to Britax & find out for sure.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hide.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hide">: I'm one of those outlaws with a US Britax...</div>
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Good for you!! It's ridiculous to me that a country would opt for a lower standard (the US ncluded) when it comes to child safety. And further, I think it would be completely ridiculous if an officer were to issue you a ticket for using what is obviously a high quality child seat.<br><br>
Some laws boggle my mind.
 

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I was going to buy a U.S. carseat because at the time it was much less money. Only to find out that if I were to get into an accident my insurance would not cover my child's injuries if it was from another country.<br>
It might not be the sme in the US. Better check with your insurance Co.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I was going to buy a U.S. carseat because at the time it was much less money. Only to find out that if I were to get into an accident my insurance would not cover my child's injuries if it was from another country.<br>
It might not be the sme in the US. Better check with your insurance Co.</div>
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I'm in the US and have been in a few accidents. Our insurance company has never even thought to ask where our carseats were from, and I've never had an officer ask to look at our seats.....they just check to make sure that the children were using them.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Gosh, that is just so INFURIATING to me! Why would children/parents in the US be sold down to? Meaning, why is it assumed that our standards (meaning US, UK, Canadian parents') would be lower than those in, say, Sweden?!?!<br><br>
I just don't understand WHY if a company CAN make a safer product, they choose NOT to.</div>
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Money. At least once has offered seats that meet higher standards. They're pricey. They don't sell. They pull them from the market.<br><br>
Until the US raises their standards and FORCES better carseats, we're stuck wit what we've got <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">But the rating on a Britax for rear-facing is only 35 lbs. My 3 year old is already at/beyond that point.<br><br>
Do you think it is the case that the Britax seat sold in Sweden with a 55lb rear-facing rate is really the same seat that gets a 35lb weight limit here in the US?<br><br>
I think I'm going to write to Britax & find out for sure.</div>
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No, they're different seats. And the swedish ones probably don't meet US standards.<br><br>
There are some rules that are just different- like I know in most of europe they CAN'T have chest clips.<br><br>
-Angela
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Money. At least once has offered seats that meet higher standards. They're pricey. They don't sell. They pull them from the market.<br><br>
Until the US raises their standards and FORCES better carseats, we're stuck wit what we've got <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/irked.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="irked">:<br><br>
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What would YOU do?<br><br>
I've always tried to be as safe as possible in the car with our kids (I really think in terms of car safety, living in the most densly populated state in the US, money is not an option), and our Evenflo Triumph 5 has now been discontinued & upgraded to a new model with a 35lb rear-facing weight limit.<br><br>
Our choice at this point is to upgrade to that seat or try to import a Britax with the 25kg rear-facing weight limit.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What would YOU do?<br><br>
I've always tried to be as safe as possible in the car with our kids (I really think in terms of car safety, living in the most densly populated state in the US, money is not an option), and our Evenflo Triumph 5 has now been discontinued & upgraded to a new model with a 35lb rear-facing weight limit.<br><br>
Our choice at this point is to upgrade to that seat or try to import a Britax with the 25kg rear-facing weight limit.</div>
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Well if I was concerned with the safest seat, I would never put my child in an evenflo <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shy.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="innocent"> Their non-recall track record infuriates me and scares the pants off of me.<br><br>
I live in Houston. We spend time in the car to go anywhere. There is no useful public transit. My kids start in a companion (I think that the rebound bar is important) Then they go to a boulevard- IMO the safest convertible seat currently on the market. (we have a boulevard in my car and my dad's car- we have a safeguard for dh's car- when we travel we take a boulevard)<br><br>
We turned dd ff in hers at 3.5yrs. (she maxed out the weight)<br><br>
I would consider a seat from elsewhere with a child who was going to max out rf at a year. Probably consider it for 18 months too. If they made it to 2 I would probably (nervously) turn them around. By 3yrs I'm reasonably comfortable with them ff in a good seat that's tethered.<br><br>
Do I gather you're considering it for your 3 yr old? How tall is she- and what does she weigh?<br><br>
Honestly, at 3 I would most likely just buy a good ff seat unless she's significantly below 30lbs.<br><br>
-Angela
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Do I gather you're considering it for your 3 yr old? How tall is she- and what does she weigh?<br><br>
Honestly, at 3 I would most likely just buy a good ff seat unless she's significantly below 30lbs.<br><br>
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Yeah, well we're considering upgrading DS' seat (he's in her old Evenflo Trimph 5, and is currently around 22lbs, 31 in or so).<br><br>
And we're considering switching her back to rear-facing, if we can: she's 35lbs, 40in and currently in the Britax Regeant - which we decided on because it has the highest ff weight limit with a 5 point harness.<br><br>
Just an aside, the Evenflo Triumph 5 - at the time when we bought this seat, in 2004, it was the top rated convertible seat for safety, with the highest rear & front facing weight limits; additionally, we lived in a very different place in the US (very rural - Maine). If you have different safety info now on that seat, I'd be happy to listen!<br><br>
I'm certainly not glad to hear it has had recalls on it; but as far as I understand, the recall on this particular seat haven't reflected safty/crash issues, but rather that the seat cover comes up so kids can get at the foam & potentially eat it (nice).<br><br>
I do prefer the usability of the Britax - it installs faster and adjusts more easily, but I've never been concerned with the Evenflo's safety - please share.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Yeah, well we're considering upgrading DS' seat (he's in her old Evenflo Trimph 5, and is currently around 22lbs, 31 in or so).<br><br>
And we're considering switching her back to rear-facing, if we can: she's 35lbs, 40in and currently in the Britax Regeant - which we decided on because it has the highest ff weight limit with a 5 point harness.<br><br>
Just an aside, the Evenflo Triumph 5 - at the time when we bought this seat, in 2004, it was the top rated convertible seat for safety, with the highest rear & front facing weight limits; additionally, we lived in a very different place in the US (very rural - Maine). If you have different safety info now on that seat, I'd be happy to listen!<br><br>
I'm certainly not glad to hear it has had recalls on it; but as far as I understand, the recall on this particular seat haven't reflected safty/crash issues, but rather that the seat cover comes up so kids can get at the foam & potentially eat it (nice).<br><br>
I do prefer the usability of the Britax - it installs faster and adjusts more easily, but I've never been concerned with the Evenflo's safety - please share.</div>
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I wouldn't bother with it for a 35lb 3 yr old honestly. The money and hassle isn't worth it for the level of additional protection at that point IMO.<br><br>
There ARE no safety testing ratings. Consumer Reports is NOT a good source for carseat info- it's meaningless at best.<br><br>
Evenflo has a track record of refusing to recall seats unless they have PROOF that a child has died. Do a google for Chicago Tribune and carseat to find more information. I don't trust the company and would not trust my child's life to one of their seats unless I had no other option.<br><br>
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my son was 33 lbs at a year-- so i just had to accept the limits and forward face him much, much sooner than i wanted to. but we did wait a few months, and let him gain a tad more before we did it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I wouldn't bother with it for a 35lb 3 yr old honestly. The money and hassle isn't worth it for the level of additional protection at that point IMO.</div>
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Well, I think that's really where my sticking point is.<br>
Studies show that it IS safer for children, older children, and even adults, to ride rear-facing in an accident.<br>
Basically because the seat, instead of the child, takes the majority of the impact.<br><br>
And because those studies exist, and other countries follow those studies, update their requirements based on them, and car seat companies manufacture seats with higher weight limits for rear-facing kids in those countries. The Britax Secura, for example. Its just that THIS country, as you said, thinks parents won't pay the higher price for safer seats,<br><br>
I believe my child would be safer in the Secura seat than in the forward-facing one she's currently in.<br><br>
I guess its just a matter of figuring out how to obtain that seat.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Well, I think that's really where my sticking point is.<br>
Studies show that it IS safer for children, older children, and even adults, to ride rear-facing in an accident.<br>
Basically because the seat, instead of the child, takes the majority of the impact.<br><br>
And because those studies exist, and other countries follow those studies, update their requirements based on them, and car seat companies manufacture seats with higher weight limits for rear-facing kids in those countries. The Britax Secura, for example. Its just that THIS country, as you said, thinks parents won't pay the higher price for safer seats,<br><br>
I believe my child would be safer in the Secura seat than in the forward-facing one she's currently in.<br><br>
I guess its just a matter of figuring out how to obtain that seat.</div>
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The thing is that the other seat probably won't really last you that much longer. It becomes a matter of reducing returns. Pay around $700 and IF it gets here then you buy another year of rf (for example)... not really that much.<br><br>
I would focus on other factors- like driving the safest car possible... etc.<br><br>
Really most countries have more lax laws than the US sadly. What other countries besides Sweden have extended rf seats?<br><br>
Is there perhaps a special needs seat that has a higher rf limit that's available in the US? That might be a slightly more realistic choice.<br><br>
-Angela
 
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