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I don't drink coffee and there's no Starbucks near me and I have no money, so my good deed for the day is going to be to try to get as many OTHER people <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"> as possible to TAKE THE STARBUCKS CHALLENGE!<br><b><br>
Here's what you do:<br><br>
1) Go into Starbucks<br><br>
2) Ask for Fair Trade certified coffee.<br><br>
3) They will likely say it is not brewed. At this point you need to ask if they can French press a cup of it for you.<br><br>
4) Also ask them when they have fair trade coffee scheduled to be the "coffee of the day" next. (Starbucks corporate headquarters boasts that it is the coffee of the day at least once per month. Is it really true?)<br><br>
5) Post your comments on the whole experience at <a href="http://organicconsumers.org/chat/viewtopic.php?t=354" target="_blank">http://organicconsumers.org/chat/viewtopic.php?t=354</a> and, if you'd like, also post the location of where the Starbucks is that you had this experience.<br><span style="font-size:medium;"><br>
According to Starbucks own company policy, Fair Trade coffee is always available at all of their locations upon request.</span><br><br>
See how easy (or difficult) it is to get a cup of Fair Trade coffee at your local Starbucks and post your results at <a href="http://organicconsumers.org/chat/viewtopic.php?t=354" target="_blank">http://organicconsumers.org/chat/viewtopic.php?t=354</a><br><br>
Thanks and have fun!</b>
 

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Sounds like fun. I'll give it try. I always go to a locally owned drive thru esspresso place that's always got organic and fair trade stuff available. I know, we're super lucky here.
 

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hehehehehe I can't wait to get some starbucks GCs int he mail that I'm waiting on. If I walk across the bridge there are 8 starbucks in a once block radius (I work downtown) it could be quite amusing. :LOL
 

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I'm in Starbucks almost every day, sometimes twice! for my boss :LOL You can always get the FT coffee at my local Starbucks, sure, you have to wait for it to be brewed, but that's cause it would taste rank if they left it sitting there for so long. They quite often ask if I want the FT stuff when I go in aswell and i've seen it as the coffee of the day quite often.<br><br>
But then, I live in the UK, maybe it's easier to get over here or something.
 

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It was the "coffee of the day" at my Starbucks in my Target. I was suprised to see it offered!
 

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their new fair trade "estima" is fair-trade-certified and MUCH MUCH better than the old fair trade. i long-ago worked at starbucks and really like their coffee but sometimes go months without going there. dh "eats" his dinner there (three shots in a cup with hot water and he fills it with milk....lukewarm half-price latte) and I drink 90% of the time the "estima." i ned to remember to ASK FOR IT if it is not there <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"> we only purchase the fair-trade by the beans from them...
 

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my favorite local place is al fair trade organic, and cheaper than starbucks. Plus they have comfy sofas, a playroom for the littles, and they know my name!
 

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I would love to boycott starbucks altogether, but the only reason i justify 2.50 for a cup of coffee is when I am falling asleep with the kids in the car, and starbucks has a drive-through <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
i went there yesterday on my sleepy way to the zoo and INSISTED on a fair trade misto. they told me that they did not have fair trade as the brew of the day and I said that I heard it was a new company policy to ALWAYS have fair trade available or to brew it on demand. They said you'll have to wait four minutes. i said fine. i could pull over at the end of the drive-through. then they charged me 3.75 !!! he said it was because he had to charge me for the whole pot <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> i said NO you are SUPPOSED to have fair trade coffee available brewed for anyone. Then I spoke with the assistant manager who said, but ALL of our coffees are fairly traded. I said NO, CERTIFIED fair trade is MUCH different and what your policy states and what i promised myself I would drink from your stores. she gave me all my money back with apologies and brought the drink out four minutes later.<br><br>
it was worth it to INSIST.
 

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Why is Starbucks evil? I mean, I know they're mass-marketed and expensive (though I was just informed that a can of Folgers can run $9, so it looks like coffee, in general, is expensive). But they do manage to distribute fair trade to people who probably wouldn't think to look for it otherwise, they have great benefits for part-time employees, they pay a living wage, and they give a lot of support to NPOs.<br><br>
As far as large corporations go, I'd put them closer to the bottom of the Evil Empire list. There may be something big I'm missing, though.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What if we all participate in the "Don't go to Starbucks Challenge?"</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Why is Starbucks evil? I mean, I know they're mass-marketed and expensive (though I was just informed that a can of Folgers can run $9, so it looks like coffee, in general, is expensive). But they do manage to distribute fair trade to people who probably wouldn't think to look for it otherwise, they have great benefits for part-time employees, they pay a living wage, and they give a lot of support to NPOs.<br><br>
As far as large corporations go, I'd put them closer to the bottom of the Evil Empire list. There may be something big I'm missing, though.</div>
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Where I live they don't pay a living wage. They pay slightly above minimum wage. Hardly a living wage. Starbucks uses the information on how much coffee is sold in a neighborhood to choose where to put their stores. IF a family owned coffee shop is selling coffee, they will put a store across the street and send employees over to the mom/pop shop and hand out coupons for free coffee at starbucks!<br><br>
The reason they are so successful is that they take over the business from smaller coffee shops. It certainly isn't because their coffee is so good or high quality. I promise. Starbucks is like the corporate Walmart of coffee and the quality equivalent of say, Arby's or Sizzler.<br><br>
Perhaps it doesn't seem like a big deal to you or anyone else, but when it's your family's bustling coffee shop that is threatened or doesn't get its lease renewed because Starbucks will pay higher rent and there's a no competition clause, you might think otherwise.
 

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Something to think about re: Starbucks, while they are certainly corporate and do not appreciate local small businesses, they do provide health care to many of their workers (local places rarely do). They also pay the folks picking the beans much better than local standards. Starbucks' massive presence has actually increased the amount all growers get for their coffee (i.e. forced Folgers to give more). A friend from Costa Rica say pickers want to work for Starbucks because of their excellent treatment and standards.<br><br>
It is awesome that you are challenging them to always have fair trade brewed. Keep up the good work, but don't dismiss them wholy.<br><br>
I guess my point is that nothing is black and white, and that Starbucks may be extremely "evil" in some regards, but not others.
 

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If everyone wants to find reasons to make themselves feel better about going there, I'm not going to sit and argue with you. Like I said, when it's your livelihood, it's different.<br><br>
Every evil corporation does some good things. THis is how they keep people justifying their awful practices.<br><br>
Family owned coffee shops could better afford health benefits without starbucks moving in on them constantly.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Family owned coffee shops could better afford health benefits without starbucks moving in on them constantly.</div>
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No, they could afford health insurance for their employees if the healthcare system wasn't a load of c**p. They probably couldn't offer it even when there wasn't a Starbucks in their vicinity.<br>
To further play devils advocate, not b/c I agree or disagree but b/c it makes for interesting conversation, how do the mom and pop shops pay in comparison to Starbucks?<br><br>
I, personally, am pretty indifferent to Starbucks. I don't patronize it for the most part b/c I choose to go to locally-owned coffee shops, which are also on every other corner here.<br><br>
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All mom and pops pay differently. I've known many that paid quite abit more than starbucks and some that paid less. Almost every mom and pop or family owned chain in my area offers some sort of lowered rate benefits package to those who need it. Teenagers who work at coffee shops are usaully covered by their parents and mom and pops (and starbucks) benefit from that.<br><br>
I agree that the health system is a piece of crap in the US, but it is not true that many coffee shops didn't have benefits before starbucks moved in. Some shops I know had to cut hours and benefits when their plans to build a drive in were superceeded by starbucks and city gov't and they lost money, or starbucks moved in across the street, or the same shopping center. Also, for starting coffee shops that were just getting to aplace where they might be able to offer benefits and a starbucks moved in and their business lowered, we will never know.<br><br>
Sustainer, I apologize for derailing your thread.
 

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Not at all! I appreciate the bumps and I'm enjoying the discussion <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 
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