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Our story-- Mancub #4 chipped his R lateral incisor around Halloween. No big deal. We waited and watched it but when it started turning a grayish brown we took him into a ped. dentist. I was NOT happy with the treatment we received at the office (VERY hostile about BFing) nor the recommendation for treatment (to cap ALL his top teeth). Since I am still BF on demand and night nursing, his reasoning is that all the teeth will need work and might as well get it all done in one shot.<br><br>
I sought out a 2nd opinion and although the info I received was not much different (my baby needs some major dental work <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">) the manner in which I got this info was much different and not the least bit hostile. This dentist suggests we fill the cavity on the back of his L lateral incisor (which I didn't even know was present) w/ composite material and do a pulpotomy (if needed) on the R lat incisor that was chipped and build it back up with composite material. This will be done in a hospital under GA, which is another whole issue I am wading through.<br><br>
We are waiting to get insurance pre-approval for all of that. But while I am waiting, I am thinking that this all sounds so aggressive for baby teeth. Kids don't become really aware of their teeth (or lack thereof) until 5-6y when everyone is starting to loose their teeth anyway. My biggest fear is that we will have to have these teeth pulled in the long run for whatever reason. Especially since DS is a big tooth grinder and I am afraid he might grind down his new fillings/caps bringing us right back to square one. Never mind the cost! And my ins is only going to cover $163 of the proposed cost. EEK! Forgive me if this sounds insensitive but I grew up without my lat incisors (They just weren't there. Never came in as a baby nor as an adult) and it wasn't that bad. 2 of my 4 mancubs are apparently missing their laterals...<br><br>
So with that long, convoluted rambling... talk to me mamas (and papas) about your experiences re: pulling the teeth VS major dental work.
 

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In Oct of 04, I was tickling my then 19 mth old son upside down and noticed that the back of his front four top teeth were dark. I was concerned and took him to a Homeopathic dentist who said it was food debri, and I need to brush better. I kept brushing and noticed it wasn't coming off, so in Jan 05 I took him to a second dentist who said that it was an enamel deficiency, and decay was starting to form on those teeth. He recommended me to a pediatric dentist, but also agreed to my waiting it out, and sent me home with ozonated olive oil to make a stab at killing the bad bugs.<br>
Then, in March, his one front tooth was chipped to the gumline with the nerve exposed after a fall.<br>
We took him to a pedatric dentist who wanted to perform a pulpotomy on the chipped tooth, work on the other 3, and perform pulpotomies on his top 1 yr molars as well.<br>
We left the office, and I just couldn't do it. I couldn't put my baby out under GA or expect him to go through all that work in a chair in a papoose.<br>
We went to a cosmetic dentist in WI (8 hrs from us) who performed HealOzone on his front teeth, 1 yr molars, and pulled the tooth that was chipped to the gumline. He applied a Fiji cement on the molars.<br>
Fast forward one year. We probably weren't as diligent as we should have been with brushing and food changes, we did switch to raw milk and took some supplements.<br>
He developed an absess in the other front tooth. We took him to the pediatric dentist who went ahead and gave him oral sedation, and pulled the other three front teeth. He did xrays on his teeth and found the 1 yr molars that initially needed pulpotomies were just fine, which makes me totally believe in HealOzone and remineralization.<br>
Now, I see some spots of decay again. :sigh I can't bring myself to take him to a dentist again. I tried last month, and he cried so hard, the dentist said I would have to take him to a pediatric dentist again. I am trying like heck to remineralize.<br>
Here's what we are doing:<br><br>
Brush morning and night, floss once daily, I bought an ozone machine with an air dryer and he uses water I ozonate to rinse with after brushing (benodine is something else thats supposed to kill the bad bugs), twice a day I coat his teeth with Recaldent and let it sit as best we can for 3 minutes, and I bought the Recaldent chewing gum and give him a few pieces a day (there's some sketchy ingredients in the gum but I only plan on using it for the remineralization period, not long term.)<br><br>
We are giving him CLO and HVB, trace minerals, and I am getting some calc phos 200C homeopathic tablets and going to start making bone broths to give him daily as well.<br><br>
Sorry to go on and on....but this is what we are doing and our experience. I think everyone's situation is different. I do think by keeping the teeth diligently clean, and using some kind of remineralization process, you can at least buy some time before deciding what to do next.<br><br>
How old is your son? I think it's rediculous that the dentist said to work on the teeth cuz he'll have to anyway? WTF!
 

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Thanks Cassandra for sharing your experience.<br><br>
He's (i'm counting on my fingers how many months old he is <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol">) 21mos now.<br><br>
The cavities are past the remineralization (sp?) point on his laterals according to dentist #2. We are trying to remineralize the small spots of his central incisors at this point through diet and supplements.<br><br>
And as for the first dentist... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/bigeyes.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="bigeyes"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nono.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nono"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/disappointed.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="disappointed"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/shake.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="shake"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/banghead.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="banghead"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/img/vbsmilies/smilies/hopmad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hopping mad"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/censored.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="censored"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/Cuss.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="cuss"><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/splat.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="splat"> :ignore doesn't even begin to cover my feelings for that practice.
 

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Where are his laterals? I'm sorry...are they molars or front teeth?<br><br>
Just for the record, my son has been missing his front four teeth for almost a year and he speaks clearly and can eat corn on the cob. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/lol.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="lol"><br><br>
I went back and forth with the pediadentures and still struggle with my decision to NOT get them....but I just want the poor kid left alone! All this dental stuff is just so not normal for little babes to have to go through!<br><br>
I know his chewing might be affected and possibly his speech, but I feel in my gut the more we leave him alone the better off he will be over all. His whole person is much more than a few teeth.
 

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We are giving him CLO and HVB, trace minerals, and I am getting some calc phos 200C homeopathic tablets and going to start making bone broths to give him daily as well.</div>
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What is CLO and HVB?<br><br>
My son is five and has cavities in most of his teeth. He is just starting to have some sensitivity to cold. I didn't know about the homeopathic tables and I would like to learn about CLO and HVB.<br><br>
Thanks!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">What is CLO and HVB?<br><br>
My son is five and has cavities in most of his teeth. He is just starting to have some sensitivity to cold. I didn't know about the homeopathic tables and I would like to learn about CLO and HVB.<br><br>
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Sorry! Cod Liver Oil and High Vitamin Butter <a href="http://www.greenpasture.org" target="_blank">www.greenpasture.org</a><br><br>
I read the calc phos tablets really help them assimilate calcium...I tried it awhile back when we were attempting to remineralize, but not consistantly. I'm gonna try it again.
 

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I am thinking we may wait and have the front four teeth pulled instead of getting them capped. I have heard people say they have had to have their childs teeth pulled after the caps gave them trouble.<br><br>
I have also heard that pulling the teeth is pretty fast in comparison. I am thinking that would be less traumatic for my little one.<br><br>
In August I was ready to let my son be put under GA and have the caps and some fillings done. The more I thot about it the more it scared me to think about doing GA. To me, if you are not worried about GA that would be an option to get all the work done (that you want done).<br><br>
What my plan is now is to try to keep the teeth taken care of the best we can. I bought some remineralizing tooth mousse for the teeth to see if that buys us some time. I am hoping that we don't need to get any work done for a little longer until he is old enough to hopefully have a decent experience at a dentist. I am also trying to find one that I hear good things about and that will be good with working with my little one.<br><br>
It has been 6 months since we were scheduled to have GA and my son is doing well and his teeth are holding up way better than I thot.<br><br>
I still second guess myself and I know others would disagree with me waiting and planning to have his top four teeth pulled. Actually, I wouldn't have imagined doiing this myself until I got scared of GA and also heard of others who have taken their little ones to dentists and have good experiences.
 

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Thanks Cassandra!<br><br>
I just went on a mad search on the web to learn more about butter oil and cod liver oil. I found a very informative article at <a href="http://www.yourreturn.org/Articles/Early_ChildHood_Caries_Cured.htm#HealingToothDecay" target="_blank">http://www.yourreturn.org/Articles/E...lingToothDecay</a> . Some of the info I had heard before, but not all in one place. I feel confident that night nursing is not the cause. AND, I understand that my poor nutrition during my two pregnancies has, in fact, had an ill-effect on my two sons. I also feel hopeful that changing our diets/supplements could make a difference.<br><br>
I plan to print the article to "recruit" my husband. The dietary changes are huge for our family. So we will need to work together.<br><br>
I am very thankful for having found this thread and for the information and inspiration provided here.<br><br>
Thank you!<br>
Kathy<br>
Joshua and Benjamin's Momma
 
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