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hi.
i want to teach my dd music, an instrument. i was thinking about the flute. she is just 2.5 years old, loves music, we are attending a tiny toddler music class since 2 years and she loves it (that´s singing). i would love to follow a suzuki approach and am in fact trying to find a teacher (but that would be violin i guess)

there is a little preschool flute with five wholes (pentatonic) but i am not sure if that is agood idea since she would have to change to the "normal" flute.

i can play the flute but i am not very good at it.

does anyone have advise?
 

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Age 2.5? My advice would be to continue with toddler-type fun classes.

She really is too young to handle a flute -- most orchestral wind instruments aren't started until at LEAST age 8 or so, often even older. They need the muscle strength, hand size, finger independence, and breath control, that doesn't come until they're much older.

I don't know anything about that preschool flute, but it might be a fun option for her. There would be no problem down the line changing to a "normal" flute. They are so different that it would be learning a new instrument -- possibly with a carry-over of a similar embouchure. It would be no different than a young kid learning the recorder then learning the flute later, or learning the ukelele then moving later to guitar, or playing a toy or an Orff xylophone and later learning piano. There will be some skills carried over, but there is absolutely no detriment or confusion or anything.

"Suzuki" is technically a method of instrument instruction and while it is most commonly associated with string instruments, it is applicable to anything. However, you're right in that it will be fairly difficult to find Suzuki teachers for anything other than strings and piano. Of course, part of that could very well be because most other instruments can't be started with preschoolers.

Is the flute something she has expressed interest in, or is it your leaning because you play it a bit yourself? At just 2.5, she probably hasn't been exposed yet to the full range of instruments. I honestly think the best approach would be to keep her in general music classes -- look into things like Kindermusik and Music for Young Children as well as whatever else you can find -- and take her to concerts (many orchestras have concerts geared to young kids), rent videos of Peter and the Wolf or the Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra, fun concert things like that... find some books about music and instruments... and wait for her to express an interest in something.

"Oooh mommy I want to play the TROMBONE!!!" she might say.
Or if she likes the violin, she could start that right away. Maybe she just wants to keep singing -- join a choir. She might choose the piano -- best to wait til age 5 or 6 unless you find a teacher who *specializes* in preschool piano.

But in the meantime, it's more important to just let her explore music in a fun way rather than worry about "learning an instrument" just yet. Have some good-quality "toy" instruments at home to play with -- maracas, a tambourine, a good xylophone, a slide whistle, things like that.

When I was that age, I just had my Fisher-Price xylophone. I can actually *remember* trying to pick out "Doh a deer" on it. I'm not even sure where I learned the song, whether mom had sung it to me or if I'd seen the Sound of Music... But I distinctly remember figuring it out, one note at a time, over the course of days or weeks, recalling what I'd already figured out and trying to add the next bit... And my mom says I was only 2, not older than 3 when I did that.

My first music classes were the regular school classes when I was 6. My only exposure to the piano was goofing around on one when we'd visit my grandmother. At age 8, I finally started piano lessons. I now have a Master's degree in piano and I am a professional musician.

The moral of that? Don't worry about starting lessons NOW, there's lots of time.
If she's keen on something, by all means follow up on it! But don't fret if you can't find something appropriate for her age or if you have to wait a few years before she can start her "favourite" instrument.
Just let her explore and enjoy music and see where it leads!
 

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There are two issues here, I think. One is the choice of instrument, and whether the instrument is suitable for very small children due to size issues. The second is whether she's at the age and stage that's appropriate for structured formal instruction. (By "structured formal" I don't necessarily mean rigid and dogmatic, just that it's teacher-directed and with a particular outcome desired from the child. I'm making a distinction here between this and "structured informal" learning like typical Kindermusik or Music Together classes for this age-group where the aim is exposure and there is no expectation that the child should be gaining mastery of particular skills in a particular sequence.)

On the question of instrument choice, flute is certainly a viable choice for a 4- or 5-year-old working with a Suzuki teacher. There are excellent modified "real flutes" for children of this age and size. (Here's a video of a typical 7- or 8-year-old Suzuki flute student playing a curved head joint flute. He's probably had 2 or 3 years of instruction.) Piano, strings, harp and recorder also work quite well for children in the 4- to 6-year-old range. Violin and piano are most easily adaptable to 2- and 3-year-olds. For us the choice of instrument has been governed mostly by the availability of teachers on particular instruments comfortable with the age-group of my children. We have a pretty darned good cello teacher in our community, for example, but she's not comfortable with kids under 8 or 9. By then my kids already had years of commitment expended on violin +/- piano, so cello has never been a realistically-entertained option. We have a Suzuki recorder teacher in the region, but her personality and teaching style are such that my kids weren't comfortable with her. Fortunately it has been rather simple to nurture enthusiasm for available instruments in my family. Violin, viola and piano are now all passions of my various children.

On the question of readiness for structured formal instruction, I'd argue that it's a very rare 2-year-old or even 3-year-old who is ready. Even with 4-year-olds it's often a big stretch. A creative, gifted teacher can sometimes mix formal and informal instruction up a bit to push the window a little, but there is a built-in tension there most of the time between the demands of the artistic discipline and the autonomy-driven needs of the child. I've been a Suzuki teacher for 15 years and it's been a very rare child who has really delved into the expectations created by formal instruction prior to the age of 4.5. Even my very precocious eldest wasn't ready for formal instruction until just after her 4th birthday. That's not to say it never happens -- my youngest is a very rare combination of precocity, intensity of focus and emotional resilience, and she did successfully start at age 2.75 with the very gentlest of expectations, and with years of "pre-learning" through daily exposure to her older siblings' learning and lesson structure. For most kids, though, I'd say wait until at least the 4th birthday. It's much more likely to "work" and there's nothing lost in waiting -- provided you continue with singing, listening and other forms of informal learning.

Personally I'd stick with unstructured informal learning combined with the structured informal learning (the toddler class) you've got her involved with, for another year or two. In the meantime give some careful thought to the instrumental teaching available in your area for young children, research the various choices and nurture interest in realistically available instruments.

Miranda
 

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thank you so much for your advise, it is so helpfull! i kind of got the idea that i´ll miss the "window of opportunity" with her, but i guess i am totally wrong. i´ll just let her have fun with music i guess for the next couple of years.

maybe i´ll try the flute - the one for the little ones but more like a game to make music together.
 

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Originally Posted by tankgirl73 View Post
When I was that age, I just had my Fisher-Price xylophone. I can actually *remember* trying to pick out "Doh a deer" on it. I'm not even sure where I learned the song, whether mom had sung it to me or if I'd seen the Sound of Music... But I distinctly remember figuring it out, one note at a time, over the course of days or weeks, recalling what I'd already figured out and trying to add the next bit... And my mom says I was only 2, not older than 3 when I did that.
You may want to check out www.funpublishing.com/xylophone.htm, where they have small books with music for playing on an eight note xylophone. Your child may enjoy playing familar tunes.
 

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I think of music at that age much like art. It is a time to just explore and have fun, not formal instruction. Find the joy and just play. A love of learning and freedom to explore is the best teaching method ever.
 

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i think you got some great answers but just a quick note suzuki normally starts as young as 3 and doesn't have to be violin. It can be for violin, viola, cello, bass, piano, flute, recorder, harp, guitar, voice, and organ. they also have somthing on their website called early childhood ed.... I don't know what it is but that might suite your current need.

http://suzukiassociation.org/ should help you locate a teacher near you.
 

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thanks again, folks (i still can´t believe how much help i get on this site and i wonder how mommas survive(d) without it!
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i talked to a suzuki teacher, who was really nice, and we´ll have a go tomorrow. we can´t do the actual suzuki since there are not enough kids around to do it around here


she said we can always postpone if dd is to tiny yet ...

thanks mama shifra i´ll check the site out!
 
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