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Mark just told me a little about Deleware, and now has me on a kick to find information. He is excited because 1/2 of the Fortune 500 companies are located in Deleware and that it is a VERY liberal state.<br><br>
Anything else that an atheist, AP, SAHM would like to know about Deleware?<br><br>
I LOVE that it only has three counties!!!
 

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You definitely want to live "above the canal" (northern delaware above the c&O canal.) I've lived just across the border in PA literally by like 5 minutes growing up. The Newark area is probably most interesting though wilmington is gentrifying. It is not the most liberal place I've ever been - it depends. Since newark is a college town it is better. They may vote democrat, from the working-class labor union, minority, or yuppie supporting gun control kinda perspectives, but you'll have to hunt for AP oriented moms just like anywhere. it's not too bad though (there's a sudbury school in Newark too.) One warning, we always joke about Del. "high gravity zone". Few people who move there manage to leave.<br><br>
there are a lot of large companies there...Gore, MBNA , Chrysler, Dupont etc. (environmentally De.'s pretty damn scary. Filter your water, test it, and test your soil. No joke.) Many tend to hire contractors so permanent positions may be tough...I would apply and interview and get committments bfore moving there. Schools also tend to be very large and mediocre. You are also very close to parts of MD, PA and NJ in easy commuting distance so that's worth checking too.<br><br>
1/2 of companies are ostensibly located there, but just on paper. You can file your incorpation there remotely. You don't have an office. Heck I'm incorporated there. The business laws are very company-friendly so most lawyers advise it. They don't have employees in the state. No sales tax though.
 

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Yeah, what she said, :LOL...seriously, as a loooooooong time FORMER resident of that state, and slower lower at that, I can tell you that DE has beaches, corn, soy, chickens, and that's it for below the canal, but hey, we've got the beach!! Um, can you say *******?!! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nod.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nod">. Nascar is BIG b/c of Dover and well, there's uh the beach! <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="thumbs up"> I've lived above the canal too, and well, the college is nice and I got a nice degree from there and then promptly split. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/wink1.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="wink1"> Nah, it isn't <i>all</i> that bad, but you rarely hear of people moving <i>to</i> Delaware or dela"where", as it is called. No, typically people move far, far away from there, and with godspeed, or else they do the 'DE plan'-born there, raised there, schooled there, work for MBNA, retire there, die there, the end. Did I mention the beach is really nice???? :LOL<br><br>
Oh, jobs are not as key there as it may seem on paper either, and they are, I believe, still the leading state for cancer. Come to PA....here we have jobs, and nice land without chicken farms....ewwwww, don't wanna be downwind of those......<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/nono.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="nono">
 

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I live in Newark. We are happy here. We have found a very alternative learnig environment for our kids known affectionately by the locals as "that hippie school." We have found a *wonderful* Birth Center in Wilmington and I've been able to hook up with some great women and families through them, as well as have a baby there. There is a health food co-op and a popular UU church. And I hear they just build a Trader Joes in Wilmington, though I haven't been yet.<br><br>
One of my favorite things about the area is the large number of easy, low cost, low key cultural things to do with my kids. There is always something to do. The parks and rec. dept. provides a lot also, and there is the beach....The University is nice to live near also. There are concerts and football games and plays and whatnot. And I've taken classes there.<br><br>
There *are* jobs here, actually. I don't know what you guys are looking for though -- but my dh is a programmer and has held 2 jobs here, each for 3 years . Each of them took less than 3 weeks to find and he had other offers. I've always been able to find pt. jobs when we needed extra $$.<br><br>
The biggest drawback to the area is the congestion. Traffic is always bad, no matter where you are going. And the area is not pretty at all, so sitting in the car in an ugly area can get to your sanity.<br><br>
Housing is pricey. Most people who live here are on their way somewhere else. Working a few years and then relocating, or going to school here and moving on. Though there are some die-hard locals.<br><br>
Editting to add another draw-back -- and its a biggy. Seems like everyone who moves here suddenly develops terrible allergies, even people who never had allergies to start with. I think the DE river must be horribly polluted. And our little one has asthma -- which appears to be *way* too common in children around here.<br><br>
What else?
 

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Pottydiva, and mamaduck especially, I hope I have not offended...I was trying to make light in a joking way about the way Delaware really is, esp life below the canal. It is something only someone who was raised there for many years can laugh both along with and at, I guess. Anyway, I was going for along the lines of this joke, emailed to me from another Delawarian-<br><br>
YOU KNOW YOU'RE FROM DELAWARE IF....<br><br>
1. You've never met any celebrities.<br>
2. You know where, what and when the Hummers Parade is held.<br>
3. "Vacation" means going to Rehoboth.<br>
4. You know the best subs come from Capriotti's.<br>
5. You measure distance in minutes.<br>
6. You get a drink of "wooder" from the kitchen "zink."<br>
7. Your school classes were canceled because of 3 snowflakes.<br>
8. The whole state panics because of 3 snowflakes.<br>
9. You've ridden the school bus for 10 minutes each way.<br>
10. You love the beach but hate the tourists.<br>
11. You know about pumpkin-chunking and, and you have your favorite chunker.<br>
12. You know someone who went to school with Randy White.<br>
13. You've eaten scrapple sandwiches.<br>
14. You can identify all the major types of manure by smell (especially chicken)!<br>
15. That if it takes more than an hour to drive to, you're not going.<br>
16. You end your sentences with unnecessary prepositions. Example: Where's my coat at?<br>
17. You actually know what a "slippery" dumpling is.<br>
18. You install security lights on your house and garage and leave both unlocked.<br>
19. You know who Youdee is.<br>
20. You carry jumper cables in your car.<br>
21. Somebody in your family works for the DuPont Company.<br>
22. You only own 3 spices: salt, pepper, and ketchup (for the scrapple).<br>
23. You warsh your car with wooder.<br>
24. BLUE ROCKS, BLUE ROCKS, BLUE ROCKS YEA!!!<br>
25. You think anyone from anywhere but Delaware has an accent.<br>
26. You think the "Apple Scrapple Festival" is perfectly normal, except for all those granola-types running in the 5K race.<br>
27. You think, maybe, just maybe, you might get a white Christmas. Then it rains.<br>
28. The highest point in the state is a rise on the golf course.<br>
29. The state has one hill. You've been sledding on it.<br>
30. You remember WAMS.<br>
31. You know Newark is in New Jersey, but NewARK is in Delaware.<br>
32. You know how to carefully pronounce the name Foulk Road.<br>
33. You talk of Northern Delaware and the entire Eastern Seaboard as "above the canal."<br>
34. You know if another Delawarean is from southern, middle or northern Delaware as soon as they open their mouth.<br>
35. You know the name of every street in Delaware, but have no idea what the route number is.<br>
36. The opening of a Walmart was declared by your mayor as, "The most exciting thing to happen in Western Sussex County in 50 years."<br>
37. When you want to go out for a nice dinner, you have to switch states.<br>
38. You actually get these jokes and forward them to your friends from Delaware.<br>
39. You know atleast one relationship that has ended in divorce from a spouse working at MBNA.<br>
40. You remember when Kirkwood Highway was Capitol Trail.<br>
41. You went to Johnny's for Kielbasa<br>
42. You hung out at the Chuck Wagon on Saturday nights<br>
43. It's the BEACH not the shore!
 

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Phishmama - you didn't offend at all. I've lived here only 7 years, and I didn't recognize every reference on that list -- though some were funny!<br><br>
You know, maybe because I'm further north -- I really don't see this place as ******* or uncivilized in the least. (Or maybe its because I grew up in Elkton and Newark is downright "classy" by comparison!)<br><br>
Anyhow, I don't know how long since you've been to Wilmington. I remember it as awful place to go when I was growing up. BUT -- it has *really* come a loooooong way. Things are looking really good there as they are working development and restoration. Esp. around Trolley Sq. And the waterfront has become quite nice as well with some great resteraunts and the outlet center. Dh would *love* to move into Wilmington and live in an older row-home, but I cannot imagine raising kids in the city.<br><br>
Mostly, we feel comfortable here because of the job market and because there are so many great things to do. And my boys LOVE the Blue Rocks!
 

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Born in MA, moved to TX, and now I've been living here in Delaware since 1990 (gasp). I live in New Castle, which is also "above the canal". There is an older, historic section, which still looks like an old Colonial Town in some parts. Very pretty. There are some great neighborhoods in Newark and in Wilmington. I wish I'd know about them before I moved (I am in bland suburban land).<br><br>
I've been pretty happy here--it isn't very liberal, but not super conservative, either. It is nicely racially mixed, I think--I don't like the idea of my kids growing up in an all-white area. The African-American population is certainly present, and there is a growing number of Hispanics, as well. This was important to us.<br><br>
Not all the public school systems are great, but some are, so you'd want to look around if you plan to go that route. Generally, I've found people of any means send their kids to private or religious schools (we are of little means and DS goes to a public K, though he did attend a private Montessori school and is on the waiting list for that "hippie school") J<br><br>
The main drawback I see is over-development. You won't find it so much in Wilmington or Newark, but in areas like Bear and Middletown, big ol' homes and shopping centers are going up everywhere. It's a shame.<br><br>
A few years ago, the newspaper was trying to come up with a new slogan for the state--my favorite contender was "Delaware: so close to where you'd rather be." It is close to Baltimore (1 hour), DC (2-2 ½ hours), New York (3 hours or so), and Philly (1 hour).<br><br>
No sales tax is quite nice.<br><br>
I'd be happy to answer any questions!<br>
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I really thought I had responded here, sorry ladies <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
Im glad to get some varied opinions about DE, it is really a great help since I cant get to all parts of DE myself, and websites can only do so much.<br><br>
Its a little scary knowing so many people have allergies there, and I am not sure I want to subject my family to that. Ill definitely have to do more research <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile">
 

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I have lived in Delaware all my life, and I CANNOT wait to move far, far, away- hopefully to the pacific northwest. It may just be that I have not met the right people, but I have not found any support for our lifestyle or parenting style. I have never met another cloth diapering mom, or anyone else who has nursed past a year. At my worklplace, I have overheard more than one comment likening extendended bf to child abuse. My coworkers are gung-ho about CIO, spanking, etc. They cannot fathom why I would ever have become a vegeterian. This is just my personal experience, but I feel the constant urge to move to a more liberal, open-minded area where there may be more resources for our family (we visited friends in NH and their natural foods store was like a magical fairlyland for me!). Also, the pollution issue is very scary!<br><br>
I don't mean to say that there are no advantages to living here; all of the things Mamaduck mentioned are true, and I would absolutely recommend living in Newark above all other areas. My time at the University of Delaware (in Newark) was when I most felt accepted.<br><br>
I am planning to join LLL, and if I meet some like-minded people my opinion may change! Sorry this turned into a vent; sometimes I just feel like such a freak!! Anyway, good luck whatever you decide to do.<br><br><img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/hippie.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="hippie">
 

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This is going back, but the allegies anywhere in the midatlantic/delware valley area is similar...large amounts of trees, grasses and weeds, plus rain for mold and extra plant pollen...you get everything. Plus average to poor air quality. You'll find many people on relocation get senstive in a year or two to what's there (red cedar or something in the Pacific NW, and there's something in Austin I've heard people complain about...)<br><br>
I am going to send that list to everyone I know. And I even know a Foulk.
 

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Sorry I never responded...I just saw this thread again since it was bumped. I live in Bear and work in Newport (very close to Wilmington) for a medical billing company. Looking back at my post, I guess it is not I]quite[/I] as bad as I made it sound....That was a very bad day!
 

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I'm a longtime Delawarean. Growing up in PA, right on the DE border, living in ******* as a middleschooler, going to college in Newark, etc.<br><br>
Currently, I am living back just barely inside PA and working in smelly Newark. I've lived in Indiana and on both of FL's coasts.<br><br>
Northern Delaware, while it CAN be progressive, has more than its fair share of traditionalists, too. Indiana's grocery stores had a better organic selection, the Tampa area had fantastic organic grocery stores and Newark can only boast one mediocre, over-priced co-op. (Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate their sheer existence!) The standard grocery stores absolutely stink in their organic offerings.<br><br>
As mentioned several times, DE has the highest per-capita rate of cancer of any state. It is due to two major things, all of the industry in northern DE (Gore, Chevrolet, Daimler-Chrysler pumping out tons & tons of chemicals from their stacks) and southern DE's proximity to the unfortunate wind patterns bringing Washington D.C.'s pollutants up the coast.<br><br>
U of D has two great courses that cover this matter, both of which I have taken: "Viruses, Genes and Cancer" and "Meterology." It's so bad, that as a pilot, you can often see that pollutants from the air. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"><br><br>
Proximity to Phila, NYC, Balt. and D.C. is nice, but I'm not sure it's worth the health risks. Job searching is cut-throat in all markets these days, even unskilled sales jobs, from my understanding.<br><br>
My parents live in ******* and I am always worried for their health. I often wonder if the local pollution is contibuting to my mother's migraines and such, as (despite their frequency here) she never got them when visiting me in other states. I, too, have heard of the much increased rate of asthma in children raised in the area.<br><br>
(Because of all of these reasons, we are only living here temporarily, moving further into PA in a few months.)<br><br>
As for the Delawarean humor......hahahahahahaha!!! I'm passing it along to my friends and mom!<br><br>
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Intherosegarden and mamaduck! You sound right up my alley!!! I'm sure I forgot someone. I would love to meet all of you!!
 

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I lived in Delaware for 2 1/2 years. They were the longest and most depressing years of my life. DH & I could not wait to get out. We moved from Dallas. We thought we would be moving to a liberal area. We were wrong. No, it's not conservative, but I certainly would not call it liberal. I was most surprised by the amount of confederate flag stickers I would see on people's car. I lived in TX for 23 years, I can assure you the Southern pride thing is much bigger in DE. I'm sure this is b/c I lived in Dallas, not in the boonies. It was weird, nonetheless. Also, DE stinks. Literally. There are so many factories that sometimes it just smells. DH & I used to joke that we moved near a fart factory. Also, I was surprised and disappointed by how segregated Wilmington is. Very sad. Racial diversity it does not have! Oh, and the public transit is AWFUL! Also, they just started curbisde recycling about 1 1/2 years ago. It is not mandatory, and you have to pay for it. It's cheap, but how lame is that? I actually did feasability study on recycling in DE and the results were pathetic! Yes, all those fortune 500 companies are there, but what that means is that DE is very business friendly.<br><br>
OK. I feel obligated to point out the good things now. Newark Natural Foods is pretty decent co-op. It's small, but it really does feel like a "real" co-op, not just a store that calls itself that. I have friends that send their children to the hippie school there, and I have a friend that teaches there. That school is great, but it is not cheap. Also, if you are interested in peace work, Pacem en Terrace is a great group. They do some wonderful things for such a small operation.<br><br>
If you have to make it work, I'm sure you can. Just don't set your expectaions too high b/c you are likely to be disappointed. What DH & I learned by living there is that when people try to tell you a place is wonderful b/c it's so close to all of these great cities (D.C. Philly, Baltimore), then you are probably better off living in one of those cities instead.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">I Newark Natural Foods is pretty decent co-op. It's small, but it really does feel like a "real" co-op, not just a store that calls itself that. I have friends that send their children to the hippie school there, and I have a friend that teaches there. That school is great, but it is not cheap. Also, if you are interested in peace work, Pacem en Terrace is a great group. They do some wonderful things for such a small operation.</div>
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I know this is a really old thread, but just wanted to let you know that, sadly, the co-op is working hard to transform itself into a yuppie, upscale store that "calls itself a co-op." <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad"> I worked there for a while before ds was born, and it's so disappointing to me to see the changes that have happened in the last 1.5 years.<br><br>
And for anyone interested in moving here, the long-term health effects lifetime residents of the area suffer would be enough to keep me away. There have been chemical companies here since the beginning, and the water and soil are SO contaminated.
 

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That's too bad about the Co-op. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/greensad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="greensad">
 

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WOW. i lived in newark, DE for 6 years and i never once saw a confederate flag. i even worked down in dover for 2 yrs and never saw one there either. delaware is above the mason dixon line. really making it a northern state.<br><br>
there was some smell in the newark area, especially in the morning but it had nothing to do with toxic or companies, it was acutally mushrooms that grow wild and stunk to high heaven. new jersey is a much stinker state than delaware.<br><br>
maybe not conservative and maybe not liberal, but delaware is great little state. senator joe biden goes door to door during the elections. you can get to phily, NY, the beach, baltimore and DC SOOO easily from any point in DE. the largest milk bank in the country is in DE. housing hasn't become outrageous there yet, and there is no sales tax which is nice <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="http://www.mothering.com/discussions/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="smile"><br><br>
i'd move back there.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You definitely want to live "above the canal" (northern delaware above the c&O canal.) I've lived just across the border in PA literally by like 5 minutes growing up. The Newark area is probably most interesting though wilmington is gentrifying. It is not the most liberal place I've ever been - it depends. Since newark is a college town it is better. They may vote democrat, from the working-class labor union, minority, or yuppie supporting gun control kinda perspectives, but you'll have to hunt for AP oriented moms just like anywhere. it's not too bad though (there's a sudbury school in Newark too.) One warning, we always joke about Del. "high gravity zone". Few people who move there manage to leave.<br><br>
there are a lot of large companies there...Gore, MBNA , Chrysler, Dupont etc. (environmentally De.'s pretty damn scary. Filter your water, test it, and test your soil. No joke.) Many tend to hire contractors so permanent positions may be tough...I would apply and interview and get committments bfore moving there. Schools also tend to be very large and mediocre. You are also very close to parts of MD, PA and NJ in easy commuting distance so that's worth checking too.<br><br>
1/2 of companies are ostensibly located there, but just on paper. You can file your incorpation there remotely. You don't have an office. Heck I'm incorporated there. The business laws are very company-friendly so most lawyers advise it. They don't have employees in the state. No sales tax though.</div>
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i am a native californian, from the san franciso bay area. anyway i joined the USAF and got stationed in Dover. no words can tell you how culture shocked i was. i drank for nearly a year straight, seriously. anyway delaware is an odd state. yet while some parts are "liberal and northen" some are very "conservative and southern". however if you look back at the history of the state it is obvious why.<br><br>
i fully intended to move back to NorCal after i finished out my term in the USAF. however God had other plans. i met and married my husband here - he is a native delawarian. he is a public school teacher and has been teaching for 13yrs. so i didn't want him to teach in Cali b/c of the enormous class sizes and the students. also mama duck said housing here is costly, i am sorry i have to highly disagree. it is SO cheap. indeed it has increased since i moved here 1999; but still extremely affordable. in the bay area in Cali i don't think you can buy land in acres anymore, seriously. lots costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. rent for a two bedroom is about $1,500 or more (not inlcuding utilties). and if you were to buy a house, not new in the bay area expect to drop half of a million dollars. heck even in modesto, that is more rural but with a population of 250,000 for a new house with a yard i will still expect to drop half of a million. not kidding. we have a house(3bdrm, 3bth) with a 1/3 of an acre that is worth 180,000 - that is nothing!<br><br>
at first i hated delaware. but now i have come to love it b/c of my husband. i love the fact i can drive to 3 major cities in less than 2hrs. it's tax free! the beaches! there is one thing that needs major improvement, coffee houses!!!<br><br>
i do believe it is backwards as well. it seems to me a lot of people FF (formula feed), they are not AP, there is still a lot of racism here and not a lot of racial diversity; then again i come from a VERY diverse area of california. dont' even get me started on Nascar, that is the most red-neck "sport". yuck.<br><br>
as for it smelling. go to Tracey, CA - all you smell is cow maneur. go to LA all you smell is smog. i don't think DE smells at all, except for the chix houses.<br><br>
i have to agree about the traffic. but i think the worst traffic is in Dover.understandably you are going to have traffic in Newark area b/c it is close to philly and a large population. but Dover, people are traveling through all the time! its nuts!<br><br>
and the cuisine is so bland and blah. so country and so unhealthy. but you have to remember i am used to juice bars and Fresh Choice. gosh i miss those.<br><br>
i think it is a great place to raise a family b/c of the low crime rate.<br><br>
i am rambling and need to take a shower
 
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